Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Blues Man]

A moot point. There are only a handful of animal species that are eaten in the west, mostly following the Biblical guidelines.

So what?

Your assertion that just because we don't eat them that these animals will go extinct is nothing but conjecture.

 

[Blues Man]

The way you are stating and restating your opinion suggests that you want all meat eating to be eliminated. You are also conflating the slaughtering of animals with the eating of them. Kosher slaughtering is very humane and should be the method preferred by any reasonable person.

It suggests nothin g of the sort. This is you feeling threatened by a differing opinion.

There is no such thing as humane slaughter.

 

[Blues Man]

Artificial vitamin B12 facilitates veganism. Without it...no veganism.

As I said before many meat eaters are deficient in B 12 and not all B 12 sources other than meat are artificial.

B12 for supplements is produced by bacteria and thus is is not "artificial"

In fact ALL B12 is produced by bacteria even the B12 you get from eating meat.

 

[buttercup]

If vegetarian food is so great, how come they have to make it look and taste like real food? Vegetarian hamburger, vegetarian sausage, vegetarian steak, etc. They are saying that "I'd like to eat real food but I can't because I'm on this ridiculous vegetarian diet so the best I can do is mimic real food and try not to cry all over it."

Dead bodies are not real food. Real food is grown, not born. Well, at least from a biblical standpoint, but I don't expect others who have a different worldview to agree with me on that particular point.

But to answer your question, the flesh that you eat is typically seasoned to make it taste good, and guess what... those seasonings are plantbased. And there is nothing "ridiculous" about eating the TONS of real food that comes from the earth, as opposed to a once sentient being who cried for mercy, who is really no different than your dog or cat.

 

[Blues Man]

If man is part of evolution, then "eat or be eaten" applies to us as well as all the other animal species. Do you believe in the ToE?

Not anymore.

We don't scrounge for existence on the prairies anymore.

In advanced industrial societies meat is not necessary for survival.

Unless you think humans are no better than animals and haven't risen above our base instincts.

 

[Blues Man]

Artificial vitamin B12 facilitates veganism. Without it...no veganism.

No such thing as "artificial" B12 supplements. All B12 for supplements is naturally produced by bacteria just like the B12 produced in a cow's gut.

 

[Blues Man]

the animals eat each other, are we not animals?

Are we not better than mere animals?

Do we not have the choice not to unnecessarily be cruel to other living things?

Is your pleasure enough of a reason to support the cruelty of factory farming?

What else will you justify for your pleasure?

 

[buttercup]

Unless you think humans are no better than animals and haven't risen above our base instincts.

Are we not better than mere animals?

Do we not have the choice not to unnecessarily be cruel to other living things?

Is your pleasure enough of a reason to support the cruelty of factory farming?

What else will you justify for your pleasure?

THANK YOU! It's kind of amazing to me that on ^ that ^ point, an AGNOSTIC (you) has more wisdom than a professed Christian. * cough* Woodnutz* cough*

Because it's such a good point. He should know that we are not supposed to be led by our lowest fleshly desires, and put sensory pleasure above everything else.

Heck, I'm sure people like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer agreed with that "my sensory pleasure is more important than your life" 'logic.'

 

[PredFan]

Dead bodies are not real food.

Really? Tell that to Lions, tigers, pumas, jaguars, cheetahs, leopards, polar bears, grizzly bears, orcas, sharks, tuna, bass, grouper, crabs, sea lions, rattlesnakes, cobras, pythons, eagles, hawks, penguins, pelicans, seagulls, owls, wolves, hyenas, badgers, lizards, alligators, crocodiles, and even the venus flytrap.

Real food is grown, not born. Well, at least from a biblical standpoint, but I don't expect others who have a different worldview to agree with me on that particular point.

Good, because i don't.

But to answer your question, the flesh that you eat is typically seasoned to make it taste good, and guess what... those seasonings are plantbased. And there is nothing "ridiculous" about eating the TONS of real food that comes from the earth, as opposed to a once sentient being who cried for mercy, who is really no different than your dog or cat.

