Tommy Tainant
Diamond Member
Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
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you dont realize the individual in america is far stronger than your average brit and have no problems like you subjects have,,Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
Oh my father had a DNR, that is a very important document for all to sign.It cost a lot of money to keep someone alive. No question it’s better for Medicare and hospice when someone dies In a day or two Rather than three weeks. They don’t want you to live past 30 days. It’s funny we all wish they would give us a pill that puts us to sleep and we don’t wake up, but we won’t give the pill to our loveone who’s dying. We hold on as long as we can.Hospice in home.Cheapness. We went through it with my mom. Is it worse when the person is put into hospice? It shouldn’t be. If you have to give up Medicare to get hospice, that shouldn’t be a downgrade it should be an upgrade. And give them enough morphine that it will kill them. Stop the needless sufferingMedicare is God awful.Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.
Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- VA
- Group
- Individual
- Indigent
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill
What was Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies that prevented him from receiving meds for pain?
Most of the time a person who is admitted to hospice you have to give up all other meds except for pain relief. His post wasn't clear he mentioned ER and hospice. So ER denied relief or hospice? IV morphine is not that expensive but then again Medicare approved cost is much lower than what a hospital or hospice would charge. Was it a hospice facility or hospice in home?
You are correct, when you sign on to receive hospice care, which is wonderful, you are prohibited to receive any sort of life sustaining care. Which on the surface sounds okay. But in many cases, "comfort care" and sustaining care cross paths. Like I said, he would get dehydrated which can and does cause all manner of painful and uncomfortable symptoms. It is absurd that they won't even allow simple IV meds, that are not expensive and work very quickly.
He got sick in late October, and died in January. But got bad-bad in December.
My father died eventually of starvation. Which is what kills a great many people in hospice care. Dad lost the ability to swallow, but was still fairly conscious and aware. I want everyone to think about that. He knew what was going on. He knew he was wasting away. He knew he was going to die, not from the illness, but from the inability to simply receive intravenous vitamins/glucose etc. so he could at least die peacefully.
So we had to choose to kill him.
The day before we put him in the nursing home, he was sitting up and interacting with us. He could sort of speak, not because of mental decline, but because of his brain tumor. He was aware, smiled at us...and could kind of laugh at something funny....to what physical capacity he could still laugh. HE WAS CONCIOUS.
But he could not stay in the hospital. Because medicare won't pay for it.
So we sent him to a nursing home. They basically gave him enough morphine to shut everything down. He never regained consciousness and died in just over 24 hours. Where 24 hours before he was a living, conscious human being. Aware and interacting with his family. But medicare will not pay fot that. But they will gladly pay for the morphine to kill you.
They asked if we wanted to put my grandmother on a neck breather. They had to take the tube out of her throat. Do we want to have the machine breath for her via the neck and she’ll live for months maybe a year that way? Fuck no. Take the tube out. If she can’t breath on her own she’ll die. Ok fine. She wouldn’t want to be bed ridden with a breathing machine hooked up to her neck.
Bullshit. I have seen the documentaries. You do not treat your elderly any better.Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
Wrong, conservatives weren't "fine" with Romneycare and knew that it was a dumb idea.........
Well you got it right that far at least!
I would love to get into a complete discussion with you on more issues besides health care, but you probably wouldn't get much enjoyment out of it.
My commie head is already exploding with anticipation.
I assert that the US HC system is a colossal goat fuck because of government.Well you got it right that far at least!
I would love to get into a complete discussion with you on more issues besides health care, but you probably wouldn't get much enjoyment out of it.
My commie head is already exploding with anticipation.
I have been to places where government does not regulate the industry into paralysis without an army of lawyers that do nothing but research regulations, search for compliance issues, interfere with the relationship between providers and patients, and generally absorb more of the revenue than the people who actually wear scrubs and deal with their customers.
I happen to have been treated in foreign countries from a variety of ailments, and know others who have had to seek treatment here in the US because that was somehow still better than waiting in europe or canada for routines that cost a fraction without the wait.
This ought to be fucking hysterical....
You may want to go back to the days of barbers and snake oil salesmen but I like the fact the government set standards.whos going back a 100yrs,, I'm talking about when the medicaid act was passed that put the government deep into the system,,I don't think you can compare the cost of care 100 years ago with the cost today. We took the easy way out by giving businesses and employees tax breaks instead of keeping them separately funded.true,, but before the government got involved they werent needed as much as they are now,,,They are often the only game in town since most of us get health insurance through our employer.thats a stupid question,,,Who elected those insurance company bureaucrats?not when unelected bureacrats decide who lives or dies,,Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which was to have the explicit task of achieving specified savings in Medicare without affecting coverage or quality.
