Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Redfish]

Its only been widely available for about 40 years.

are the vegans trying to claim that B12 is a substitute for meat? is that what this is about?

 

[Woodznutz]

It doesn't matter even if the killing is slightly less painful than the standard killing.

It's still not humane, for a number of reasons. First, they know what's coming. They can smell the blood, or they can see other animals being slaughtered. So they are TERRIFIED. How would you feel if you were waiting in line in a setting that looks like a horror movie, waiting to have your throat slit and be hung upside-down to bleed to death?

Secondly, it has been proven time and time again that many of the industries who CLAIM to have humane methods simply do not. They lie. Because what matters to them is making a profit, not being nice to the animals they consider commodities.

The pork industry has said that gas chambers for pigs are "humane." Again, it's a lie, how would you like to die this way?


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And finally, even IF it were true that farm animals in some places are killed in less painful ways (which again is often flat out BS), it is STILL not humane to take the life of an innocent animal when you don't have to. It is entirely unnecessary, so there's nothing "compassionate" about needlessly stealing what is most important to another living sentient human being - their very life.

Again, how would you like it if someone decided to kill you to eat your flesh, as long as they promised to do it "with as little pain as possible" ?

All that said... why try so hard to do the wrong thing in the "right" way? Why not just not do it in the first place?




Even backyard chickens often come from the same hatcheries that kill baby male chicks, en masse. But since you brought it up, you said "raised" (past tense.) So if you currently buy eggs at the store, then you are paying for those baby male chicks to be shredded alive... which is treating God's beautiful creation like literal garbage.

Regardless of these points you are swimming upstream on this issue. The benefits to mankind from animal agriculture is what is most important. That said I must admit that it could be done better. However, any changes for the better must be initiated by the consumer by eating less meat and buying organically produced meat, and by eating more eggs and dairy products.

 

[Woodznutz]

are the vegans trying to claim that B12 is a substitute for meat? is that what this is about?

Artificially created B12 supplements are the foundation of veganism. Without it there is no veganism.

 

[Blues Man]

are the vegans trying to claim that B12 is a substitute for meat? is that what this is about?

No.

B 12 is the only thing that vegans need to supplement.

And since humans need so little it's very easy to do.

The daily recommended intake of B12 is 2.5 micrograms

 

[Redfish]

No thanks.

I see no reason to unnecessarily kill animals by the billions when I can be perfectly healthy without meat.

And you seem to like to make shit up.

I never once compared eating meat to cannibalism if you think I did then quote the post.

you are saying that we should not eat meat because animals have personalities and emotions. Does your goldfish talk to you? does he even know who or what you are? Do chickens have discussions about being eaten? Does a pig know that his legs are destined for some family's thankgiving table as a ham? When the pilgrims cooked and ate wild turkeys did the turkeys care? Does a cod know he is going to be eaten when he chomps down on a baited hook? geez dude, wake up.

 

[Blues Man]

Artificially created B12 supplements are the foundation of veganism. Without it there is no veganism.

There is no articially created B12 in supplements.

The B12 in supplements is made the same way B12 is made naturally, by bacteria.

 

[Redfish]

No.

B 12 is the only thing that vegans need to supplement.

And since humans need so little it's very easy to do.

The daily recommended intake of B12 is 2.5 micrograms

according to google, cereal grains are also a source of B 12

sources of B 12 - Google Search

www.google.com

 

[Blues Man]

you are saying that we should not eat meat because animals have personalities and emotions. Does your goldfish talk to you? does he even know who or what you are? Do chickens have discussions about being eaten? Does a pig know that his legs are destined for some family's thankgiving table as a ham? When the pilgrims cooked and ate wild turkeys did the turkeys care? Does a cod know he is going to be eaten when he chomps down on a baited hook? geez dude, wake up.

It's a bit hypocritical to say you'll eat this animal but not that animal.

Why don't you eat dogs and cats? or Horses and monkeys?

And it is a well known fact that animals do feel emotions. They can suffer and feel pain and will avoid pain. They can experience pleasure and will seek it out.

