Why We Don't Have Universal Health Care.

[Woodznutz]

Then we need laws "encouraging" them to better care of their health!

We need a national education program. Of course, the healthcare industry will fight it tooth and nail.

 

[dblack]

You have the Sherman Act (1890), Clayton Act (1914), Robinson-Patman Act (1936), Emergency Price Control Act (1942), State Price Gouging Laws, and the Federal Trade Commission Act (1914).

Why not have one specifically for medicines?

Because doubling down on bad policy isn't helpful. Building a government on the premise that people are hapless idiots that must be controlled isn't helpful.

Your logic. So you or your partner is going to have a baby. Here in the UK, hospital invoice £0. In the US $18,865. In 2022, the US had 22 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births, while the UK had 5.5. I find your logic bizarre.

Which part do you find "bizarre"?

Can you explain, "Political" football??

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Essentially, a "political football" is something for partisans to argue (and fearmonger) about. And we have enough to argue about as it is. One of the biggest reasons our country is so politically divided is that government does far too much to impact the shape of society. So, if you want to live the way you want, it's imperative that you, or people who agree with your values, control government.

If we socialize health care, we'll be bombarded with those who want to use healthcare to control people. Conservatives will be trying to block any health care that "enables" people engaging in behavior they don't approve of (abortions, drug users, homosexuals, mental health, gender-reassignment, etc ...) . Liberals will do the same thing, though they'll have a different list of targets (people who won't immunize their kids, people with eating habits they don't like, etc...). Anything people do that causes health care costs to go up will be a target for state regulation.

We already hear these arguments, and government doesn't control near as much health care a what you're after: "Why should my tax dollars pay for people with a drug habit?", "Why should I have to pay for someone who can't control their eating?" If you get your way, every election will be a referendum on these (and many, many more) topics. I don't want my personal health habits subject to majority rule.

 

[dblack]

We need a national education program.

And who will do the educating? Whose narrative will government push? Which lobbyists will Congress cater to?

 

[Woodznutz]

And who will do the educating?

People who understand human health. No one will be allowed to lobby Congress. No one's freedom need be abridged. Most people have no idea how their own body works. Everyone should have that knowledge. Perhaps we could have physiology courses in high school that focus on health instead of just how our reproductive organs work.

Of course, everything one needs to know about health is available on the internet. The problems is that it is all mixed up with gobbledygook, like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The forces that want to keep us sick are stronger than the forces that want us to be healthy.

 

[dblack]

People who understand human health.

According to whom? Who picks these people?

No one will be allowed to lobby Congress.

LOL - good luck with that. People have a right to talk to their reps.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Gotcha, my son there was a tax to own tvs, that is silly.

Are you OK?

If you don't watch live broadcasts in the UK, you don't need a TV licence.

What does watching TV got to do with healthcare costs?? Have you been drinking?

 

[Papageorgio]

Are you OK?

If you don't watch live broadcasts in the UK, you don't need a TV licence.

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What does watching TV got to do with healthcare costs?? Have you been drinking?

So there is a tax, that’s what I said.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

You know, like all the other developed nations (among others) have. The reason is because of the Insurance industry and the money they can get politicians to take. I say we hang the insurance industry out to dry.

I say we hang all the executive levels of "healthcare" and "healthcare insurance" in this country, along with the politicians that gave them the power to **** us all over and treat us like guinea pigs.

The the people start rising up and dealing with this shit in this country, it will stop.

 

[dblack]

I say we hang all the executive levels of "healthcare" and "healthcare insurance" in this country, along with the politicians that gave them the power to **** us all over and treat us like guinea pigs.

We don't need to hang anybody. Just repeal the laws propping it up and vote out those responsible.

But people have to start voting honestly before that will happen.

 

[Stryder50]

We don't have national health care because too many Americans think it will, wrongly, cost moe, and two that it is a commie plot.

Too many Americans are dumb asses.

Classic reply from deadwood that has never carried it's own weight in society. !!!

 

[Stryder50]

I say we hang all the executive levels of "healthcare" and "healthcare insurance" in this country, along with the politicians that gave them the power to **** us all over and treat us like guinea pigs.

The the people start rising up and dealing with this shit in this country, it will stop.

You really want people who may not be fully qualified and forced to provide "medical care" to treat you and others ???
Have you really thought this through or are you as dumb as you appear ??? !!!

So many here are idiots on this "get everything for free" GREED kick that lacks brains and common sense.

 

[Mashmont]

You know, like all the other developed nations (among others) have. The reason is because of the Insurance industry and the money they can get politicians to take. I say we hang the insurance industry out to dry.

