Why is it called "fighting for our freedom"? What freedom can someone take from us half a world awa

[Sonny Clark]

I didn't go into Iraq.

You said you went to Iraq in an effort to stop terrorists. No?

I never said that. Go back and read what I did say. I have never been to Iraq. I said that we, America, went to fight the terrorists.

 

[cnm]

I wasn't talking about any other country. I wasn't making a comparison.

No, Kosh was comparing US freedoms to other countries' freedoms.

 

[cnm]

I never said that. Go back and read what I did say. I have never been to Iraq. I said that we, America, went to fight the terrorists.

Yeah, terrorists in Iraq. Orwell was right.

 

[Sonny Clark]

I never said that. Go back and read what I did say. I have never been to Iraq. I said that we, America, went to fight the terrorists.

Yeah, terrorists in Iraq. Orwell was right.

Terrorists are everywhere. They're in Africa, Southeast Asia, everywhere. Some may be here in the U.S. What did Orwell say that was right?

 

[9thIDdoc]

What freedom can someone take from us half a world away?

Stupid question. You must have slept through 9/11. How many freedoms do dead people have?

 

[Sonny Clark]

I wasn't talking about any other country. I wasn't making a comparison.

No, Kosh was comparing US freedoms to other countries' freedoms.

I see. I thought that you meant that I was. My bad. Sorry.

 

[Sonny Clark]

What freedom can someone take from us half a world away?

Stupid question. You must have slept through 9/11. How many freedoms do dead people have?

Dead people do not have any freedoms. Besides the 3,000 on 9/11, what about the 5,000 in Iraq, the 60,000 in Viet Nam, and those still being killed in Afghanistan? Dead people have 6 feet of dirt on top of them, and that's it.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Dead people do not have any freedoms. Besides the 3,000 on 9/11, what about the 5,000 in Iraq, the 60,000 in Viet Nam, and those still being killed in Afghanistan? Dead people have 6 feet of dirt on top of them, and that's it.

Exactly They gave up their freedoms in the effort of ensuring the freedoms of Americans. All gave some. Some gave all.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Dead people do not have any freedoms. Besides the 3,000 on 9/11, what about the 5,000 in Iraq, the 60,000 in Viet Nam, and those still being killed in Afghanistan? Dead people have 6 feet of dirt on top of them, and that's it.

Exactly They gave up their freedoms in the effort of ensuring the freedoms of American freedoms. All gave some. Some gave all.

The ones that died on 9/11 didn't give up anything for freedom. They died because two planes hit the towers. Some of them never knew what happened. The 60,000 that died in Viet Nam, died because they were told to go there and fight the North Viet Cong. There was no freedom to fight and die for. They died under orders to go fight to help South Viet Nam. Freedom wasn't even in the picture in Viet Nam. 5,000 died in Iraq because they were victims of terrorists acts. They were sent to Iraq to fight terrorism in the Middle East. Our freedom here in America was never in question, nor was a question. The same in Afghanistan. Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were or are political wars. They are diplomatic wars. Our soldiers are not fighting for freedom anywhere in the world at this point. Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with our freedom here.They haven't threatened our freedom. Not once have the terrorists in Iraq or in Afghanistan threatened our freedom here in America.

We no longer fight war as war. If we did, Viet Nam was have lasted a week instead of 15 years. Iraq would have lasted a week instead of 15 years. Afghanistan would have lasted a week instead of the on-going BS that we're still doing over there. Modern wars are diplomatic/political wars, and not war as war should be. We sacrifice human lives instead of using the technology, Hi-Tech weaponry, and other means available in the 20th and 21st centuries. Human lives have no value when governments can sit around a table and use diplomacy and play politics to solve issues. Our men and women of the armed forces are not fighting for freedom or democracy. They're fighting terrorists because our government told them to.

If terrorists really wanted to do us harm, they could very easily. Our borders are open, our ports are open, and every day, people cross our borders without papers, without anyone noticing them, and without being stopped. We may have terrorists already here. We do not have security from terrorism. Fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't protect our borders, nor our infrastructure here at home. Besides, we pulled out of Viet Nam, did the "cut and run" routine, did the same in Iraq, and more than likely will do the same in Afghanistan. That tells you that we're not really fighting to fight and win, nor to rid the world of the bad guys. No one's freedom is at stake. It's all politics and diplomacy.

Who gained freedom due to Viet Nam? Who gained freedom due to Iraq? What freedom have we established in Afghanistan? How many countries have we established freedom in? How many countries have we established democracy in? At what point was our freedom in danger? Was North Viet Nam a danger to our freedom? Was Iraq a danger to our freedom? Is Afghanistan a danger to our freedom? Can terrorists attack us at any time? Is it possible that terrorists are already here on American soil? Are we fighting the terrorists in Africa? Are we fighting the terrorists in Southeast Asia? Why aren't we? We know that they train in North Africa. We know that they train in Southeast Asia.

No one has given up their freedom to fight and die unless they wanted to. Everyone that died in Iraq and in Afghanistan, went their of their own free will. They didn't give up freedom, they gave up their lives. They weren't fighting here on American soil because we were being attacked here at home. And, they certainly haven't prevented us from being attacked. We could be attacked at any minute.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But we generally go to a country and has done anything to us and shoot and kill them.

too stupid of course. Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11. It was in all the papers

 

[Sonny Clark]

But we generally go to a country and has done anything to us and shoot and kill them.

too stupid of course. Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11. It was in all the papers

Terrorists attacked us on 9/11. They were not from the same country. We did not get attacked by a country, nor by a government.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But we generally go to a country and has done anything to us and shoot and kill them.

too stupid of course. Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11. It was in all the papers

Terrorists attacked us on 9/11. They were not from the same country. We did not get attacked by a country, nor by a government.

