Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

[IM2]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

So basically you want a check in the mail every month being black?

Nope. We are owed for human rights violations committed against us by whites.

 

[IM2]

I don't need to make progress. I'm not a racist.

Psychosis.

 

[IM2]

[QUOTE="IM2, post: 19649164, member: 53913"Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism
Ask the Blacks who are the biggest racists and see skin color as the center of every issue.
Ask the Democratic Party which keeps them triggered as a victimized voting block for the Left though the Democratic Party has never done anything historically but hurt them.

Wrong.

 

[Two Thumbs]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

 

[IM2]

when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

Bill me.

Don't worry you'll be billed ad when you are required to pay up, you will wish you had paid reparations.

 

[IM2]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

Sorry bud that excuse won't work. You didn't knw anyone who travelled the trail of tears or served in the US military at that time but you pay their descendants every year. We aren't owed just because we are black, to believe that is what's childish.

 

[Two Thumbs]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

Sorry bud that excuse won't work. You didn't knw anyone who travelled the trail of tears or served in the US military at that time but you pay their descendants every year. We aren't owed just because we are black, to believe that is what's childish.

look, you're a moron, we get it, you're slight grasp of reality is very very clear.


I don't pay anyone jack for anything I didn't do.
I don't owe you anything.
you are not owed anything.


my family wasn't even here, so even if you get your dream, how are you going to stick it to just the peoples whose families were here?

or is it just every white persons fault?

 

[IM2]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

Sorry bud that excuse won't work. You didn't knw anyone who travelled the trail of tears or served in the US military at that time but you pay their descendants every year. We aren't owed just because we are black, to believe that is what's childish.

look, you're a moron, we get it, you're slight grasp of reality is very very clear.


I don't pay anyone jack for anything I didn't do.
I don't owe you anything.
you are not owed anything.


my family wasn't even here, so even if you get your dream, how are you going to stick it to just the peoples whose families were here?

or is it just every white persons fault?

Yes you are paying various native American tribes for things that happened here before you were born, before you say your family got here and all the excuses you have just used. Reparations are owed by local, state and the federal government created human rights violations through law and policy against blacks.but you are dumb and you think people are just coming to you asking for your dollar.

 

[Two Thumbs]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

Sorry bud that excuse won't work. You didn't knw anyone who travelled the trail of tears or served in the US military at that time but you pay their descendants every year. We aren't owed just because we are black, to believe that is what's childish.

look, you're a moron, we get it, you're slight grasp of reality is very very clear.


I don't pay anyone jack for anything I didn't do.
I don't owe you anything.
you are not owed anything.


my family wasn't even here, so even if you get your dream, how are you going to stick it to just the peoples whose families were here?

or is it just every white persons fault?

Yes you are paying various native American tribes for things that happened here before you were born, before you say your family got here and all the excuses you have just used. Reparations are owed by local, state and the federal government created human rights violations through law and policy against blacks.but you are dumb and you think people are just coming to you asking for your dollar.

so you are going to be paying reparations as well.

 

[sparky]

Subjugation is a human condition, historically we LOVE a leg up on the other guy, doesn't matter who it is.

So the hindsight blame game is really worthless ,.save for some guilt complex

have a good cry & get over it

But this day and age need not focus on ethnicity , in fact that's the grand facade and diversion to who and what really has society under their thumb

I've read a few of you who're savvy enough to see it

I'll even add they love the fact ethic tribulation exists for them to hide behind


~S~

 

[fncceo]

when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

Bill me.

Don't worry you'll be billed ad when you are required to pay up, you will wish you had paid reparations.

Yea ... good luck with that.

 

[gipper]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.

Yet another racist hateful thread from our leading forum racist.

Yeah...Winnie Mandela...how many white people have you necklaced today?

The truth is not hate. But you are dumb so this is expected.

So gippy why do you ask about Winnie ,Mandela? How about the Afrikaners who killed blacks for over 100 years?

Because I suspect if you had the power, you would happily necklace me and others you find unacceptable.

What does that make you?

