Why Isn't America Great?

[Billy_Kinetta]

Okay, so maybe I'm just a patriot at heart, but I firmly believe that America is (currently) a great nation, and one of the best places to live on the planet. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty colored life, having been in the military, being deployed twice, working minimum wage service jobs in my youth, doing a couple years in tech (and hating it), to now going back to school and getting my ass kicked while pursuing a business degree.

I mean there are kids in school half my age and, due to how prosperous we are as a nation, I'm able to have not really had a super stable career and be going to school in the middle of my life. I've been to third world nations, and have the opportunity to speak to kids from around the world at my university...and I've seen how great we have it...and I love every second about it. I'm glad that I was raised in this nation and I'm proud to see how much we are doing and what we have offered to the world.

However, it really seems that a lot of people have no clue how great we are. You look at the media and Trump and his supporters wanting to "make America great again"...insinuating we aren't great now...and you really have to wonder. We have the best education systems, the most well-known and copied culture, corporations that are the largest and most powerful in the world, the strongest military (by far)...I mean by almost every measure we are great. Why do so many people think the opposite?

Now, this isn't to say we don't have problems...our growing divide between ourselves politically, racially, economically is probably the most concerning issue for me...but what nation doesn't have issues?

I just wanted to ask people who think that America isn't great, to please explain why they think so.

We are a great nation.

Our current government, however, is fucked in the head. That will change soon.

 

[cnm]

Anyway, Never3ndr, what are your measures of greatness? Being the leader of developed nations in quality of life for citizen categories?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Okay, so maybe I'm just a patriot at heart, but I firmly believe that America is (currently) a great nation, and one of the best places to live on the planet. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty colored life, having been in the military, being deployed twice, working minimum wage service jobs in my youth, doing a couple years in tech (and hating it), to now going back to school and getting my ass kicked while pursuing a business degree.

I mean there are kids in school half my age and, due to how prosperous we are as a nation, I'm able to have not really had a super stable career and be going to school in the middle of my life. I've been to third world nations, and have the opportunity to speak to kids from around the world at my university...and I've seen how great we have it...and I love every second about it. I'm glad that I was raised in this nation and I'm proud to see how much we are doing and what we have offered to the world.

However, it really seems that a lot of people have no clue how great we are. You look at the media and Trump and his supporters wanting to "make America great again"...insinuating we aren't great now...and you really have to wonder. We have the best education systems, the most well-known and copied culture, corporations that are the largest and most powerful in the world, the strongest military (by far)...I mean by almost every measure we are great. Why do so many people think the opposite?

Now, this isn't to say we don't have problems...our growing divide between ourselves politically, racially, economically is probably the most concerning issue for me...but what nation doesn't have issues?

I just wanted to ask people who think that America isn't great, to please explain why they think so.

We are a great nation.

Our current government, however, is fucked in the head. That will change soon.

Will it? I mean how many Supreme Court justices will change? How many Congressmen and women will change?

 

[jillian]

America is the best country the world has ever seen.

What's killing us is the left doesn't want to be great, they want to point at only things that are wrong or make up shit to be wrong but really isn't.

our freedoms are under attack, our republic is in danger, we are just this side of being a socialist nation where the media tells the sheep what to care about the most while the truly important subjects are ignored.

was the Confederate flag important?
no
was gays getting a cake anywhere they wanted important?
no
is trannies getting to use any toilet important?
no

Is the national debt passing $19 trillion important?
fuck yea, but no coverage
Is the fact that seniors got no cost of living increase while Congress got ~ $20k increase in pay important?
yea, but no coverage


America is great, but our government wants control, and that's not great.

was not letting transgendered people not using the bathroom of the gender they identify with important?

was it important for people to be bigots in their profession?

is it important to try to control women's most personal medical decisions for them?

is it important to humiliate and embarrass poor people because it makes you feel better about yourselves?

no? then stop pretending anything the right does matters.

here's a hint: no problem ever got solved by obstructing a president in order to delegitimize him.

 

[Kosh]

And the far left drones denies reality and supports Obama's illegal wars!

Dumber than a stump.

Please show where you spoke out against the illegal wars of Obama?

 

[Kosh]

America is the best country the world has ever seen.

What's killing us is the left doesn't want to be great, they want to point at only things that are wrong or make up shit to be wrong but really isn't.

our freedoms are under attack, our republic is in danger, we are just this side of being a socialist nation where the media tells the sheep what to care about the most while the truly important subjects are ignored.

was the Confederate flag important?
no
was gays getting a cake anywhere they wanted important?
no
is trannies getting to use any toilet important?
no

Is the national debt passing $19 trillion important?
fuck yea, but no coverage
Is the fact that seniors got no cost of living increase while Congress got ~ $20k increase in pay important?
yea, but no coverage


America is great, but our government wants control, and that's not great.

was not letting transgendered people not using the bathroom of the gender they identify with important?

was it important for people to be bigots in their profession?

is it important to try to control women's most personal medical decisions for them?

is it important to humiliate and embarrass poor people because it makes you feel better about yourselves?

no? then stop pretending anything the right does matters.

here's a hint: no problem ever got solved by obstructing a president in order to delegitimize him.

