Why We Don't Have Universal Health Care.

[Captain Caveman]

However here in the United States, government run school has produced the highest per capita cost of education in the world and has produced mediocre results at best. I don’t want to risk my health care going down while costs soar.

It's because you don't have legislation on drug prices.

The UK controls medicine costs through a combination of voluntary and statutory schemes, primarily focused on branded medicines. These schemes aim to manage NHS spending on medicines while ensuring patient access to necessary treatments. The current voluntary scheme is the 2024 Voluntary Scheme for Branded Medicines Pricing, Access and Growth (VPAG), which runs until the end of 2028. There is also a statutory scheme in place, regulated by the Branded Health Service Medicines (Costs) Regulations 2018.

Proposed update to the statutory scheme to control the cost of branded health service medicines

The EU and member states have systems in place too -

Making medicines more affordable

One of the objectives of the EU pharmaceutical strategy is to ensure that patients have access to affordable medicines and that health systems remain…

health.ec.europa.eu

 

[Papageorgio]

It's because you don't have legislation on drug prices.

The UK controls medicine costs through a combination of voluntary and statutory schemes, primarily focused on branded medicines. These schemes aim to manage NHS spending on medicines while ensuring patient access to necessary treatments. The current voluntary scheme is the 2024 Voluntary Scheme for Branded Medicines Pricing, Access and Growth (VPAG), which runs until the end of 2028. There is also a statutory scheme in place, regulated by the Branded Health Service Medicines (Costs) Regulations 2018.

Proposed update to the statutory scheme to control the cost of branded health service medicines

The EU and member states have systems in place too -

Making medicines more affordable

One of the objectives of the EU pharmaceutical strategy is to ensure that patients have access to affordable medicines and that health systems remain…

health.ec.europa.eu

It doesn’t matter, time after time we see government step in to improve our lives and time after time our government makes whatever the get involved in, more expensive and lower quality.

My son used to live in London and said his experience with the health care was a lesser quality than the states, so I am not feeling great with your logic.

 

[Captain Caveman]

It doesn’t matter, time after time we see government step in to improve our lives and time after time our government makes whatever the get involved in, more expensive and lower quality.

My son used to live in London and said his experience with the health care was a lesser quality than the states, so I am not feeling great with your logic.

It's not my logic, it's what's going on in the UK and EU.

 

[Papageorgio]

It's not my logic, it's what's going on in the UK and EU.

Again, different countries and different results. American government has never gotten its hands into anything and made it better and cost less. That is a fact and you have given me no reason to be.ieve otherwise.

 

[dblack]

Again, different countries and different results. American government has never gotten its hands into anything and made it better and cost less. That is a fact and you have given me no reason to be.ieve otherwise.

The efficiency argument is irrelevant in my view. I don't want health care to be political football - ie I don't want to depend on politicians for health care. Period.

 

[Papageorgio]

The efficiency argument is irrelevant in my view. I don't want health care to be political football - ie I don't want to depend on politicians for health care. Period.

Yep, it is something I want control of, I am uncomfortable with the government giving me my choices.

 

[Woodznutz]

Can't do it. We are capitalists. It would hurt the bottom line of for profit healthcare.

Instead of squandering hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and trillions of dollars on wasted garbage, our useless politicians could have given us a cheap, socialized healthcare plan; alongside with the standard healthcare we have in America. (The rich don't want socialized healthcare and the average person can't afford the system we have...so we need 2 systems.) People that can't afford America's unaffordable healthcare could get their appendix out before it bursts.

If they need a heart transplant, then go work 3 jobs and save up for 6 years to pay for it. The socialized plan would be for basics to keep it viable. But the American healthcare system is so greedy they don't want to lose a penny and would never accept a 2nd option. Plus, our politicians are absolute nincompoops and could never run a socialized healthcare system anyway.

Do you think the turtle will get your socialized healthcare?

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We need people to take better care of their health.

 

[dblack]

We need people to take better care of their health.

Then we need laws "encouraging" them to better care of their health!