Isn't that what we all want?
we chose to do business with them,, not forced to at the point of a gun,,,
if you look deep into it you will see a lot of restriction and controls of the whole system not just medicaid,,
Their life expectancy is in the sewer Tommy, and so is their infant mortality rate completely over the top for a modern democratic country. However, both could be influenced negatively by gun violence as well as a healthcare system that belongs in the 19th. century!Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
theyve gone way past setting standards,,,You may want to go back to the days of barbers and snake oil salesmen but I like the fact the government set standards.whos going back a 100yrs,, I'm talking about when the medicaid act was passed that put the government deep into the system,,I don't think you can compare the cost of care 100 years ago with the cost today. We took the easy way out by giving businesses and employees tax breaks instead of keeping them separately funded.true,, but before the government got involved they werent needed as much as they are now,,,They are often the only game in town since most of us get health insurance through our employer.thats a stupid question,,,Who elected those insurance company bureaucrats?not when unelected bureacrats decide who lives or dies,,Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which was to have the explicit task of achieving specified savings in Medicare without affecting coverage or quality.
Isn't that what we all want?
we chose to do business with them,, not forced to at the point of a gun,,,
if you look deep into it you will see a lot of restriction and controls of the whole system not just medicaid,,
Sad isn’t it? My mom had real bad Alzheimer’s. I wonder who had it worse her or your father. Do you want to know your life is over or be so out of it you dont know what’s happening to you. Either way it’s sad and I feel real bad for you or anyone else who goes through it. Which will be all of us eventually. I remember my sister in law helping us through it With my mom. It’s not the same unless it’s your close family member. Now her parents are getting old and her father has some pretty bad health problems. I wish more of us passed away in our sleep. That’s the easiest death for all of us to accept.Oh my father had a DNR, that is a very important document for all to sign.It cost a lot of money to keep someone alive. No question it’s better for Medicare and hospice when someone dies In a day or two Rather than three weeks. They don’t want you to live past 30 days. It’s funny we all wish they would give us a pill that puts us to sleep and we don’t wake up, but we won’t give the pill to our loveone who’s dying. We hold on as long as we can.Hospice in home.Cheapness. We went through it with my mom. Is it worse when the person is put into hospice? It shouldn’t be. If you have to give up Medicare to get hospice, that shouldn’t be a downgrade it should be an upgrade. And give them enough morphine that it will kill them. Stop the needless sufferingMedicare is God awful.Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.
Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- VA
- Group
- Individual
- Indigent
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill
What was Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies that prevented him from receiving meds for pain?
Most of the time a person who is admitted to hospice you have to give up all other meds except for pain relief. His post wasn't clear he mentioned ER and hospice. So ER denied relief or hospice? IV morphine is not that expensive but then again Medicare approved cost is much lower than what a hospital or hospice would charge. Was it a hospice facility or hospice in home?
You are correct, when you sign on to receive hospice care, which is wonderful, you are prohibited to receive any sort of life sustaining care. Which on the surface sounds okay. But in many cases, "comfort care" and sustaining care cross paths. Like I said, he would get dehydrated which can and does cause all manner of painful and uncomfortable symptoms. It is absurd that they won't even allow simple IV meds, that are not expensive and work very quickly.
He got sick in late October, and died in January. But got bad-bad in December.
My father died eventually of starvation. Which is what kills a great many people in hospice care. Dad lost the ability to swallow, but was still fairly conscious and aware. I want everyone to think about that. He knew what was going on. He knew he was wasting away. He knew he was going to die, not from the illness, but from the inability to simply receive intravenous vitamins/glucose etc. so he could at least die peacefully.
So we had to choose to kill him.
The day before we put him in the nursing home, he was sitting up and interacting with us. He could sort of speak, not because of mental decline, but because of his brain tumor. He was aware, smiled at us...and could kind of laugh at something funny....to what physical capacity he could still laugh. HE WAS CONCIOUS.
But he could not stay in the hospital. Because medicare won't pay for it.
So we sent him to a nursing home. They basically gave him enough morphine to shut everything down. He never regained consciousness and died in just over 24 hours. Where 24 hours before he was a living, conscious human being. Aware and interacting with his family. But medicare will not pay fot that. But they will gladly pay for the morphine to kill you.
They asked if we wanted to put my grandmother on a neck breather. They had to take the tube out of her throat. Do we want to have the machine breath for her via the neck and she’ll live for months maybe a year that way? Fuck no. Take the tube out. If she can’t breath on her own she’ll die. Ok fine. She wouldn’t want to be bed ridden with a breathing machine hooked up to her neck.
But he wasn't suffering. He was dehydrated only. He was conscious, able to communicate with us... he watched football with my brother and I.
