Why GWB will be one of the greatest Presidents in MY LIFETIME...

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When I first became aware of "presidents" was Eisenhower.
With the Presidents that followed only two will be to me the "greatest" Presidents.
NOW dealing strictly WITH HISTORICAL FACTS!!!

Faced with:
The misery index was initiated by economist Arthur Okun, an adviser to President Lyndon Johnson in the 1960's.

It is simply the unemployment rate added to the inflation rate.

The misery index under President Jimmy Carter averaged 16.26, with a high of 20.76 in 1980.
At one time under Carter,

Then President Ronald Reagan took over the index was 17.97, his highest.
If any president had an excuse to blame the previous administration, Reagan did.
Instead the misery index declined to 9.57 at the end of 1988.... a 9.61 points reduction or 53% reduction!!!

So looking at the inflation rate for the highest in history:
1980 annual inflation rate was 13.58% with March 1980 it reach 14.76% .

So the unemployment rate was in 1982 9.71% BUT using the Obama standard blame the previous President Carter...

From the highest it declined under Reagan to in 1988 5.49% again a nearly 43% drop in unemployment.

So At this point The greatest President was Reagan! Dropped inflation by 50% and unemployment dropped by 40%!
Two simplest measures of "greatness" in the Presidents in my life time.


BUT in my lifetime NO president had these 4 monumental cataclysmic events and historians will verify these FACTS as idiots seem to forget
what happened from 2001 to 2008!

Then we have G.W.Bush..
His unemployment rates:
2001 4.74
2002 5.78
2003 5.99
2004 5.54
2005 5.08
2006 4.61
2007 4.62
2008 5.80

Did ANY EXECUTIVE ACTIONS on the Part of GWB CAUSE THESE EVENTS to happen???

1) Recession that started under Clinton ended 11/01.
Specifically, 50.8 million jobs were lost through the first six quarters of the ‘01 recession .
Heritage Employment Report: February Continues Winter Blues
The 2001 recession officially started 03/2001... BUT the steps leading up to it started under Clinton!

DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value..
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Hard to believe but people forget that 9/11 occurred!
It cost $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.

Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.

Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina,made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Largest Gross Domestic Product in history!!
When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12.355,271,000,000
when Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

Bush growth of the GDP was greater then Clinton in 2005 GDP grew at 6.5% Clinton's best:6.4%
Measuring Worth - GDP result.

When Bush started 131,785,000 people employed.
At the end of 2008 136,790,000 people employed or

5,000,000 more employed then when he took office.

DID THIS HAPPEN???
Oh and did I mention along the way when "Mission Accomplished" occurred after less then six weeks of combat in May 2003.. 10 years ago..
that over 1 million Iraq people were saved from starving?
50,000 people a year were starving under Saddam and when he was removed, (by the way at the request of Kerry,Pelosi, and 90% of the 28 million Iraqis)
the UN mandated embargo was removed.

Researcher Richard Garfield estimated that "a minimum of 100,000 and a more likely estimate of 227,000 excess deaths among young children from August 1991 through March 1998" from all causes including sanctions. Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So given the above EVENTS that GWB FACED that IN MY LIFETIME NO other president had to face GWB will be known as one of the GREATEST Presidents"

SO all you people that boo,bash Bush.. and will want to trash this for once use your brains!
A) GWB Faced a recession meaning slower businesses lost jobs, lost taxes!
B) A MAJOR ATTACK on the soil of the USA not only our economic center WTC but our military center the Pentagon! No president EVER had that tremendous blow
to the American psyche! If none of you were around then or conveniently forget REMEMBER the anthrax attacks right afterwards and how with the terrorists
destructions wow... where were idiots that forget this?
C) Worst hurricane SEASONS (PLURAL) most destructive and most hurricanes from 2003 to 2008! You can believe the relatives of the 3,000 lost lives, the employees
and homeowners will never forget... WHY do you idiots forget!!



By the way here is Obama's unemployment record...
2009 9.28 Obama
2010 9.63
2011 8.95
2012 8.08
 

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GWB compared to Obama would fit that title, but then again most presidents would be the greatest president of all time over Obama.
 
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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
 

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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
Troll...