Dear they were hosted in large part by Afghanistan. Does the liberal understand?

 

[Sonny Clark]

But we generally go to a country and has done anything to us and shoot and kill them.

too stupid of course. Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11. It was in all the papers

Terrorists attacked us on 9/11. They were not from the same country. We did not get attacked by a country, nor by a government.

Dear they were hosted in large part by Afghanistan. Does the liberal understand?

Is that a guess or do you have something that would verify that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But we generally go to a country and has done anything to us and shoot and kill them.

too stupid of course. Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11. It was in all the papers

Terrorists attacked us on 9/11. They were not from the same country. We did not get attacked by a country, nor by a government.

Dear they were hosted in large part by Afghanistan. Does the liberal understand?

Is that a guess or do you have something that would verify that?

you don't think OBL was in Afghanistan then fled to Pakistan through Tora Bora when chased by our troops?

See why we say the liberal will be stupid??

 

[9thIDdoc]

The ones that died on 9/11 didn't give up anything for freedom. They died because two planes hit the towers. Some of them never knew what happened.

And it is an fact that their freedoms were taken from them by a foreign enemy in an act of war just as the civilians in and around Pearl Harbor lost freedoms to start WWII for us. It is silly to think that foreign enemies elsewhere in the world cannot threaten the lives and freedoms of those in this country.

. The same in Afghanistan. Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were or are political wars.

True. And the same is true of ALL wars.

Human lives have no value when governments can sit around a table and use diplomacy and play politics to solve issues.

Actually that's exactly what governments are supposed to do. War is political and always has been here and everywhere else.

Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with our freedom here.

Wrong. No difference to our fighting in France and so many other countries in WWI, WWII, and other wars.

Who gained freedom due to Viet Nam?

The North Vietnamese gained the freedom to rape South Vietnam (our ally) as a result of decisions made by our government. Vietnam was in fact part of the Cold War. Had we lost that America would now be Communist which I certainly consider a loss of freedom.

No one has given up their freedom to fight and die unless they wanted to.

Really? Bullspit. Please name one person whoever wanted to fight and did. Our soldiers die, when and wherever they do, to protect the freedoms of Americans. To minimize that contribution to our well being is simply shameful.

 

[Sonny Clark]

But we generally go to a country and has done anything to us and shoot and kill them.

too stupid of course. Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11. It was in all the papers

Terrorists attacked us on 9/11. They were not from the same country. We did not get attacked by a country, nor by a government.

Dear they were hosted in large part by Afghanistan. Does the liberal understand?

Is that a guess or do you have something that would verify that?

you don't think OBL was in Afghanistan then fled to Pakistan through Tora Bora when chased by our troops?

See why we say the liberal will be stupid??

OBL didn't fly the planes into the towers. OBL was in several countries. We trained him in North Africa years prior to 9/11. He was in Iraq and Afghanistan. But he wasn't working for the Afghan government. Afghanistan was not responsible for 9/11. Can you show me something that says differently? Or, are you just guessing?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

OBL didn't fly the planes into the towers.?

nobody said he did dummy!!!!

 

[Sonny Clark]

The ones that died on 9/11 didn't give up anything for freedom. They died because two planes hit the towers. Some of them never knew what happened.

And it is an fact that their freedoms were taken from them by a foreign enemy in an act of war just as the civilians in and around Pearl Harbor lost freedoms to start WWII for us. It is silly to think that foreign enemies elsewhere in the world cannot threaten the lives and freedoms of those in this country.

. The same in Afghanistan. Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were or are political wars.

True. And the same is true of ALL wars.

Human lives have no value when governments can sit around a table and use diplomacy and play politics to solve issues.

Actually that's exactly what governments are supposed to do. War is political and always has been here and everywhere else.

Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with our freedom here.

Wrong. No difference to our fighting in France and so many other countries in WWI, WWII, and other wars.

Who gained freedom due to Viet Nam?

The North Vietnamese gained the freedom to rape South Vietnam (our ally) as a result of decisions made by our government. Vietnam was in fact part of the Cold War. Had we lost that America would now be Communist which I certainly consider a loss of freedom.

No one has given up their freedom to fight and die unless they wanted to.

Really? Bullspit. Please name one person whoever wanted to fight and did. Our soldiers die, when and wherever they do, to protect the freedoms of Americans. To minimize that contribution to our well being is simply shameful.

The planes took their lives, not their freedom. No, it's not true of all wars. It wasn't true in WWI or in WWII. No, wars are not always politically fought. WWI and WWII was fought on the battle fields and not sitting at a table. Yes, there was a huge different in fighting in WWI and WWII. Those two wars were WORLD wars. We were standing by our allies, and we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Big different. We did lose the war in Viet Nam. We pulled out without a victory. We lost 60,000 soldiers for nothing. And, north Viet Nam didn't change. They remain communist. We accomplished absolutely nothing in Viet Nam. Our freedom wasn't in danger in Viet Nam, Iraq, or in Afghanistan. And the soldiers were not fighting for our freedom, it wasn't in danger. Soldiers were drafted into service during Viet Nam. I was drafted. I served in the U.S.M.C. 1967-1970. I never saw our freedom in danger. We were fighting in Viet Nam for South Viet Nam, not for America. North Viet Nam didn't attack us on our soil. What contributions did our soldiers make in Iraq and in Afghanistan? They went and fought because they wanted to and because they were told to. Not a single one was drafted into the service.

 

[Sonny Clark]

OBL didn't fly the planes into the towers.?

nobody said he did dummy!!!!

Then why did you mention OBL ?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

OBL didn't fly the planes into the towers.?

nobody said he did dummy!!!!

Then why did you mention OBL ?

OBL was commander dummy!! Do you try to look stupid???