Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

[harmonica]

easy to answer--blacks do not acknowledge or accept the truth --just like you IM2
...as Dr Phil says--you can't fix a problem when you don't acknowledge/accept that there is a problem

just like other subjects on USMB--if you don't focus on the main/primary/root cause/etc of the problem and instead focus on stupid, irrelevant crap--you will never fix the problem

 

[harmonica]

most whites did NOT own slaves...most whites in the SOUTH did not own slaves

 

[harmonica]

The current occupant of the WH is clearly a barrier to progress.

The previous denizen of the White House did more to damage race relations in this country than 100 President Trumps.

We haven't lived in such a racial charged environment since the late '60s.

Spoken like a true dumb white who apparently never had to face the continuing white racism in the 70's, 80's and 90's so just because whites were mad that a black man was president the racial atmosphere was charged because the only thing that counts to them is how they feel but no one else.

now--your post is worthless crap--many whites voted the Obama--

 

[gipper]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.

You post this racist stuff proving you WANT to live in the past. You relish posting the many unjust and evil actions of whites toward blacks, of generations ago. You also give no thought or consideration to the many actions whites took to end slavery and racism.

The most ironic thing about silly people like you, is you are a proud Democrat. Yet, clearly the D Party was the party of racism, Jim Crow, slavery, etc...do you fail to see the illogical nature of your beliefs? You live in the past, but chose to ignore the D Party's past. LOL!

 

[9thIDdoc]

"Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism"

Because you cherish it too deeply

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Why should hard working white folk be required to support a minority that has lost its work ethic to begin with and then after taking from the white folks they turn around accuse us of being racist? whas up wid dat?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Why should white folks be so concerned about minorities? They have never been concerned about anyone but themselves....feeling theyi are entitled to free stulff just because of their skin color? Nonsense. Time to take care of our own.....Lincoln was right....let them go back...in fact we should pay them to go back...would save us money in the long run....look at the huge,huge yes I say huge costs of keeping them here....aka....costs over 85 thousand a year now to incarcerate a minority lawbreaker, billions and billions are wasted on bussing....what has been the result of that do-gooder program anyhow...white kids listening to rap music. Pathetic....the emperor has no clothes aka will white folks ever wake up and learn to take care of their own? The only way to Make America Great Again....uinfortuately many of us know all too well....what they really want is to fundamentally change America...aka Destroy it. We are going down the same path S. Africa took and look what happend to them....tragic.

 

[toobfreak]

The current occupant of the WH is clearly a barrier to progress.

The previous denizen of the White House did more to damage race relations in this country than 100 President Trumps.

We haven't lived in such a racial charged environment since the late '60s.

Yes, of course, it's always the fault of the black guy, or what is whiteness for?

Very odd view considering it is the Blacks who always claim everything is the fault of white people. Except it was their own fellow Blacks who sold them off into slavery. And since reparations can never hope to repay those who might actually be owed, then they've already been repaid to their descendants who've been given a far better life in the West than they ever would have gotten back home in Africa.

So . . . . either reparations have ALREADY been repaid, or if paid now, then the null set gain would be to repay them for slavery while either KEEPING them slaves or repaying them and sending them back to Africa. Which shall it be?

 

[EGR one]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

What lost earnings are you entitled to, and who owes it to you? Do you really believe that the color of your skin entitles you to a payoff of some sort? What shade should this payoff be limited to? Should the darker shade of skin entitle one to a larger payoff?

 

[AKIP]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

What lost earnings are you entitled to, and who owes it to you? Do you really believe that the color of your skin entitles you to a payoff of some sort? What shade should this payoff be limited to? Should the darker shade of skin entitle one to a larger payoff?

Would you say that you have a job that requires "smarts" or "intellect" that may involve problem solving? Either you are not very smart and hence cannot figure this out or you are smart but have a vested interest and not figuring it out. This is not rocket science. The color of ones skin only has something to do with it because oppressors oppressed a group of people based upon that trait. The overwhelming majority of "black" people in America are descendants of slaves.

 

[Muhammed]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

That is because you are severely lacking in vocabulary and reading comprehension skills.

 

[EGR one]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

What lost earnings are you entitled to, and who owes it to you? Do you really believe that the color of your skin entitles you to a payoff of some sort? What shade should this payoff be limited to? Should the darker shade of skin entitle one to a larger payoff?

Would you say that you have a job that requires "smarts" or "intellect" that may involve problem solving? Either you are not very smart and hence cannot figure this out or you are smart but have a vested interest and not figuring it out. This is not rocket science. The color of ones skin only has something to do with it because oppressors oppressed a group of people based upon that trait. The overwhelming majority of "black" people in America are descendants of slaves.

I am only somewhat smart and I quit working for a living many years ago. I don't need to be smart to figure out that you are not smart enough to answer the questions I asked. Instead, you attempt to deflect the discussion by insinuating that I am not smart enough to figure out the answers for myself.

But to the contrary, Dumbass, I know the answers, even if you don't. Like most ignorant progressives, you want something for nothing, and you don't care who pays the bills, as long as it is not you.

A large percentage of "descendants of slaves" have prospered very well since the end of slavery, and/or the end of Jim Crow. Do they also owe you hateful, lazy asses a payoff?

 

[AKIP]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

What lost earnings are you entitled to, and who owes it to you? Do you really believe that the color of your skin entitles you to a payoff of some sort? What shade should this payoff be limited to? Should the darker shade of skin entitle one to a larger payoff?

