Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Blues Man]

condemning the opinions of others is not denigrating? being intolerant of others views and beliefs is not condemning? really? think about what you have said here.

my previous post was aimed at the ann arbor idiot, not you, my mistake.

I never condemned anything I merely disagreed

This is you being defensive because a person disagrees with you.

 

[Blues Man]

We aren't the one's pointing the gun. When did a meat eater ever attack a vegan for their food choices? Go and eat your veggies, more meat for me.

You are being "attacked"?

How have I "attacked" you?

By asking questions?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

why is it that you libs are so intolerant of any views or opinions that disagree with yours?

 

[Blues Man]

condemning the opinions of others is not denigrating? being intolerant of others views and beliefs is not condemning? really? think about what you have said here.

my previous post was aimed at the ann arbor idiot, not you, my mistake.

Disagreement is not intolerance

 

[Woodznutz]

I did it seems you didn't.

This is a simplified article on the subject. If you want your head to explode google the Wikipedia article.

How Are B12 Supplements Made? Where Does B12 Come From? - I Am Going Vegan

Okay, let’s do some myth busting: Vitamin B12 isn’t made by animals. It’s actually created by bacteria and their close microscopic cousin, archaea. But if

www.iamgoingvegan.com

Vitamin B12 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Woodznutz]

You are being "attacked"?

How have I "attacked" you?

By asking questions?

Now you're blowing smoke.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

why is it that you libs are so intolerant of any views or opinions that disagree with yours?

I disagree with you. Therefore, I'm a "liberal"

The fact is, I'm expressing my "opinion" here just like you.

You want the right to speak, but you want to deny me the same.

You're a typical liberal -- freedom of speech for thee, but not for me

 

[Woodznutz]

It's a bit hypocritical to say you'll eat this animal but not that animal.

Why don't you eat dogs and cats? or Horses and monkeys?

And it is a well known fact that animals do feel emotions. They can suffer and feel pain and will avoid pain. They can experience pleasure and will seek it out.

It’s Time To Stop Wondering if Animals Are Sentient—They Are

We don’t need any more data to acknowledge that many nonhuman animals are sentient beings. Abundant science shows the real question is not whether sentience has evolved, but why.

www.psychologytoday.com

So, when we release these animals into the wild do we have to protect them from predators, accidents, and disease until they expire peacefully surrounded by family and friends?

And how about them feral hogs down south? Continue to allow them to run amok? And those Burmese pythons, what about them? Do we give up our God-given dominion over animals? Why did God tell us to subdue the earth. Was it because if we didn't it would get out of hand and subdue us?

What would be the consequences of everyone going vegan?

 

[Blues Man]

This is a simplified article on the subject. If you want your head to explode google the Wikipedia article.

How Are B12 Supplements Made? Where Does B12 Come From? - I Am Going Vegan

Okay, let’s do some myth busting: Vitamin B12 isn’t made by animals. It’s actually created by bacteria and their close microscopic cousin, archaea. But if

www.iamgoingvegan.com

Vitamin B12 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just like I said B12 is created by bacteria you just proved my point that B12 supplements aren't created with "artificial" B12

 

[Blues Man]

So, when we release these animals into the wild do we have to protect them from predators, accidents, and disease until they expire peacefully surrounded by family and friends?

Do we protect all other wild animals from predators?
Do we protect deer and moose from getting hit by cars?

 

[Woodznutz]

Just like I said B12 is created by bacteria you just proved my point that B12 supplements aren't created with "artificial" B12

They are created artificially, by scientific artificers, in a lab.



merriam-webster.com
artificer
är-ˈti-fə-sər
NOUN

1. a skilled or artistic worker or craftsman
2. one that makes or contrives : deviser

 

[Woodznutz]

Do we protect all other wild animals from predators?
Do we protect deer and moose from getting hit by cars?

Why are those animals less deserving of our protection?

Wild animal suffering: An introduction — Animal Ethics

Animals in the wild can suffer very significantly and die prematurely due to many different factors, most of them natural.

www.animal-ethics.org

 

[Woodznutz]

Disagreement is not intolerance

But criticism is close.

 

[Blues Man]

They are created artificially, by scientific artificers, in a lab.

Give it up dude.

There is nothing unnatural about culturing bacteria

The B12 produced for supplements is identical to the B12 produced in the soil.

What's "unnatural" is forcing dairy cows into a state of constant false pregnancy or pumping livestock full of antibiotics and steroids but you think all that is OK

 

[Blues Man]

But criticism is close.

Not really.

And I haven't criticized you I have asked questions and answered the questions you asked me

You're the only one taking offense here

 

[Blues Man]

Why are those animals less deserving of our protection?

We don't protect all those animals and never did.

Those animals are living the life they evolved to live the only thing they need from us is to leave them alone

 

[Woodznutz]

Give it up dude.

There is nothing unnatural about culturing bacteria

The B12 produced for supplements is identical to the B12 produced in the soil.

What's "unnatural" is forcing dairy cows into a state of constant false pregnancy or pumping livestock full of antibiotics and steroids but you think all that is OK

False pregnancy in cows is an unnatural disorder that has to be treated by a veterinarian.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not really.

And I haven't criticized you I have asked questions and answered the questions you asked me

You're the only one taking offense here

I am amused, not offended. I hope I'm not offending you by being amused.

 

[Woodznutz]

We don't protect all those animals and never did.

Those animals are living the life they evolved to live the only thing they need from us is to leave them alone

Our limited hunting, fishing, and trapping seasons are intended to protect those species from overharvesting. Other species are vigorously protected from exploitation, especially those that are 'endangered'.

How about the feral animals I mentioned? Are they now considered 'wild', to be left alone?

 

[buttercup]

Regardless of these points you are swimming upstream on this issue. The benefits to mankind from animal agriculture is what is most important. That said I must admit that it could be done better. However, any changes for the better must be initiated by the consumer by eating less meat and buying organically produced meat, and by eating more eggs and dairy products.

Did you miss my post from yesterday about eggs and dairy?

Or are you OK with treating God's beloved creation as mere garbage? Again, the egg industry mass kills baby male chicks by the millions, by shredding them alive, as if they were garbage....

And dairy is arguably even worse than the meat industry. Dairy is absolutely horrible, in SO many ways.

Your view of animal agriculture is either based on ignorance or a willful blindness to the reality. I'm guessing it's the latter.