Why don't you want to tax the rich?

[Nostra]

Oh, did Biden have a higher 3rd quarter in 2023 than Trump?

2023?

The numbers show Tater handed Trump a tanking economy.

 

[task0778]

Here's of my favorite quotes from Wealth of Nations. Just want to share it, hoping to entice you to read it.

Is this improvement in the circumstances of the lower ranks of the people to be regarded as an advantage, or as an inconveniency, to the society?

Some would say the improvement of circumstances for an individual is incumbent on the individual rather than society (gov't). It's one thing if an individual can't, but it's another if they can but won't. And still another if the individual obtains wealth through fraudulent means, either rich or poor.




"No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable."

I do not believe the far greater part of our society are poor and miserable. The standard of living in this country is pretty good compared to the rest of the world.




" they who feed, clothe, and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, clothed, and lodged."

They who feed, clothe, and lodge the whole body of the people do so in part due to the wealth that is invested in enterprises that allow people to do those things. And I'm pretty sure that workers in this country are more than tolerably well fed, clothed, and lodged.

Understand this: when you raise taxes of the investor class, you are reducing the amount of investments of production of food, clothing, and housing. You are making the ROI (Return On Investment) lower and that is not a good thing for any society. The investors both foreign and domestic will instead put their money into non-taxable assets or they will invest in other countries.

 

[Company 13]

Congresional compromise was a thing of the past century and it was betrayed by the left's refusal to compromise on any single issue.

Come on now. You don't believe that. I'll admit we were stubborn about wanting to end segregation and to advance women's right. But surely the right had items they were recalcitrant about. Let's see if we can think of anything.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Looks like Tater handed Trump a tanking economy.
Amazing how fast he turned it around. -0.6% to 3.8% in one quarter,
Nice job, President Trump.

As the left has been telling us Trump owns the economy ever since he raised tariffs, they can;t do anything but give him credit for the strong growth, low inflation, and full employment.

Without lying, anyway.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Oh, did Biden have a higher 3rd quarter in 2023 than Trump?

Oh look.
Another lie.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I live within my means. In fact, I live beneath my means because if freaking frugal and like to pile up money.

Impressive - for a 19yr old college kid.

 

[Company 13]

The Founding generation believed in limited government, states rights, and a willingness to debate and even fight for their beliefs.

I like that idea. I've been thinking lately that there should be a cage fight on the White House lawn to settle a few things. AOC against Trump, since he's the healthiest president ever in history.
I think she can whip his ass. Hey, I think Pelosi could whip him.

 

[rightwinger]

Congresional compromise was a thing of the past century and it was betrayed by the left's refusal to compromise on any single issue.

The left worked on bipartisan legislation with Bush
Once Obama was elected, Republicans refused to work on any issue no matter how insignificant.

You reap what you sow

 

[Company 13]

Impressive for a 19yr old college kid.

Who is the 19 year old college kid?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am not going to go back through this topic to help you.

Ran away from your lie, eh?
Smart.
Concession accepted.

 

[Company 13]

Oh look.
Another lie.

I'm looking at that chart. In 2023, Biden's 3rd quarter was 4.7 and in 2025, Trump's 3rd quarter was 4.3.
I won't call you a liar though, cause I'm nice.

 

[Nostra]

I'm looking at that chart. In 2023, Biden's 3rd quarter was 4.7 and in 2025, Trump's 3rd quarter was 4.3.
I won't call you a liar though, cause I'm nice.

Tater handed off a shrinking economy.

 

[Luckyone]

A fools errand as it will accomplish nothing it is trying the same thing over and over expecting different results

So you are saying "change for the sake of change even though the probabilities (due to the actions being taken) favor a worse result?

What would you consider to be healthy for all and since when is the government the same as the country

Healthy for all is when everyone is getting a benefit from the country. The government is the country, given that without a government you have no country. Since 1776, we have had a government (3 branches of it plus the Supreme Court) and that is what has worked. The government right now is not working to be "of the people, by the people and for the people". It is working to be a Dictatorship country where the people "in charge" of the country are in it for themselves and the rest "be screwed".

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'm looking at that chart. In 2023...

Aww, look at you, trying to move the goalposts,

YOU said LAST year. That's Q3/2024 vs Q3/2025

You were wrong. Admit it.

 

[Company 13]

Tater handed off a shrinking economy.

Biden inherited a bad economy.

 

[Luckyone]

The article talks about capital gains vs income tax. The very wealthy, leverage the tax codes so that their actual "income" is very little, and a majority of the income and tax breaks come from capital gains taxes against their investment income.

What's funny, is that you, me, and everyone else on this board can take advantage of investing, and use those same tax codes to our advantage.

401Ks are creating more and more millionaires through investing:

https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/retirement/401k-millionaires-382f5c33?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqemhCJdTlG8KEKHaXIqz96FKaoJf4h2dJRy6x9C2BpLV-G0fmDbXKSb6UGdWoQ%3D&gaa_ts=695bde55&gaa_sig=HPYZGdISKTwyXOisk-A0KyoW2cONaUbyY9Ys-4hAID3mg55lfyoHGp5aZDsmqMbaho-bXRiiHJlVRIDS3DM4tw%3D%3D

Maybe start learning how to save, live within one's means, and invest and you too could stop bitching about the rich.

then explain to me why this graph below shows that the country was at its best when the rich were paying a lot more taxes?

 

[Company 13]

Aww, look at you, trying to move the load posts,

YOU said LAST year. That's Q3/2024 vs Q3/2025

You were wrong. Admit it.

I said 2023 for Biden's 3rd quarter. It's right there in my post. I didn't say last year. I mentioned 2023 and 2025.
I won't call you a liar. And I won't ask you to admit you are wrong because maga boys never admit error.

 

[Soupnazi630]

So you are saying "change for the sake of change even though the probabilities (due to the actions being taken) favor a worse result?



Healthy for all is when everyone is getting a benefit from the country. The government is the country, given that without a government you have no country. Since 1776, we have had a government (3 branches of it plus the Supreme Court) and that is what has worked. The government right now is not working to be "of the people, by the people and for the people". It is working to be a Dictatorship country where the people "in charge" of the country are in it for themselves and the rest "be screwed".

No I am saying we have been taxing everyone and raising taxes on everyone for a long time while the government spends out of control. Raising anyones taxes accomplishes exacgtly nothing. It is time to force government to control spending

The government is not the country. The government serves the country in theory.

The only benefit which is acceptable is some basic security allowing one to live ones own life win or fail.

 

[Company 13]

then explain to me why this graph below shows that the country was at its best when the rich were paying a lot more taxes?

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Funny how they don't like to discuss that.

 

[Luckyone]

Taxes who do you think pays for all those government programs. Its the government that has all the power. Dont ;pay taxes and see what happens.
The controls are tax cuts regulation cuts spending cuts exactly what Trump is doing and wages are now up.

You did not answer the question or even addressed it. People run the country and the government is there to help them. Does that mean that there isn't corruption and taking advantage of it? "No", it means that "certain" people IN THE government use it to their advantage. That happens to either/both parties. As such, controls need to be instituted that prevent or restrict the amount of advantage that is taken by those corrupt people.

Nonetheless, there is no nation that can be a nation without some form of government. As such, the idea is to make the government as beneficial to the people as it can be and not just to those presently in power.