Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[hobelim]

Genesis is an allegory Adam is a metaphor

Yes. Genesis was written around 3500 years ago when the earth was without shape or form (lawless) and void (exceedingly pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown). and the Spirit of God hovered over the waters and God said, "Let there be light" and there was light when the Law was spoken into existence as "a light to the nations" by teaching people of every nation to differentiate between clean and unclean, light and darkness, right and wrong, true and false, good and evil, sanity and insanity, life and death.

Adam is a character like the talking serpent and coincidentally the Pharaoh wore a serpent on his head and was an expert in the magical arts, sorcery, what is now well known as hypnotism brainwashing or mind control.

The story is a warning to Hebrew children who just escaped the slavery of mind control practiced in Egypt about losing your sanity for life to a subtle crafty deceitful "beguiler". The feared and revered stars of the ancient world

 

[hadit]

I don't require a lab to establish that exoplanets exist. What I can do is watch the sky. See the lights diminish of stars as those planets pass along, measure the wobble of stars as the planets exert their gravity on it and lately detect a few directly. In short, these claims can be tested against reality.

A god cannot. And you can try to explain why YOU THINK this is the case by attributing a whole lot of attributes to god that are just as unproven as the god itself. It comes down to you claiming a unicorn exist and that we can't see it because it's invisible. Something you would not accept if I would claim it to you.

According to dogma God is almighty and all-knowing and has taken a special interest in humanity. Yet he doesn't deem it necessary to show himself to humanity in a way that's clear to all. Instead, he revealed himself to your particular religion in a way that's somehow undeniably true, yet completely unknowable. And that's the same claim billions of other people make about their God, but those people are clearly mistaken.

Not so. He revealed Himself in the form of Yeshua, who was seen and heard by thousands. Let's be honest here, any revealing He would do today would be instantly dismissed as fake by those who are determined to not believe, no matter what. Then, within a short period of time, denial would set in. Just witness the Holocaust. Within living memory, people were denying it ever happened.

 

[hadit]

Saying I am God, I don’t have to convince anyone is not a convincing argument

Nonsense, He is a sovereign being, and as such, is not bound by your rules of evidence. He does not have to repeat the same actions in the same circumstances. In a lab, when you combine chemical A with chemical B under the right combination of temperature and pressure, you can a consistent reaction and you say, "Ah, I proved something". You want to put God in that same situation, where you control the environment and the triggers and you can force God to do certain things on command. That's not how it works.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Not me, thr Word of G-d declares this.

Revenge of Pathetic Nobodies

That really makes you feel superior to non-believers, which is your true motivation for being a believer.

 

[rightwinger]

Nonsense, He is a sovereign being, and as such, is not bound by your rules of evidence. He does not have to repeat the same actions in the same circumstances. In a lab, when you combine chemical A with chemical B under the right combination of temperature and pressure, you can a consistent reaction and you say, "Ah, I proved something". You want to put God in that same situation, where you control the environment and the triggers and you can force God to do certain things on command. That's not how it works.

Of course he is

If he makes no effort to prove his existence, he has no right to blame you if you doubt his existence

 

[hadit]

Of course he is

If he makes no effort to prove his existence, he has no right to blame you if you doubt his existence

Ah, and that's where you ignore the evidence of untold millions of people throughout man's history testifying to His existence. You want to set all that aside and proclaim that God does not exist because he does meet YOUR standard of evidence. Far from making "no effort to prove His existence", He's been proving it all along. Like I said, you do not want to do what would prove it to you. Instead, you insist God has to jump through the hoops you set up.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Wow you are so blind, really blind. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Adam is truly created from scratch, then how do you get to this piece of truth? The hard fact is, you are as a human is incapable of getting to this piece of truth with your own capability.

Now you call everything a fairytale simply because you are unable to reach what truth could be? That's your stupidity.

That said. A fairytale is the lake of an eyewitness. Adam is said to be witnessed by God and by His angels. Such a testimony remains the only vessel for the incapable humans to reach a truth. You are so blind to even incapable of distinguishing a fairytale from a testimony!

