Why is it so dangerous what the US and Israel is doing?

[Meathead]

Only a goofball thinks the Iranian election process reminds one of the Democrats. What an idiot.

A complete moron could see the similarity, but then you obviously could not rise even to that minimal bar.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Only a goofball thinks the Iranian election process reminds one of the Democrats. What an idiot.

 

[Concerned American]

Only a goofball thinks the Iranian election process reminds one of the Democrats. What an idiot.

So you can't see the parallels of the DNC choosing Harris over the will of democrat primary voters and the mullahs choosing who the Iranians get to vote for, eh? Newsflash, you're a goofball and an idiot, donkey.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So you can't see the parallels of the DNC choosing Harris over the will of democrat primary voters and the mullahs choosing who the Iranians get to vote for, eh? Newsflash, you're a goofball and an idiot, donkey.

There are no parallels except in your wrinkled brain.

 

[Concerned American]

There are no parallels except in your wrinkled brain.

The truth of my posted newsflash stands, donkey.

 

[Stryder50]

Yesterday, on another and related thread, I presented this bit of not so old history. Many in the Muslim world, Iran especially, would choose more secular lives if the Islamic regimes they live under allowed such. Iran may be a prime example~test case.
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Back in 2009-2010 there was an opportunity to remove the mullahs and possibly have a more neutral Iran. But Muslim (and traitor) Obama turned the USA back on the Green Movement, letting them be destroyed by the Iranian dictatorship.

It might be possible to revive that grassroots movement for regime change, and assist with some minimumal USA aid to regime change Iran.
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The Iranian Green Movement (Persian: جنبش سبز ایران, jonbash sabz iran) or Green Wave of Iran (موج سبز ایران, moj sabz iran),<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> also referred to as the Persian Awakening or Persian Spring by the western media,<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> refers to a political movement that arose after the 12 June, 2009 Iranian presidential election and lasted until early 2010,<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> in which protesters demanded the removal of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from office. Green was initially used as the symbol of Mir Hossein Mousavi's campaign, but after the election it became the symbol of unity and hope for those asking for annulment of what they regarded as a fraudulent election. Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi are recognized as political leaders of the Green Movement.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri was also mentioned as spiritual leader of the movement.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

The Green Movement protests were a major event in Iran's modern political history and observers claimed that these protests were the largest since the Iranian Revolution of 1978–79.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a><a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> While the protests started out as a peaceful, non-violent movement, hundreds of people were arrested and several died as protests turned more violent in the following months. The movement eventually had trouble with retaining its momentum.
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Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The truth of my posted newsflash stands, donkey.

Not in the slightest. You are simply wonky. Iran with a nuke endangers Israel, the US, Europe, and everyone else the mullahs hate.

 

[Stryder50]

Not in the slightest. You are simply wonky. Iran with a nuke endangers Israel, the US, Europe, and everyone else the mullahs hate.

One only needs a couple-few bombs to use for this;
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A nuclear electromagnetic pulse (nuclear EMP or NEMP) is a burst of electromagnetic radiation created by a nuclear explosion. The resulting rapidly varying electric and magnetic fields may couple with electrical and electronic systems to produce damaging current and voltage surges. The specific characteristics of a particular nuclear EMP event vary according to a number of factors, the most important of which is the altitude of the detonation.

The term "electromagnetic pulse" generally excludes optical (infrared, visible, ultraviolet) and ionizing (such as X-ray and gamma radiation) ranges. In military terminology, a nuclear warhead detonated tens to hundreds of miles above the Earth's surface is known as a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) device. Effects of a HEMP device depend on factors including the altitude of the detonation, energy yield, gamma ray output, interactions with the Earth's magnetic field and electromagnetic shielding of targets.
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Nuclear electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Concerned American]

Not in the slightest. You are simply wonky. Iran with a nuke endangers Israel, the US, Europe, and everyone else the mullahs hate.

Please respond to the post as to why you can't understand how democrats and Iranian mullahs control elections in the same way. I know your attention span is limited but you can actually scroll back to the relevant posts.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Please respond to the post as to why you can't understand how democrats and Iranian mullahs control elections in the same way. I know your attention span is limited but you can actually scroll back to the relevant posts.

No one is interested in your silly post about elections. The OP is about the US and Israel striking Iran. Get back on track now.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One only needs a couple-few bombs to use for this;
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A nuclear electromagnetic pulse (nuclear EMP or NEMP) is a burst of electromagnetic radiation created by a nuclear explosion. The resulting rapidly varying electric and magnetic fields may couple with electrical and electronic systems to produce damaging current and voltage surges. The specific characteristics of a particular nuclear EMP event vary according to a number of factors, the most important of which is the altitude of the detonation.