Bush II was no great Prez.. but spending is a problem, not the amount taken in by taxation (and note also that the tax cuts were more beneficial to people in the middle class than anyone else)

Katrina was not a Bush responsibility.. plenty of blame to go around there

War causes casualties

Iraq should have paid for its own rebuilding... you don't get arguments from conservatives there

We get the picture completely... you are indeed one of the worst parrot trolls on this board
 

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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
Get real dean, talking points? Really? Anyway katrina was a failure because a democrat mayor and govenor.
 
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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
DID THIS HAPPEN???
Oh and did I mention along the way when "Mission Accomplished" occurred after less then six weeks of combat in May 2003.. 10 years ago..
that over 1 million Iraq people were saved from starving?
50,000 people a year were starving under Saddam and when he was removed, (by the way at the request of Kerry,Pelosi, and 90% of the 28 million Iraqis)
the UN mandated embargo was removed.
 
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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
Troll...

Bush II was no great Prez.. but spending is a problem, not the amount taken in by taxation (and note also that the tax cuts were more beneficial to people in the middle class than anyone else)

Katrina was not a Bush responsibility.. plenty of blame to go around there

War causes casualties

Iraq should have paid for its own rebuilding... you don't get arguments from conservatives there

We get the picture completely... you are indeed one of the worst parrot trolls on this board
First of all where are YOUR facts? YOUR links???

The first thing ANY intelligent person reading these threads looks for is substantiation, sources, WHERE in the F>>>K are YOURS?
Pure speculation on your part! Nothing but OPINION based ON NO FACTS...
So once again... idiots like you are shown exactly what you are IDIOTS because YOU don't prove any of your wild stupid comments..

HERE ARE THE FACTS and TRY to refute them!!!!

Bush expenditures and revenue.. FACTS

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200]Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary
  • Year Outlays Revenues Surplus/(deficit) more going out then coming in..
  • 2000 $2.026 Trillion $ 1.789 Trillion $236.2 billion
  • 2001 1.991 1.862 126.6
  • 2002 1.853 2.010 (157.8 billion deficit) $5 trillion dot.com busts $66 billion in reduced revenue - 300,000 mostly high paying jobs gone Recession started 3/01 ended 11/01.
  • 2003 1.782 2.159 (377.6 billion deficit) $2 trillion 9/11 losses - $33 billion LOST TAX revenue PLUS loans , plus 146,000 jobs GONE
  • 2004 1.880 2.252 (412.7 billion deficit) $600 billion in Homeland startup costs
  • 2005 2.153 2.472 (318.3 billion deficit) $1 trillion from worst hurricane SEASONS in history $12 billion lost revenue
  • 2006 2.406 2.655 (248.2 billion deficit)
  • 2007 2.568 2.728 (160.7 billion deficit)
  • 2008 2.524 2.982 (458.6 billion deficit)
BUT NOTE revenue was increasing and deficits were declining..
  • Year Receipts Outlays deficit % Outlays increase
  • 2011 $ 2.303 $3.603 $1.300
  • 2012 2.469 3.796 $1.327 5.4% up
  • 2013 2.902 3.803 $ .981 .2% up
  • 2014 3.215 3.883 $ .668 2.1% up
  • 2015 3.450 4.060 $ .610 4.6% up
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/budget.pdf


WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS dummy F....K????
 

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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
Once again the debunked far left talking points reappear as if they are "fact".
 

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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
Get real dean, talking points? Really? Anyway katrina was a failure because a democrat mayor and govenor.
Did he rebuild his chocolate city?
 
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YOU ARE RIGHT!!! "Talking points" 30 sec sound bites... easy to digest but totally devoid of the realities!

GWB will be considered a "great" President because of the 4 cataclysmic events that occurred:
1) Recession/Dot.com bust... 2) 9/11 WTC/Pentagon... 3) Hurricanes... 4) Economic terrorist attack 9/18/08 which almost collapsed the world economy!
So why are people forgetting these events... even stupid GOP accusing Bush of spending like a drunken sailor!
Geez.. we were at war with an unknown enemy that destroyed trillions of dollars jobs,buildings,assets, LIVES lost and yet everyone forgets that!
And these idiots even GOPs forget these quotes from Democrats:

32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.



"Between 1999 and 2001, the U.S. and British-led air forces in Iraq dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs in response to purported violations of the no-fly zones and anti-aircraft fire from Saddam Hussein.

90% of Americans were ready to take out Saddam even before Bush!!!
 

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Move along, folks. Every month or so, healthmyths starts this same topic. With the same font size and color. I think it is just a copy and paste from the last time he posted this.

He ignores the economic crash at the end of Bush's term which completely dwarfed the 2001 recession.