To unfold the blind from your kind. It works this way;
Is Adam a fairytale? Let's assume that Adam to be a truth first for the sake of argument. If this is true how can you reach it? The only way for the incapable humans to reach such a truth, is through a testimony from someone who is present in the scene and on sight. If Adam is true, those who can write such a testimony shall be from either God or/and His angels created earlier. Humans are incapable of reaching such a truth by other means. So whatever claims of truth shall be either from God or from His angels. That's the meaning of a testimony. The incapable humans need faith to believe a testimony from the possible eyewitnesses on sight to get to such a truth.

A fairytale never emphasizes eyewitnesses or testimonies, as it is actually an existence built upon the lack of eyewitnesses and testimonies.

This is not complicated. You yourself remain a proof that humans are blinded from telling apart something as simple as the difference between a testimony and a fairytale.

Blessed Are the Brain-Dead

Theists show nothing but contempt for both human intelligence and the human race itself. They desperately need to feel superior to those who don't swallow their self-glorifying nonsense.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The brain is hard wired for spiritual thinking and to ponder ideas that cant be proven

No it isn't. The brain is hardwired for staying alive in a hostile environment. The affinity for believing utter nonsense was very useful, in surviving.

Red berry killed Grog? Don't eat any more red berries.

Sky filling with clouds in ine side of the sky? Perhaps the cloud god is mad, and we should take shelter.

There is nothing spiritual about any of this.

Spirituality is an artifact of sentience and abstract thought.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You believe we evolved from rocks, water, etc, over millions of years.

Nobody believes that.

You know, if you would ever learn even the most basic things about evolution and abiogeneiss, you wouldn't say such stupid things.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Evidence isnt required as there is no evidence to support the non existence either. Beliefs dont require evidence

The Problem Is That Little Children Who Believe in Such Things Are Never Called "Superstitious"

There is also no evidence to support the non-existence of Santa Claus, either, since any impossible actions he takes can be dishonestly refuted by believers with "he has the power to visit millions of homes in one night, etc."

You would say that therefore we can't be atheists about Santa Claus, only agnostics.
The reason that is unreasonable is that there are certain beliefs that are too imaginary for a sane person to ever enter a serious debate about them with a childish and stupid believer in fairy tales. So you're assuming Theism is not one those wacko beliefs.

 

[rightwinger]

Ah, and that's where you ignore the evidence of untold millions of people throughout man's history testifying to His existence. You want to set all that aside and proclaim that God does not exist because he does meet YOUR standard of evidence. Far from making "no effort to prove His existence", He's been proving it all along. Like I said, you do not want to do what would prove it to you. Instead, you insist God has to jump through the hoops you set up.

I look at this

God spoke directly to Moses.
So Moses had proof of Gods existence

Beyond that, God wrote his commandments on stone tablets for Moses to bring back.

Now, THAT is solid proof that God exists. If I looked at those tablets, I could say….nobody but God could have written on those tablets.

But Moses smashed those tablets, so I have no solid proof.

God missed his chance

 

[alang1216]

Evidence isnt required as there is no evidence to support the non existence either.

Can a negative ever be proven?

Beliefs dont require evidence

Mine do.

 

[DukeU]

Nobody believes that.

You know, if you would ever learn even the most basic things about evolution and abiogeneiss, you wouldn't say such stupid things.

I'm not interested in wasting time on man-made religion.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm not interested in wasting time on man-made religion.

Just interested in embarrassing yourself and saying dumb shit that would make a 9th grader laugh at you?

Uh, okay. It's a free ocuntry!

 

[DukeU]

Just interested in embarrassing yourself and saying dumb shit that would make a 9th grader laugh at you?

Uh, okay. It's a free ocuntry!

Why would I be embarrassed?

I don't believe in evolution.

That would be you.

 

[DukeU]

Of course he is

If he makes no effort to prove his existence, he has no right to blame you if you doubt his existence

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why would I be embarrassed?

For saying such dumb things.

 

[rightwinger]

A bunch of Fairy Tales?

 

[DukeU]

For saying such dumb things.

It's your belief, own it.

 

[DukeU]

A bunch of Fairy Tales?

Obviously, you didn't watch.