The term "electromagnetic pulse" generally excludes optical (infrared, visible, ultraviolet) and ionizing (such as X-ray and gamma radiation) ranges. In military terminology, a nuclear warhead detonated tens to hundreds of miles above the Earth's surface is known as a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) device. Effects of a HEMP device depend on factors including the altitude of the detonation, energy yield, gamma ray output, interactions with the Earth's magnetic field and electromagnetic shielding of targets.
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Nuclear electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iran won't have that level of technology until after it already has nuked someone else and the country is turned into one huge sheet of glass. An EMP is still a nuclear device and meets MAD criteria.

 

[BothWings]

There are no US forces involved, oooooops

But you ignore the fact that many want there to be. Ooooops. And if they got their way there'd be an even bigger OOOOOPS.

 

[Concerned American]

Get back on track now.

Maybe you should practice what you preach. I responded to YOUR post #22. If you post BS, at least be man enough to support your post, moron troll.

 

[Foxfyre]

It seems very dangerous strategy. To hope for a regime change, by attacking a country and taking out leader in that country - it's just as likely to make people rally together against the external enemy, especially when its their long-time nemesis of Israel-America. Plus they have a growing alliance with Russia & China to back them up and the BRICS economic group.

They are not attacking to get a regime change. They are attacking to eliminate Iran's capability to develop a nuclear weapon.

A regime change would just be the icing on that cake if it happens.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, you attacked me for me not allowing you deflect. No, your deflection is out of bounds.

Get back on track on the OP.

Read Foxfyre immediately above for a reminder.

 

[Manonthestreet]

But you ignore the fact that many want there to be. Ooooops. And if they got their way there'd be an even bigger OOOOOPS.

Not going to happen......Karen says what.

 

[Stryder50]

Iran won't have that level of technology until after it already has nuked someone else and the country is turned into one huge sheet of glass. An EMP is still a nuclear device and meets MAD criteria.

"nuclear" is just one of many ways.
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An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also referred to as a transient electromagnetic disturbance (TED), is a brief burst of electromagnetic energy. The origin of an EMP can be natural or artificial, and can occur as an electromagnetic field, as an electric field, as a magnetic field, or as a conducted electric current. The electromagnetic interference caused by an EMP can disrupt communications and damage electronic equipment.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> An EMP such as a lightning strike can physically damage objects such as buildings and aircraft. The management of EMP effects is a branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

The first recorded damage from an electromagnetic pulse came with the solar storm of August 1859, or the Carrington Event.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

In modern warfare, weapons delivering a high energy EMP are designed to disrupt<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> communications equipment, computers needed to operate modern warplanes, or even put the entire electrical network of a target country out of commission.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>
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Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP)​

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) is a weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse without use of nuclear technology. Devices that can achieve this objective include a large low-inductance capacitor bank discharged into a single-loop antenna, a microwave generator, and an explosively pumped flux compression generator. To achieve the frequency characteristics of the pulse needed for optimal coupling into the target, wave-shaping circuits or microwave generators are added between the pulse source and the antenna. Vircators are vacuum tubes that are particularly suitable for microwave conversion of high-energy pulses.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a>

NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs, cruise missiles (such as the CHAMP missile) and drones, with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects, but without the consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

The range of NNEMP weapons is much less than nuclear EMP. Nearly all NNEMP devices used as weapons require chemical explosives as their initial energy source, producing only one millionth the energy of nuclear explosives of similar weight.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> The electromagnetic pulse from NNEMP weapons must come from within the weapon, while nuclear weapons generate EMP as a secondary effect.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> These facts limit the range of NNEMP weapons, but allow finer target discrimination. The effect of small e-bombs has proven to be sufficient for certain terrorist or military operations.[<em><a href="Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (January 2016)">citation needed</span></a></em>] Examples of such operations include the destruction of electronic control systems critical to the operation of many ground vehicles and aircraft.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a>[<em><a href="Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="cited article is mostly speculation, not fact (July 2016)">additional citation(s) needed</span></a></em>]

The concept of the explosively pumped flux compression generator for generating a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse was conceived as early as 1951 by Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union,<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> but nations kept work on non-nuclear EMP classified until similar ideas emerged in other nations.
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Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'd highly recommend reading the full article linked above, as well as the article link in my prior post to more fully understand all that is involved here.

 

[Stryder50]

Iran won't have that level of technology until after it already has nuked someone else and the country is turned into one huge sheet of glass. An EMP is still a nuclear device and meets MAD criteria.