Seasoning is irrelevant. Am I a vegetarian because I cook my steak with salt, pepper, and a sprig of rosemary? I don't think so.

I've never heard my steak cry for mercy, I've shot deer, and pigs, and have caught too many fish to count and not once have I heard them cry for mercy. In fact I think I heard one of the pigs tell me thanks.

I don't have a dog or cat.

 

[buttercup]

Really? Tell that to Lions, tigers, pumas, jaguars, cheetahs, leopards, polar bears, grizzly bears, orcas, sharks, tuna, bass, grouper, crabs, sea lions, rattlesnakes, cobras, pythons, eagles, hawks, penguins, pelicans, seagulls, owls, wolves, hyenas, badgers, lizards, alligators, crocodiles, and even the venus flytrap.

Do you really look to wild animals as your moral guide?

Some animals also rape each other....does that make rape right for humans?

Some dogs eat caca. Does that mean we should too?

Newsflash: We as humans have the intelligence and moral capacity to make choices that don't involve cruelty and needless killing.

Another newsflash: Some of the animals you mentioned are obligate carnivores. In other words, they have no choice. WE on the other hand do.

Good, because i don't.

I know you don't agree. But one doesn't have to be a Christian to understand these points we've been bringing up. Blues Man is not a Christian, and he will tell you the same thing - taking an innocent life when you don't have to is cruel.

Seasoning is irrelevant. Am I a vegetarian because I cook my steak with salt, pepper, and a sprig of rosemary? I don't think so.

I've never heard my steak cry for mercy, I've shot deer, and pigs, and have caught too many fish to count and not once have i hbeard them cry for mercy. in fact I think I heard one of the pigs tell me thanks.

Well, if you catch an animal off guard, then duh, they're not going to have the chance to cry for mercy. Do you always hunt for your "food" every time? Or do you ever go to the grocery store? Because the overwhelming majority of meat (something like 99%) comes from factory farms. And there they do cry out for mercy, and try to escape.

And yeah, I really believe that a pig told you "thanks" for killing him.

The lengths people will go to when it comes to this topic.... sigh

I don't have a dog or cat.

You've never had a dog or cat? (I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I just think that's kind of rare.)

 

[PredFan]

Do you really look to wild animals as your moral guide?

Some animals also rape each other....does that make rape right for humans?

Some dogs eat caca. Does that mean we should too?

Newsflash: We as humans have the intelligence and moral capacity to make choices that don't involve cruelty and needless killing.

Another newsflash: Some of the animals you mentioned are obligate carnivores. In other words, they have no choice. WE on the other hand do.




I know you don't agree. But one doesn't have to be a Christian to understand these points we've been bringing up. Blues Man is not a Christian, and he will tell you the same thing - taking an innocent life when you don't have to is cruel.




Well, if you catch an animal off guard, then duh, they're not going to have the chance to cry for mercy. Do you always hunt for your "food" every time? Or do you ever go to the grocery store? Because the overwhelming majority of meat (something like 99%) comes from factory farms. And there they do cry out for mercy, and try to escape.

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And yeah, I really believe that a pig told you "thanks" for killing him.

The lengths people will go to when it comes to this topic.... sigh




You've never had a dog or cat? (I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I just think that's kind of rare.)

YOU said dead bodies weren’t food. All of those animals disagree with you.

Killing animals for food is not needless.

I do have to take an animal’s life because I won’t eat it alive. Unless of course it’s an oyster, yum!

My response is no more ridiculous than your claim.

I did not say that I never had a pet, I said I don’t have one.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Although doctors say that meat is healthy, I do not know anyone who would benefit from meat-eating to be healthy. For example, my neighbor, a meat-eater, has disgusting skin, cellulite, and hardly climbs to the 3rd floor, and she is only 30. Plus she smells like dog.
Maybe she is affected by ptomaine in her intestines? Why can't meat eaters be healthy even though they have a "healthy diet"?

Takes balance, bub.