We were bleeding 600,000 jobs a month the day Bush left office. Over $20 trillion of wealth was wiped out. Unemployment reached double digits. 8 million people lost their jobs. That's all on Bush.

No comparison, no matter how big or how red you try to make your fonts, healthmyths.

And Reagan did blame his predecessor. Rightfully so. It is why he won.

The only way someone could possibly think Bush was the greatest president of their lifetime is if they were born during his Administration. Because the only President Bush beats out, by just a hair, is Obama.

You have to go all the way back to Buchanan to find a bigger fuckup than this pair.

I thought Bush's folksy schtick was just an act. Until he demobilized the Iraqi Army. Then I realized he actually is an idiot. A real bonafide idiot of the first caliber. That move is going to go down as the biggest American military blunder in history.

And creating a cabinet level Department of Homeland Security? A police state? That's not American greatness. No sir. Not by a long shot.

Oh, yeah. He also doubled the national debt, and created a massive new trillion dollar entitlement program. This is greatness? :lol:
 
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GW presided over not securing the Southern border, thus driving down wages for Blue Collar workers.
GW presided over the largest increase in business visas in history resulting in millions of skilled engineers and software developers losing their jobs.

But most importantly, you don't get to average out 8 years when you leave the nation in it's worst economic meltdown in history.

GW will go down as one of the 3 or 4 worst presidents ever.
 

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What about the trillions in debt from stupid tax cuts for the rich?

The couple of thousand dead from neglect after Katrina?

The tens of thousands dead and maimed in Iraq?

The trillions lost rebuilding Iraq.

The.......well, you get the picture.
Yeah, we get the picture.

Smears and lies which can't stand up to in depth scrutiny.

GWB was a great POTUS!
 

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Move along, folks. Every month or so, healthmyths starts this same topic.

He ignores the economic crash at the end of Bush's term which completely dwarfed the 2001 recession.

We were bleeding 600,000 jobs a month the day Bush left office. Over $20 trillion of wealth was wiped out. Unemployment reached double digits. 8 million people lost their jobs. That's all on Bush.

No comparison, no matter how big or how red you try to make your fonts, healthmyths.

And Reagan did blame his predecessor. Rightfully so. It is why he won.

The only way someone could possibly think Bush was the greatest president of their lifetime is if they were born during his Administration. Because the only President Bush beats out, by just a hair, is Obama.

You have to go all the way back to Buchanan to find a bigger fuckup than this pair.
why does he do this? I thought it was a satire thread at first. :eusa_eh:

voluntary, unpaid-for, multi- TRILLION $ wars w/ 1000's of casualties & 10's of 1000's of injured who will need med care for life ($$$), Rummy, ENRON, Monica Goodling, Gonzales, Turd Blossom/The Architect, taxcuts during wartime, Jeff Gannon (fake rw reporter at bush press briefings), and creating the ginormous police state like you said. To top it off, Iraq is siding w/ Syria aren't they?

 
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If George W. Bush is the right wing bar for greatness, it certainly explains the rapid deterioration of the Republican Party in the past couple decades.

Bush greater than Reagan! Hoooooooooleeeeeeeeee shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

If this doesn't help you understand why I stopped voting, I don't know what else to tell ya! :lol:
 
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Healthmyths is seriously ill/sick in the head. Not because of his views, but because he has like a five thread repertoire that he keeps repeating over and over and over. Disgusting.
 

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GW presided over not securing the Southern border, thus driving down wages for Blue Collar workers.
GW presided over the largest increase in business visas in history resulting in millions of skilled engineers and software developers losing their jobs.

But most importantly, you don't get to average out 8 years when you leave the nation in it's worst economic meltdown in history.

GW will go down as one of the 3 or 4 worst presidents ever.
You are making a judgement on the Best POTUS on the basis of BUSINESS VISAS???

Be real.

And you'll never believe Obama's important role in the 2008 meltdown.

Fact Check: Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown Than Bush Ever Did

Here’s something you’ll never read about in the liberal media.
Barack Obama played a leading role in the mortgage crisis of 2008 that sunk the US economy.

In his early activist days, Barack Obama the community organizer sued banks to ease lending practices.

Here’s something you’ll never read about in the liberal media.

Barack Obama played a leading role in the mortgage crisis of 2008 that sunk the US economy.

In his early activist days, Barack Obama the community organizer sued banks to ease lending practices.