As I just pointed out in my first response to your post, doesn't require a nuclear device for Iran, or others to generate an EMP.
Non-nuclear generation usually is rather short ranged compared to nuclear, and nuclear depends a bit on the bomb size, bomb design, and altitude of explosion, etc.

One of the "between the lines" points I was trying to make is that if a nation/agency only has one to a few nuclear bombs, then use for generating an EMP can yield a localized tactical advantage if enough of your enemy's electronics are fried. This might often be better than just frying a city or military base.

My other point being that a rogue nation like Iran, or North Korea, or a rogue organization, such as a faction of Islamic Jihad could do a bit of debilitating damage to their opponent by well placed aerial blasts of nuke(s) to cover a sizable area with EMP effects. Rogue agents can be a nuclear threat with a small number of devices and non-ICBM delivery systems.

A nuclear device of large enough yield and at altitude might fry most of electronic/electrical of a small nation like Israel, plus some of the neighboring countries, but it would take a few to several to cover the key parts of a larger nation like the USA.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

"nuclear" is just one of many ways.
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An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also referred to as a transient electromagnetic disturbance (TED), is a brief burst of electromagnetic energy. The origin of an EMP can be natural or artificial, and can occur as an electromagnetic field, as an electric field, as a magnetic field, or as a conducted electric current. The electromagnetic interference caused by an EMP can disrupt communications and damage electronic equipment.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> An EMP such as a lightning strike can physically damage objects such as buildings and aircraft. The management of EMP effects is a branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

The first recorded damage from an electromagnetic pulse came with the solar storm of August 1859, or the Carrington Event.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

In modern warfare, weapons delivering a high energy EMP are designed to disrupt<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> communications equipment, computers needed to operate modern warplanes, or even put the entire electrical network of a target country out of commission.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>
....

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP)​

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) is a weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse without use of nuclear technology. Devices that can achieve this objective include a large low-inductance capacitor bank discharged into a single-loop antenna, a microwave generator, and an explosively pumped flux compression generator. To achieve the frequency characteristics of the pulse needed for optimal coupling into the target, wave-shaping circuits or microwave generators are added between the pulse source and the antenna. Vircators are vacuum tubes that are particularly suitable for microwave conversion of high-energy pulses.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a>

NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs, cruise missiles (such as the CHAMP missile) and drones, with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects, but without the consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

The range of NNEMP weapons is much less than nuclear EMP. Nearly all NNEMP devices used as weapons require chemical explosives as their initial energy source, producing only one millionth the energy of nuclear explosives of similar weight.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> The electromagnetic pulse from NNEMP weapons must come from within the weapon, while nuclear weapons generate EMP as a secondary effect.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> These facts limit the range of NNEMP weapons, but allow finer target discrimination. The effect of small e-bombs has proven to be sufficient for certain terrorist or military operations.[<em><a href="Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (January 2016)">citation needed</span></a></em>] Examples of such operations include the destruction of electronic control systems critical to the operation of many ground vehicles and aircraft.<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a>[<em><a href="Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="cited article is mostly speculation, not fact (July 2016)">additional citation(s) needed</span></a></em>]

The concept of the explosively pumped flux compression generator for generating a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse was conceived as early as 1951 by Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union,<a href="Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> but nations kept work on non-nuclear EMP classified until similar ideas emerged in other nations.
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Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'd highly recommend reading the full article linked above, as well as the article link in my prior post to more fully understand all that is involved here.

I was a nuclear weapons officer in the Navy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As I just pointed out in my first response to your post, doesn't require a nuclear device for Iran, or others to generate an EMP.
Non-nuclear generation usually is rather short ranged compared to nuclear, and nuclear depends a bit on the bomb size, bomb design, and altitude of explosion, etc.

One of the "between the lines" points I was trying to make is that if a nation/agency only has one to a few nuclear bombs, then use for generating an EMP can yield a localized tactical advantage if enough of your enemy's electronics are fried. This might often be better than just frying a city or military base.

My other point being that a rogue nation like Iran, or North Korea, or a rogue organization, such as a faction of Islamic Jihad could do a bit of debilitating damage to their opponent by well placed aerial blasts of nuke(s) to cover a sizable area with EMP effects. Rogue agents can be a nuclear threat with a small number of devices and non-ICBM delivery systems.

A nuclear device of large enough yield and at altitude might fry most of electronic/electrical of a small nation like Israel, plus some of the neighboring countries, but it would take a few to several to cover the key parts of a larger nation like the USA.

You keep missing the fact that EMPs using a nuclear device is still a nuclear attack. Are you dense or unable to grasp the concept? An EMP attack will be responded to the same as any nuclear device.