More far left drone religious dogma..

People have to invent rights that do not exist in order to politically enslave groups of people, that is the far left way..

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Okay, so maybe I'm just a patriot at heart, but I firmly believe that America is (currently) a great nation, and one of the best places to live on the planet. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty colored life, having been in the military, being deployed twice, working minimum wage service jobs in my youth, doing a couple years in tech (and hating it), to now going back to school and getting my ass kicked while pursuing a business degree.

I mean there are kids in school half my age and, due to how prosperous we are as a nation, I'm able to have not really had a super stable career and be going to school in the middle of my life. I've been to third world nations, and have the opportunity to speak to kids from around the world at my university...and I've seen how great we have it...and I love every second about it. I'm glad that I was raised in this nation and I'm proud to see how much we are doing and what we have offered to the world.

However, it really seems that a lot of people have no clue how great we are. You look at the media and Trump and his supporters wanting to "make America great again"...insinuating we aren't great now...and you really have to wonder. We have the best education systems, the most well-known and copied culture, corporations that are the largest and most powerful in the world, the strongest military (by far)...I mean by almost every measure we are great. Why do so many people think the opposite?

Now, this isn't to say we don't have problems...our growing divide between ourselves politically, racially, economically is probably the most concerning issue for me...but what nation doesn't have issues?

I just wanted to ask people who think that America isn't great, to please explain why they think so.

We are a great nation.

Our current government, however, is fucked in the head. That will change soon.

Will it? I mean how many Supreme Court justices will change? How many Congressmen and women will change?

Four Justices.

Congress? Hard to say.

 

[S.J.]

is it important to try to control women's most personal medical decisions for them?

Murdering your child is a medical decision?

no problem ever got solved by obstructing a president in order to delegitimize him.

We'll see if you still feel that way after Trump is sworn in as POTUS.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

America is the best country the world has ever seen.

What's killing us is the left doesn't want to be great, they want to point at only things that are wrong or make up shit to be wrong but really isn't.

our freedoms are under attack, our republic is in danger, we are just this side of being a socialist nation where the media tells the sheep what to care about the most while the truly important subjects are ignored.

was the Confederate flag important?
no
was gays getting a cake anywhere they wanted important?
no
is trannies getting to use any toilet important?
no

Is the national debt passing $19 trillion important?
fuck yea, but no coverage
Is the fact that seniors got no cost of living increase while Congress got ~ $20k increase in pay important?
yea, but no coverage


America is great, but our government wants control, and that's not great.

was not letting transgendered people not using the bathroom of the gender they identify with important?

To civilized society? Yes.

was it important for people to be bigots in their profession?

Freedom of association.

is it important to try to control women's most personal medical decisions for them?

It is important to respect human life.

is it important to humiliate and embarrass poor people because it makes you feel better about yourselves?

If people are embarrassed, it is their own doing.

no problem ever got solved by obstructing a president in order to delegitimize him.

Au contraire, many problems have been prevented. Would that the opposition had more spine.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Okay, so maybe I'm just a patriot at heart, but I firmly believe that America is (currently) a great nation, and one of the best places to live on the planet. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty colored life, having been in the military, being deployed twice, working minimum wage service jobs in my youth, doing a couple years in tech (and hating it), to now going back to school and getting my ass kicked while pursuing a business degree.

I mean there are kids in school half my age and, due to how prosperous we are as a nation, I'm able to have not really had a super stable career and be going to school in the middle of my life. I've been to third world nations, and have the opportunity to speak to kids from around the world at my university...and I've seen how great we have it...and I love every second about it. I'm glad that I was raised in this nation and I'm proud to see how much we are doing and what we have offered to the world.

However, it really seems that a lot of people have no clue how great we are. You look at the media and Trump and his supporters wanting to "make America great again"...insinuating we aren't great now...and you really have to wonder. We have the best education systems, the most well-known and copied culture, corporations that are the largest and most powerful in the world, the strongest military (by far)...I mean by almost every measure we are great. Why do so many people think the opposite?

Now, this isn't to say we don't have problems...our growing divide between ourselves politically, racially, economically is probably the most concerning issue for me...but what nation doesn't have issues?

I just wanted to ask people who think that America isn't great, to please explain why they think so.

We are a great nation.

Our current government, however, is fucked in the head. That will change soon.

Will it? I mean how many Supreme Court justices will change? How many Congressmen and women will change?

Four Justices.

Congress? Hard to say.

Four justices, maybe. Maybe soon, maybe not so soon.

Congress, hard to say...

57 new members of Congress at the last House election, out of 435, 7.6% change

Hardly change, is it?

 

[cnm]

So what are the metrics of greatness?

 

[Elvis Obama]

America is the best country the world has ever seen.