(PHOTO)

State Sen. Barack Obama and crackpot priest Michael Pfleger led a protest in Chicago in January 2000. (NBC 5 Week of January 3, 2000)

In 1994, Barack Obama was one of the plaintiffs in a class action lawsuit, alleging that Citibank had engaged in practices that discriminated against minorities. The lawsuit forced the bank to ease its lending practices.

The Daily Caller reported:

President Barack Obama was a pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble, and roughly half of the 186 African-American clients in his landmark 1995 mortgage discrimination lawsuit against Citibank have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices…

…Obama has pursued the same top-down mortgage lending policies in the White House.

Obama’s lawsuit was one element of a national “anti-redlining” campaign led by Chicago’s progressive groups, who argued that banks unfairly refused to lend money to people living within so-called “redlines” around African-American communities. The campaign was powered by progressives’ moral claim that their expertise could boost home ownership among the United States’ most disadvantaged minority, African-Americans.

Then there’s Bush…

On the flip side, President George W. Bush warned the Democratic Congress 17 times in 2008 alone about the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.

Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

To this day Barack Obama blames Bush for the 2008 economic meltdown.

The truth is, it was Obama not Bush who destroyed the economy.
Fact Check: Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown Than Bush Ever Did | The Gateway Pundit
 

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It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that people who think like healthmyths does would think GW Bush is the greatest president of the last 60 years.

I think we might do best to leave him to argue with conservatives who might not think that Bush was a better president than Reagan.
 

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Well maybe if you are about 15 years old with a terminal illness and about 6 months to live.

Otherwise -- not so much.

Actually i dont hate bush the way a lot of people do but he wasnt a good president. he cant get away from his weapons of mass destruction screwup (i beleive it was a huge error, not a lie as those on the left insist) and he also lost the support of a lot of his base. His political operation was so inept it helped pave the way for Barrack Obama much the way Caret did for Reagan. I think he is a very nice gracious well-intended man. But he was not a great president and i dont see how he will ever be viewed as one. History tends to be kinder on all presidents but he wont be seen as great or even very good im sad to say.
 

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GW presided over not securing the Southern border, thus driving down wages for Blue Collar workers.
GW presided over the largest increase in business visas in history resulting in millions of skilled engineers and software developers losing their jobs.

But most importantly, you don't get to average out 8 years when you leave the nation in it's worst economic meltdown in history.

GW will go down as one of the 3 or 4 worst presidents ever.
You are making a judgement on the Best POTUS on the basis of BUSINESS VISAS???

Be real.

And you'll never believe Obama's important role in the 2008 meltdown.

Fact Check: Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown Than Bush Ever Did

Here’s something you’ll never read about in the liberal media.
Barack Obama played a leading role in the mortgage crisis of 2008 that sunk the US economy.

In his early activist days, Barack Obama the community organizer sued banks to ease lending practices.

Here’s something you’ll never read about in the liberal media.

Barack Obama played a leading role in the mortgage crisis of 2008 that sunk the US economy.

In his early activist days, Barack Obama the community organizer sued banks to ease lending practices.

(PHOTO)

State Sen. Barack Obama and crackpot priest Michael Pfleger led a protest in Chicago in January 2000. (NBC 5 Week of January 3, 2000)

In 1994, Barack Obama was one of the plaintiffs in a class action lawsuit, alleging that Citibank had engaged in practices that discriminated against minorities. The lawsuit forced the bank to ease its lending practices.

The Daily Caller reported:

President Barack Obama was a pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble, and roughly half of the 186 African-American clients in his landmark 1995 mortgage discrimination lawsuit against Citibank have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices…

…Obama has pursued the same top-down mortgage lending policies in the White House.

Obama’s lawsuit was one element of a national “anti-redlining” campaign led by Chicago’s progressive groups, who argued that banks unfairly refused to lend money to people living within so-called “redlines” around African-American communities. The campaign was powered by progressives’ moral claim that their expertise could boost home ownership among the United States’ most disadvantaged minority, African-Americans.

Then there’s Bush…

On the flip side, President George W. Bush warned the Democratic Congress 17 times in 2008 alone about the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.

Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

To this day Barack Obama blames Bush for the 2008 economic meltdown.

The truth is, it was Obama not Bush who destroyed the economy.
Fact Check: Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown Than Bush Ever Did | The Gateway Pundit
That's one of the funniest rightwing myths of all time.
 

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