"Why can't we be like all the other inferior nations?"

 

[Captain Caveman]

So there is a tax, that’s what I said.

It's not a tax. If you want to call it a tax, you can do and be wrong at the same time.

Do you need a fishing licence is some states? So there is a tax.

Have you hit your head??

 

[Captain Caveman]

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Classic reply from deadwood that has never carried it's own weight in society. !!!

You are talking about yourself, wage worker.

 

[DGS49]

Congress lacks the Article I power to get into the healthcare business, except for the Armed Forces and Veterans. Socialized medicine would require a Constitutional Amendment, and there is no national demand for it that could create the super-majorities to pass such an Amendment.

But, you say, there is no Article I power to create a compulsory retirement pension system (i.e., Social Security) either, and Congress did that.

Congress got past that hurdle with SS through a compliant court and the fiction of a "trust fund" to pay for the pensions. This is why SS benefits can NEVER be paid for using Federal tax revenues, but must be paid for by the "payroll tax" (FICA). A similar strategy could pay for socialized medicine, but that would require ANOTHER payroll tax, on top of the FICA, and such taxes cannot be graduated, so it would impact The Poor most of all, which Democrats would NEVER countenance.

But on a more practical note, our entire healthcare industry has been created and evolved based on the current paradigm. Doctors live with it, hospitals live with it, clinics and labs live with it. Pharma companies live with it. Health insurers live with it. And you think it would be possible to revamp it thoroughly - ONE SIXTH OF THE U.S. ECONOMY - and have it run by THE GOVERNMENT???? The same institution that runs the USPS, the VA, and Amtrak???????

You would let them handle your healthcare?

Most Americans have healthcare that is more than satisfactory, paid for at a cost that is tolerable. While some people suffer - bankruptcies related to health costs are disturbingly common - a majority of Americans are OK. Only Bernie Sanders voters want socialized medicine, and even they won't describe it thus, knowing that the true terminology is abhorrent to Americans.

Now do you understand why the U.S. doesn't have socialized medicine?

 

[Woodznutz]

According to whom? Who picks these people?

LOL - good luck with that. People have a right to talk to their reps.

People sure, paid lobbyists for big pharma and the healthcare industry no. That's inviting the fox into the henhouse.

 

[Papageorgio]

It's not a tax. If you want to call it a tax, you can do and be wrong at the same time.

Do you need a fishing licence is some states? So there is a tax.

Have you hit your head??

It fits the definition of a tax, it is charged by the government to provide funding for the government for infrastructure.

Your last comment is derogatory and intended to degrade me as a poster is quite infantile and unnecessary.

 

[PeterPilot]

We need a national education program. Of course, the healthcare industry will fight it tooth and nail.

We already have a national education program. It's called Mainstream Media. It pushes all sorts of lies and disinformation. Pharma is its largest single advertiser, and Zionists have a pretty big say in what is published and what is suppressed.

 

[Woodznutz]

Congress lacks the Article I power to get into the healthcare business, except for the Armed Forces and Veterans. Socialized medicine would require a Constitutional Amendment, and there is no national demand for it that could create the super-majorities to pass such an Amendment.

But, you say, there is no Article I power to create a compulsory retirement pension system (i.e., Social Security) either, and Congress did that.

Congress got past that hurdle with SS through a compliant court and the fiction of a "trust fund" to pay for the pensions. This is why SS benefits can NEVER be paid for using Federal tax revenues, but must be paid for by the "payroll tax" (FICA). A similar strategy could pay for socialized medicine, but that would require ANOTHER payroll tax, on top of the FICA, and such taxes cannot be graduated, so it would impact The Poor most of all, which Democrats would NEVER countenance.

But on a more practical note, our entire healthcare industry has been created and evolved based on the current paradigm. Doctors live with it, hospitals live with it, clinics and labs live with it. Pharma companies live with it. Health insurers live with it. And you think it would be possible to revamp it thoroughly - ONE SIXTH OF THE U.S. ECONOMY - and have it run by THE GOVERNMENT???? The same institution that runs the USPS, the VA, and Amtrak???????

You would let them handle your healthcare?

Most Americans have healthcare that is more than satisfactory, paid for at a cost that is tolerable. While some people suffer - bankruptcies related to health costs are disturbingly common - a majority of Americans are OK. Only Bernie Sanders voters want socialized medicine, and even they won't describe it thus, knowing that the true terminology is abhorrent to Americans.

Now do you understand why the U.S. doesn't have socialized medicine?

All the above problems begin with poor lifestyle choices.