It’s Time To Stop Wondering if Animals Are Sentient—They Are

We don’t need any more data to acknowledge that many nonhuman animals are sentient beings. Abundant science shows the real question is not whether sentience has evolved, but why.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Woodznutz]

So what?

Your assertion that just because we don't eat them that these animals will go extinct is nothing but conjecture.

Why would we continue to raise them if not for food?

 

[Blues Man]

according to google, cereal grains are also a source of B 12

sources of B 12 - Google Search

www.google.com

Only because B12 is added to them hence the use of the word fortified

 

[Blues Man]

Why would we continue to raise them if not for food?

Why would we raise them and not let them retake their spot in the wild?

If we leave nature alone it will do it's thing.

 

[Redfish]

It's a bit hypocritical to say you'll eat this animal but not that animal.

Why don't you eat dogs and cats? or Horses and monkeys?

And it is a well known fact that animals do feel emotions. They can suffer and feel pain and will avoid pain. They can experience pleasure and will seek it out.

It’s Time To Stop Wondering if Animals Are Sentient—They Are

We don’t need any more data to acknowledge that many nonhuman animals are sentient beings. Abundant science shows the real question is not whether sentience has evolved, but why.

www.psychologytoday.com

what emotions are expresed by fish and oysters? Have you seen a smile on an oyster or a clam? and many people do eat dogs, cats, horses, and monkeys. Somehow they are not all in hell for doing it, are they?

one last time, why do you care what others eat? What makes your views superior to the majority of human beings on earth?

 

[Woodznutz]

As I said before many meat eaters are deficient in B 12 and not all B 12 sources other than meat are artificial.

B12 for supplements is produced by bacteria and thus is is not "artificial"

In fact ALL B12 is produced by bacteria even the B12 you get from eating meat.

Produced/synthesized unnaturally in a lab.

 

[Redfish]

Why would we raise them and not let them retake their spot in the wild?

If we leave nature alone it will do it's thing.

nature doing its thing is one animal eating another animal. would you stop lions from eating wildebeasts? how exactly would that work?

 

[Woodznutz]

Why would we raise them and not let them retake their spot in the wild?

If we leave nature alone it will do it's thing.

Nature would quickly eliminate these animals. Along with farm animals predatory animals must be allowed free reign as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

nature doing its thing is one animal eating another animal. would you stop lions from eating wildebeasts? how exactly would that work?

Here in Wisconsin the wolves and bears would make short work of released farm animals.

 

[Redfish]

Here in Wisconsin the wolves and bears would make short work of released farm animals.

yes they would. and here in louisiana the gators would quickly gobble up the farm animals.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I don't really care what you eat. Why do you care what I eat? Why is it any or your business or concern?

We're back to the pro-abortion argument I see.

I can't stop you from killing. Eventually GOD will. I can only try to appeal to your "better nature ". What you do with that is up to you.

BTW, are you pro abortion? You use their arguments

 

[Blues Man]

what emotions are expresed by fish and oysters? Have you seen a smile on an oyster or a clam? and many people do eat dogs, cats, horses, and monkeys. Somehow they are not all in hell for doing it, are they?

one last time, why do you care what others eat? What makes your views superior to the majority of human beings on earth?

So do you only eat mollusks and fish?

I never really ate fish because I don't like the taste but it cannot be denied that commercial fishing has been no benefit to our oceans and if you like eating mercury then eat all the fish you want.
So why don't YOU eat dogs cats monkeys and horses? There must be a reason.

And religion has no play in my argument at all.


And All I am doing here is giving my point of view on the issue.

Why is it when people disagree with your dietary choices do you feel so threatened?

I am not telling what to eat or what not to eat and if you think I did then quote the post.

 

[Redfish]

We're back to the pro-abortion argument I see.

I can't stop you from killing. Eventually GOD will. I can only try to appeal to your "better nature ". What you do with that is up to you.

BTW, age you pro abortion?

nt age is none of your business and I am pro life------------for unborn humans. you are trying to equate an unborn human being with a chicken or a pig. funny how the animal rights zealots are also the pro choice zealots who are willing to kill an unborn human at the moment of birth.