 

[Papageorgio]

Then we need laws "encouraging" them to better care of their health!

We need better education on our health, I like the idea of the FDA banning harmful ingredients in our foods.

 

[dblack]

... I like the idea of the FDA banning harmful ingredients in our foods.

I don't. Deciding what is harmful and what is helpful is largely subjective. Politicians aren't experts on the topic, and they will "delegate" to lobbyists who claim they are - who invariably have ulterior motives. That's how we end up consuming way too much corn syrup.

Government isn't there to tell us how to live.

 

[Papageorgio]

I don't. Deciding what is harmful and what is helpful is largely subjective. Politicians aren't experts on the topic, and they will "delegate" to lobbyists who claim they are - who invariably have ulterior motives. That's how we end up consuming way too much corn syrup.

Government isn't there to tell us how to live.

That’s true, but why do you want laws encouraging better health? It is the same politicians that will delagate to the same lobbyists who have ulterior motives.

 

[dblack]

That’s true, but why do you want laws encouraging better health?

I don't. That was sarcasm. The last thing we need is government telling us how to eat.

 

[Papageorgio]

I don't. That was sarcasm. The last thing we need is government telling us how to eat.

I got that, tough to read post with sarcasm. Like I said my doctor and I have a great relationship, I research what I take in and even though a greasy burger once in awhile is good, I stick to organic, unprocessed foods, I feel much better.

 

[dblack]

I got that, tough to read post with sarcasm.

Yeah. I should learn from experience. Sarcasm is often misinterpreted online.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The efficiency argument is irrelevant in my view. I don't want health care to be political football - ie I don't want to depend on politicians for health care. Period.

You have the Sherman Act (1890), Clayton Act (1914), Robinson-Patman Act (1936), Emergency Price Control Act (1942), State Price Gouging Laws, and the Federal Trade Commission Act (1914).

Why not have one specifically for medicines?

We have state and private healthcare in the UK, choose which one you want to use, or use both, your choice. And if you do pay, it's a tiny fraction what Americans pay.

Your logic. So you or your partner is going to have a baby. Here in the UK, hospital invoice £0. In the US $18,865. In 2022, the US had 22 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births, while the UK had 5.5. I find your logic bizarre. Can you explain, "Political" football??

 

[Papageorgio]

You have the Sherman Act (1890), Clayton Act (1914), Robinson-Patman Act (1936), Emergency Price Control Act (1942), State Price Gouging Laws, and the Federal Trade Commission Act (1914).

Why not have one specifically for medicines?

We have state and private healthcare in the UK, choose which one you want to use, or use both, your choice. And if you do pay, it's a tiny fraction what Americans pay.

Your logic. So you or your partner is going to have a baby. Here in the UK, hospital invoice £0. In the US $18,865. In 2022, the US had 22 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births, while the UK had 5.5. I find your logic bizarre. Can you explain, "Political" football??

What is the average tax rate of Brits?

 

[Captain Caveman]

What is the average tax rate of Brits?

Tax burden is measured by % of GDP.

 

[Papageorgio]

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Tax burden is measured by % of GDP.

Thanks for nothing, I asked what the average tax rate for a Brit, not how it relates to GDP

 

[Captain Caveman]

Thanks for nothing, I asked what the average tax rate for a Brit, not how it relates to GDP

I searched, and that is what the internet threw up. There's no tax burden per person. You have tax on wages, stamp duty, alcohol duty, inheritance tax, VED, vat etc.. It's just all lumped together as the tax burden % of GDP.

You would have to take the GDP of a country, take the tax % of that amount and divide it by the population level at that time. If that's something you want to do, go for it.

 

[Papageorgio]

I searched, and that is what the internet threw up. There's no tax burden per person. You have tax on wages, stamp duty, alcohol duty, inheritance tax, VED, vat etc.. It's just all lumped together as the tax burden % of GDP.

You would have to take the GDP of a country, take the tax % of that amount and divide it by the population level at that time. If that's something you want to do, go for it.

Gotcha, my son there was a tax to own tvs, that is silly.