Zone1 Why was Jesus crucified?

[Leo123]

Now, now, there may have been a good reason to nail him on a cross to die

The question is, why?

Antisemitism does not enter the picture since Jews were killing another Jew.

He was accused of hiding classified documents?

 

[BreezeWood]

That the Messiah would be a new Moses, a new King, and a new High Priest all in one. That he would be rejected by his own people, and cut down, all before the destruction of the second temple.

Let the tap dancing begin….

your 4th century lie - using your victim for your own illicit purposes.

jesus taught liberation theology, self determination the very opposite of any of those you mentioned, moses, priests or kings.

the same as the heavens granted a&e for their journey for remission they chose as self determination than servitude and denial.

 

[irosie91]

That the Messiah would be a new Moses, a new King, and a new High Priest all in one. That he would be rejected by his own people, and cut down, all before the destruction of the second temple.

Let the tap dancing begin….

Surada AGREED with her co-THING that a "messiah" is described in Jewish literature as being
a "NEW MOSES, NEW KING and NEW HIGH PRIEST all rolled into ONE----that, SANTA CLAUS
and CRUSADER RABBIT

 

[theHawk]

your 4th century lie - using your victim for your own illicit purposes.

jesus taught liberation theology, self determination the very opposite of any of those you mentioned, moses, priests or kings.

the same as the heavens granted a&e for their journey for remission they chose as self determination than servitude and denial.

Those predictions about the messiah were made hundreds of years before Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

He was accused of hiding classified documents?

in Latin?

Those predictions about the messiah were made hundreds of years before Jesus.

by people who had crystal balls? There were no "PREDICTIONS" about
the nature of the person who was THEORIZED as being the HERALD to an
age of Justice and Peace----there was just a sense that such an age would
occur------a sense of OPTIMISM-------it did not happen---instead CONSTANTINE
of the FIRST REICH---the HERALD OF THE SECOND--and then the THIRD REICH
happened----on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions and ongoing human
misery-----Jesus had nothing to do with it

 

[theHawk]

in Latin?

by people who had crystal balls? There were no "PREDICTIONS" about
the nature of the person who was THEORIZED as being the HERALD to an
age of Justice and Peace----there was just a sense that such an age would
occur------a sense of OPTIMISM-------it did not happen---instead CONSTANTINE
of the FIRST REICH---the HERALD OF THE SECOND--and then the THIRD REICH
happened----on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions and ongoing human
misery-----Jesus had nothing to do with it

Actually in many cases they were told by God.

 

[theHawk]

THEORIZED as being the HERALD

Funny how you don’t have this stance when it comes to your political leader who is going to be the messiah. You know that is the case for sure, despite zero texts to back it up.

 

[irosie91]

Actually in many cases they were told by God.

God has a crystal ball? If you read the first book of the Tanach--to wit
GENESIS (Bereshit in hebrew which can be well translated as "at the beginning") you MIGHT
realize----if you have any insight at all---that a very important concept is that of CHOICE.
Man is unique in that unlike animals and plants---MAN HAS MORE THAN INSTINCT AND
TROPISMS---MAN HAS CHOICE---which is not controlled by GOD. Thus even God does
not know the FUTURE because so much of it depends on that FREE CHOICE

 

[irosie91]

Funny how you don’t have this stance when it comes to your political leader who is going to be the messiah. You know that is the case for sure, despite zero texts to back it up.

what is "the case" what are you calling "this stance"? I never described the putative
messiah as a "political leader" THAT DESCRIPTION is your. Your demand for "texts" is
ludicrous------the bible is not a OUJI BOARD. It is a collection of writings

 

[theHawk]

God has a crystal ball? If you read the first book of the Tanach--to wit
GENESIS (Bereshit in hebrew which can be well translated as "at the beginning") you MIGHT
realize----if you have any insight at all---that a very important concept is that of CHOICE.
Man is unique in that unlike animals and plants---MAN HAS MORE THAN INSTINCT AND
TROPISMS---MAN HAS CHOICE---which is not controlled by GOD. Thus even God does
not know the FUTURE because so much of it depends on that FREE CHOICE

So you are claiming the Tanakh is full of lies?

 

[BreezeWood]

Those predictions about the messiah were made hundreds of years before Jesus.

* clue - jesus never claimed to be a messiah, the only historical record of such a claim for jesus was made by judas.

jesus repudiated moses and their 10 commandments, was not a king nor a priest ...

- judaism is no source for your spiritual well being per a quest for a messiah.

 

[theHawk]

* clue - jesus never claimed to be a messiah, the only historical record of such a claim for jesus was made by judas.

jesus repudiated moses and their 10 commandments, was not a king nor a priest ...

- judaism is no source for your spiritual well being per a quest for a messiah.

Cool story, do you have anything to back up these claims?

 

[Kruska]

Why was Jesus crucified?​

Because the Jewish carpenter&nail union had outplayed the stone mason union, that strongly recommended stoning.
However bribes forwarded to Roman authorities - gave the deal to the Judea carpenter&nail trade union.

 

[irosie91]

So you are claiming the Tanakh is full of lies?

where do you see "full of lies"? The writings are very candid---they were not compiled
by imperialist mass murderers

 

[irosie91]

Why was Jesus crucified?​

Because the Jewish carpenter&nail union had outplayed the stone mason union, that strongly recommended stoning.
However bribes forwarded to Roman authorities - gave the deal to the Judea carpenter&nail trade union.

good enough for late nite radio back in the day of RUSH LIMBAUGH et al----could be RADIO
GALILEE

 

[irosie91]

Cool story, do you have anything to back up these claims?

to which of his claims do you refer?

 

[BreezeWood]

Cool story, do you have anything to back up these claims?

what historical record do you have - the claim jesus claimed to be a messiah - than that of judas making the claim, coincidentally for their soon to be aquired silver coins.

 

[irosie91]

Those predictions about the messiah were made hundreds of years before Jesus.

oh----those "predictions" written in hebrew and aramaic prose and poetry
which have been translated under the sponsorships of imperialist reichs?

what historical record do you have - the claim jesus claimed to be a messiah - than that of judas making the claim, coincidentally for their soon to be aquired silver coins.

King Solomon said uhm something like KESEV ONAH HA KOL (sic) (with apologies
to anyone fluent in Hebrew) meaning SILVER ANSWERS ALL

 

[rosends]

Eccl. 10:19
וְהַכֶּ֖סֶף יַעֲנֶ֥ה אֶת־הַכֹּֽל

 

[Blues Man]

This is in response to the thread about why Jews reject Jesus as Messiah

Answer this question and you get your answer to the other thread.

After all, the rejection of Jesus by the Jewish leaders of the time of Jesus is why he was rejected by Jews today.

He was amassing too much power and influence.

People were choosing to be controlled by religion rather than the the government.