The problem was his tumor removed/effected a number of his motor skills, including swallowing. He couldn't swallow much at a time, and water was too fast. He could swallow creamed foods. Thus why he would get dehydrated. But because medicare refused to pay the hospital would not allow him to stay. And the nursing home, under hospice rules, could not give him IV liquids. So we all sat in a room with the hospital staff doctor, some family care person while they explained this to us. In the end the decision was to place him in the nursing home where they would "keep him comfortable" aka - high doses of morphine which will put him to sleep and cause multiple organ failure... die.
He was not suffering in bad pain. He was communicative and aware of what was happening.
Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.
Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- VA
- Group
- Individual
- Indigent
My mom was being helped by the nurses and nurses aids at the hospital. As soon as she went on hospice the hospital couldn’t lift a finger for her. We had to call hospice for anything and they weren’t there 24/7.Medicare is God awful.Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.
Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- VA
- Group
- Individual
- Indigent
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill
What was Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies that prevented him from receiving meds for pain?
I assert that the US HC system is a colossal goat fuck because of government.
Exactly! it's a goatfk and and it's because of the corrupt US government that is bought and paid for by lobbyists who work for big insurance companies. Let me know if we're togethr on that so far.
I have been to places where government does not regulate the industry into paralysis without an army of lawyers that do nothing but research regulations, search for compliance issues, interfere with the relationship between providers and patients, and generally absorb more of the revenue than the people who actually wear scrubs and deal with their customers.
Likewise, I have too! I think that's a good description of Canada's and B.C.'s health care system. And I've been to Cuba many times too. Their healthcare system is always rated as one place worse than America's, so I can't say if that's good or bad. One thing for sure it that it is superb for a banana republic and that it puts an entirely different light on poverty! Ask me how. And also please note that I had to guess at the meaning of that remark from you because of poor sentence structure! Something about not needing an army of lawyers in places you've been, and then regulations tacked on to make it more confusing??
I happen to have been treated in foreign countries from a variety of ailments, and know others who have had to seek treatment here in the US because that was somehow still better than waiting in europe or canada for routines that cost a fraction without the wait.
Could you give some consideration to sentence structure? I'm not ignoring you or trying to be rude, some of your sentences are a bit garbled. It's o.k. to break your thoughts into shorter sentences for the sake of getting your point across.
This ought to be fucking hysterical....
I did not insult you at any point once I accepted your challenge to debate me, which you totally failed to do. In fact all you did was support my position that collectivism is not working for people. If a few bad words create moisture in your diaper it might be time to man the fuck up, get off your high horse and stand up for whatever it is you believe in. Secondly, if you're another one of these euroweenie turds inserting yourself into conversations about US politics I have to wonder why you can't concentrate on fixing your own shit hole country.I wouldn't go quite that far.
(please bring your profanity and personal insults under control. It's not my preference to have to report Americans for bad behaviour)
I think we're going to get along just fine!
Um, three.Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.
Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- VA
- Group
- Individual
- Indigent
How many of them are GOVERNMENT programs?
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Nonsense.Their life expectancy is in the sewer Tommy, and so is their infant mortality rate completely over the top for a modern democratic country. However, both could be influenced negatively by gun violence as well as a healthcare system that belongs in the 19th. century!Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
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Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2025) - Worldometer
List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chartwww.worldometers.info
Ive seen stats that explain the US pays double for healthcare than other countries. Thats great but there is very little difference in the outcomes.Their life expectancy is in the sewer Tommy, and so is their infant mortality rate completely over the top for a modern democratic country. However, both could be influenced negatively by gun violence as well as a healthcare system that belongs in the 19th. century!Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
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Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2025) - Worldometer
List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chartwww.worldometers.info
Smart systems and government are mutually exclusive. Just about all Federal expansion that has happened over the last 100 years has resulted in massive inefficiencies and fraud which of course tax payers pay for. And of course the tax code itself continues to grow despite the tepid calls for "simplification".Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.
Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- VA
- Group
- Individual
- Indigent
Have you read the Heritage idea?Wrong, conservatives weren't "fine" with Romneycare and knew that it was a dumb idea.........
Actually, they thought nothing of the sort.
In 2008, Mitt Romney was a major contender for president and in 2012 he got the nomination. The idea that you guys were totally against it is kind of silly.
Heck, let's not forget, the original idea for expanding private insurance came from the Heritage Foundation as a counter-proposal to HillaryCare.
You guys just love to repeat bad information don't you? And it doesn't matter how many times you are corrected, with proof, you just keep parroting the same narrative. Over and over.Ive seen stats that explain the US pays double for healthcare than other countries. Thats great but there is very little difference in the outcomes.Their life expectancy is in the sewer Tommy, and so is their infant mortality rate completely over the top for a modern democratic country. However, both could be influenced negatively by gun violence as well as a healthcare system that belongs in the 19th. century!Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.
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Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2025) - Worldometer
List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chartwww.worldometers.info
It suggests that there are several parties to the transactions who have a vested interest in preserving the current set up. Probably through buying politicians.