What's killing us is the left doesn't want to be great, they want to point at only things that are wrong or make up shit to be wrong but really isn't.

our freedoms are under attack, our republic is in danger, we are just this side of being a socialist nation where the media tells the sheep what to care about the most while the truly important subjects are ignored.

was the Confederate flag important?
no
was gays getting a cake anywhere they wanted important?
no
is trannies getting to use any toilet important?
no

Is the national debt passing $19 trillion important?
fuck yea, but no coverage
Is the fact that seniors got no cost of living increase while Congress got ~ $20k increase in pay important?
yea, but no coverage


America is great, but our government wants control, and that's not great.

How is it that you confuse corruption with progressivism? Everything you list as a problem is caused by corruption, which is bi-partisan. Do you really think all conservative politicians are honest and all liberal politicians corrupt? It's a system. Everyone in that system is swimming in the same swamp.

 

[Never3ndr]

Anyway, Never3ndr, what are your measures of greatness? Being the leader of developed nations in quality of life for citizen categories?

I'd say that, when considering a nation to be "great," I would look at it militarily, culturally, educationally, and economically. That is my personal opinion...I'm sure what people would consider "great" for a nation varies form person to person.

I'd also like to point out that I don't think you need to be the "best" to be "great."

 

[cnm]

Yes, but within those categories what is 'great'? For example in the economic category, what value is assigned to a greater or lesser degree of wealth disparity as compared to, say, gdp?

 

[alpine]

So you are telling me I can practically say whatever I wanted, and nothing would happen to me at the end?


This is great!


America is great!

 

[cnm]

Here we go. The US is officially great. Well, according to a combined USNews survey...

Overall Best Countries Ranking

http://www.usnews.com

• #1 Germany
• #2 Canada
• #3 United Kingdom
• #4 United States
• #5 Sweden

 

[Never3ndr]

Yes, but within those categories what is 'great'? For example in the economic category, what value is assigned to a greater or lesser degree of wealth disparity as compared to, say, gdp?

You are looking for a specific answer to a non-specific question. I'm not trying to quantify if America is great, how great America is, how much greater America is than X nation, or how much more of Y we need before we become great.

I'm asking an open-ended, opinion based question in order to get the views of others on this website. There are no real right or wrong answers as I'm not asking you for a fact-based logic chain but rather your opinion on why you do not think America is great. Now, if you want to back your opinion up with quantifiable statistics I'm not going to argue, but I'm mainly searching for why so many Americans seem to think we are down in the dumps.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Okay, so maybe I'm just a patriot at heart, but I firmly believe that America is (currently) a great nation, and one of the best places to live on the planet. I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty colored life, having been in the military, being deployed twice, working minimum wage service jobs in my youth, doing a couple years in tech (and hating it), to now going back to school and getting my ass kicked while pursuing a business degree.

I mean there are kids in school half my age and, due to how prosperous we are as a nation, I'm able to have not really had a super stable career and be going to school in the middle of my life. I've been to third world nations, and have the opportunity to speak to kids from around the world at my university...and I've seen how great we have it...and I love every second about it. I'm glad that I was raised in this nation and I'm proud to see how much we are doing and what we have offered to the world.

However, it really seems that a lot of people have no clue how great we are. You look at the media and Trump and his supporters wanting to "make America great again"...insinuating we aren't great now...and you really have to wonder. We have the best education systems, the most well-known and copied culture, corporations that are the largest and most powerful in the world, the strongest military (by far)...I mean by almost every measure we are great. Why do so many people think the opposite?

Now, this isn't to say we don't have problems...our growing divide between ourselves politically, racially, economically is probably the most concerning issue for me...but what nation doesn't have issues?

I just wanted to ask people who think that America isn't great, to please explain why they think so.

How about because we, the people have not had a voice on how we are governed since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? This country has been ran by international bankers ever since and used as a conduit to take down third world countries that didn't have the means to fight off the military industrial complex because they had resources that the international bankers coveted. USA.INC has never spread "democracy"....it has spread misery and installed puppet despots that used torture and imprisonment to squash dissent so the multi-national corporations could come in to rape, pillage and plunder....what a legacy...so glad to be ""Merican".......not.

This country has a lot to answer for and it's way past time for people to wake the fuck up and see what these corporate POS have done in our name and stand up against it. Stop waving that corporate banner that is the U.S flag...you don't owe one fucking bit of allegiance to this corporate entity that lamely attempts to pass itself off as a legitimate governmental body that provides the 19 essential "gubermint" services in a for profit venture. Time to pull up your big boy britches, folks...there is a huge reason as to why other countries despise us...take off the rose colored glasses and deal in reality.

and another

yet neither has moved out.

I prefer to stay and fight...only a coward would leave his countrymen behind. WE are the change but we have to wake up as to why things are like they are.

There is nothing wrong with America that you can change.

we had the most free country in the world and leftist fucked it up and KEEP taking more freedom away and cheer about it.

 

[Two Thumbs]

and here's a leftist proving my point

Is New Zealand full of these leftists you talk about?

.

the fuck do I care about NZ?

what does it have to do with the USA?

 

[Two Thumbs]

yet neither has moved out.

The ignorance of the rightards.

Canaduh is just north of you.