Would you say that you have a job that requires "smarts" or "intellect" that may involve problem solving? Either you are not very smart and hence cannot figure this out or you are smart but have a vested interest and not figuring it out. This is not rocket science. The color of ones skin only has something to do with it because oppressors oppressed a group of people based upon that trait. The overwhelming majority of "black" people in America are descendants of slaves.

I am only somewhat smart and I quit working for a living many years ago. I don't need to be smart to figure out that you are not smart enough to answer the questions I asked. Instead, you attempt to deflect the discussion by insinuating that I am not smart enough to figure out the answers for myself.

But to the contrary, Dumbass, I know the answers, even if you don't. Like most ignorant progressives, you want something for nothing, and you don't care who pays the bills, as long as it is not you.

A large percentage of "descendants of slaves" have prospered very well since the end of slavery, and/or the end of Jim Crow. Do they also owe you hateful, lazy asses a payoff?

A large percentage of people have returned from wars unharmed, does that discredit those who did not make it back or made it back maimed or mentally unstable? I don't know what you are talking about but taxes levied are not based upon who is and who is not personally responsible for a debt. All citizens inherit the assets and liabilities of their country without regards to personal involvement in creating the asset or liability. Certainly we have all inherited freedoms that come with being American that were created from the sacrifices of others long ago, of which we had nothing personal to do with. However, the package deal is this. We as citizens are also liable for the debts and sins of the nation. If you can argue that you were not personally responsible....well....neither are you personally responsible for the many freedoms you enjoy. To deny one is to deny the other....genius.

 

[Tilly]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

Nobody alive today owes you money for what other people did in the past to people who aren’t you.
Nice to know it’s a handout you’re really pushing for though

 

[Tilly]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

I didn't apologize. I never owned a slave.

There will never be one thin dime of reparations in either of our lifetimes.

Like I said slavery was not the only issue and you are watching white America crumble in your faces because you have chosen to break a spiritual law that says if you have slaves pay them after 7 years. Not only have you whites not done it, you gloat about how you won't. So I'll just sit and watch white land crumble without remorse just like you guys have refused to pay us the money you owe us without remorse. The laws you guys have broke are required to be followed. There is no negotiating the fine levied if you don't. So I will be getting my retirement checks direct deposited and watch the misery white racists will endure as you pay the fine. And in the end, you will be apologizing.

You aren’t owed any money.

 

[Tilly]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

So basically you want a check in the mail every month being black?

Nope. We are owed for human rights violations committed against us by whites.

What human right violations have been committed against you?

 

[Tilly]

no one in America knows anyone that was a slave or owned a slave.


it's childish nonsense that people are owned shit just b/c they are black is why we can't move on.

Sorry bud that excuse won't work. You didn't knw anyone who travelled the trail of tears or served in the US military at that time but you pay their descendants every year. We aren't owed just because we are black, to believe that is what's childish.

look, you're a moron, we get it, you're slight grasp of reality is very very clear.


I don't pay anyone jack for anything I didn't do.
I don't owe you anything.
you are not owed anything.


my family wasn't even here, so even if you get your dream, how are you going to stick it to just the peoples whose families were here?

or is it just every white persons fault?

Yes you are paying various native American tribes for things that happened here before you were born, before you say your family got here and all the excuses you have just used. Reparations are owed by local, state and the federal government created human rights violations through law and policy against blacks.but you are dumb and you think people are just coming to you asking for your dollar.

so you are going to be paying reparations as well.

No. But you are dumb so its fine for blacks to get mistreated while others get reparations for things that happened you had nothing to do with because you think we are just asking for the money because we are black..

You pay reparations for the blacks your ancestors enslaved and then sold on to whites. Let’s start at the beginning of the chain and see how that goes

 

[Tilly]

"Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism"

Because you cherish it too deeply

Bingo!

 

[Tilly]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

What lost earnings are you entitled to, and who owes it to you? Do you really believe that the color of your skin entitles you to a payoff of some sort? What shade should this payoff be limited to? Should the darker shade of skin entitle one to a larger payoff?

Would you say that you have a job that requires "smarts" or "intellect" that may involve problem solving? Either you are not very smart and hence cannot figure this out or you are smart but have a vested interest and not figuring it out. This is not rocket science. The color of ones skin only has something to do with it because oppressors oppressed a group of people based upon that trait. The overwhelming majority of "black" people in America are descendants of slaves.

Will you be paying reparations to the descendants of blacks who were enslaved by blacks to be sold on to whites? Should probably start at the beginning. Show willing!

 

[AKIP]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

What lost earnings are you entitled to, and who owes it to you? Do you really believe that the color of your skin entitles you to a payoff of some sort? What shade should this payoff be limited to? Should the darker shade of skin entitle one to a larger payoff?

Would you say that you have a job that requires "smarts" or "intellect" that may involve problem solving? Either you are not very smart and hence cannot figure this out or you are smart but have a vested interest and not figuring it out. This is not rocket science. The color of ones skin only has something to do with it because oppressors oppressed a group of people based upon that trait. The overwhelming majority of "black" people in America are descendants of slaves.

Will you be paying reparations to the descendants of blacks who were enslaved by blacks to be sold on to whites? Should probably start at the beginning. Show willing!

There is a thing called jurisdiction. As a citizen of the united states, I am not liable for actions that took place in other lands. However, as an American citizen, I am liable for all past debts of the nation without regard to who, what, when, where, how and why....AND SO ARE YOU!!!!

The precedent has long been established that national debt and taxes is not about personal involvement in creating the debt. I am sure your tax dollars are already being spent on things that you had no role in creating, yet, you act dumbfounded as if its a new concept....lol.

There is no reason that you should not already know that taxes are not PERSONAL. I guess you are intellectually constipated from bigotry.