 

[joaquinmiller]

The current occupant of the WH is clearly a barrier to progress.

The previous denizen of the White House did more to damage race relations in this country than 100 President Trumps.

We haven't lived in such a racial charged environment since the late '60s.

Yes, of course, it's always the fault of the black guy, or what is whiteness for?

 

[IM2]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.

Yet another racist hateful thread from our leading forum racist.

Yeah...Winnie Mandela...how many white people have you necklaced today?

The truth is not hate. But you are dumb so this is expected.

So gippy why do you ask about Winnie ,Mandela? How about the Afrikaners who killed blacks for over 100 years?

Because I suspect if you had the power, you would happily necklace me and others you find unacceptable.

What does that make you?

You might want to stop suspecting. The Afrikaners she necklaced were slaughtering blacks. So while you choose to miss that reality to suppose things, I should understand that you can't do any better because you are dumb.

 

[IM2]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

Sorry bud that excuse won't work. You didn't knw anyone who travelled the trail of tears or served in the US military at that time but you pay their descendants every year. We aren't owed just because we are black, to believe that is what's childish.

look, you're a moron, we get it, you're slight grasp of reality is very very clear.


I don't pay anyone jack for anything I didn't do.
I don't owe you anything.
you are not owed anything.


my family wasn't even here, so even if you get your dream, how are you going to stick it to just the peoples whose families were here?

or is it just every white persons fault?

Yes you are paying various native American tribes for things that happened here before you were born, before you say your family got here and all the excuses you have just used. Reparations are owed by local, state and the federal government created human rights violations through law and policy against blacks.but you are dumb and you think people are just coming to you asking for your dollar.

so you are going to be paying reparations as well.

No. But you are dumb so its fine for blacks to get mistreated while others get reparations for things that happened you had nothing to do with because you think we are just asking for the money because we are black..

 

[IM2]

The current occupant of the WH is clearly a barrier to progress.

The previous denizen of the White House did more to damage race relations in this country than 100 President Trumps.

We haven't lived in such a racial charged environment since the late '60s.

Spoken like a true dumb white who apparently never had to face the continuing white racism in the 70's, 80's and 90's so just because whites were mad that a black man was president the racial atmosphere was charged because the only thing that counts to them is how they feel but no one else.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

LOL, maybe because Asian Indians since the 1970's became the #1 earners in the U.S.A despite their dark skin color, but African Americans have in general stood in neutral.

Don't blame us for being perceptive, and logical.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

I didn't apologize. I never owned a slave.

There will never be one thin dime of reparations in either of our lifetimes.

Like I said slavery was not the only issue and you are watching white America crumble in your faces because you have chosen to break a spiritual law that says if you have slaves pay them after 7 years. Not only have you whites not done it, you gloat about how you won't. So I'll just sit and watch white land crumble without remorse just like you guys have refused to pay us the money you owe us without remorse. The laws you guys have broke are required to be followed. There is no negotiating the fine levied if you don't. So I will be getting my retirement checks direct deposited and watch the misery white racists will endure as you pay the fine. And in the end, you will be apologizing.

That's a pretty threatening, and hostile comment from you directed towards White people

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

So basically you want a check in the mail every month being black?

Nope. We are owed for human rights violations committed against us by whites.

So, my Polish family who came to the U.S.A in the 20th century owe you for what happened before the 19th century Civil War?

 

[gipper]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.

Yet another racist hateful thread from our leading forum racist.

Yeah...Winnie Mandela...how many white people have you necklaced today?

The truth is not hate. But you are dumb so this is expected.

So gippy why do you ask about Winnie ,Mandela? How about the Afrikaners who killed blacks for over 100 years?

Because I suspect if you had the power, you would happily necklace me and others you find unacceptable.

What does that make you?

You might want to stop suspecting. The Afrikaners she necklaced were slaughtering blacks. So while you choose to miss that reality to suppose things, I should understand that you can't do any better because you are dumb.

Yeah...she was all about peace and justice in your small mind. CRAZY!

Have you ever wondered why her husband dumped her crazy ass?