 

[buttercup]

YOU said dead bodies weren’t food. All of those animals disagree with you.

That's not what I said, I said dead bodies aren't real food. ( >click<) Again, I'm going by the biblical worldview, in terms of what GOD intended and created to be food.

And again, it doesn't matter what predatory animals do.... unless predatory wild animals are your moral guide? If so, I guess rape is justified too? and eating ?

Killing animals for food is not needless.

Unless you're in a situation where you might actually die of hunger and there are no other options, then yes, it is needless.

My response is no more ridiculous than your claim.

What claim? That animals cry out for mercy? Again, I was talking about factory farms. I can post video footage if you want.

I did not say that I never had a pet, I said I don’t have one.

Ok, so if you've had dogs or cats, then you know that they have individual personalities, they love to play, they can feel pain, they can get bored, they even have emotions. The animals you eat are no different than dogs or cats, in all the ways that matter. In fact pigs are ranked even smarter than dogs, as I have stated a guhzillion times in these discussions.

 

[PredFan]

That's not what I said, I said dead bodies aren't real food. ( >click<) Again, I'm going by the biblical worldview, in terms of what GOD intended and created to be food.

Same thing. Those animals disagree.

And again, it doesn't matter what predatory animals do.... unless predatory wild animals are your moral guide? If so, I guess rape is justified too? and eating ?

And that's irrelevant. YOU said that dead bodies aren't real food, you are completely wrong.

Unless you're in a situation where you might actually die of hunger and there are no other options, then yes, it is needless.

No it isn't. I'm not eating an animal alive, except the previously mentioned oyster.

What claim? That animals cry out for mercy? Again, I was talking about factory farms. I can post video footage if you want.

Saw it, seen those before, the animal wasn't crying out for help, it was frightened. Animals aren't aware of death. That's just a dumb thing to say.

Ok, so if you've had dogs or cats, then you know that they have individual personalities, they love to play, they can feel pain, they can get bored, they even have emotions. The animals you eat are no different than dogs or cats, in all the ways that matter. In fact pigs are ranked even smarter than dogs, as I have stated a guhzillion times in these discussions.

I don't torture them when I kill them. A bullet to the head is instant death. I've eaten lion meat by the way, so technically, I've eaten a cat. No problem with it.

 

[Redfish]

We are sons and daughter of GOD. We are expected not to be "like the animals"

We are mammals with superior brains, but we are still mammals and mammals are animals, and animals eat meat, vegetables, grains, fruits et. al. God gave us those things to eat and gave us digestive systems to process them. If you want to not eat meat, fine. I don't really care what you eat. Why do you care what I eat? Why is it any or your business or concern?

 

[Blues Man]

We are mammals with superior brains, but we are still mammals and mammals are animals, and animals eat meat, vegetables, grains, fruits et. al. God gave us those things to eat and gave us digestive systems to process them. If you want to not eat meat, fine. I don't really care what you eat. Why do you care what I eat? Why is it any or your business or concern?

And what good is that brain if we just say we cannot control our base instincts and it doesn't matter what cruelty we inflict on other living things?

 

[Woodznutz]

A decade longer than 40 years like I said and that was synthetically produced B 12 and that was laboratory synthesis

B12 can also be produced via fermentation of various microbes.

Its only been widely available for about 40 years.

 

[Redfish]

Are we not better than mere animals?

Do we not have the choice not to unnecessarily be cruel to other living things?

Is your pleasure enough of a reason to support the cruelty of factory farming?

What else will you justify for your pleasure?

if you hate processed meat, try halal or kosher. God gave us animals just as he gave us grains and fruits, to nurish our bodies and keep us alive. you seem to be trying to equate meat consumption with canibalism. its not.

 

[Blues Man]

Its only been widely available for about 40 years.

So what?

Should we not push the boundaries of science because it interferes with your lifestyle?

 

[Blues Man]

if you hate processed meat, try halal or kosher. God gave us animals just as he gave us grains and fruits, to nurish our bodies and keep us alive. you seem to be trying to equate meat consumption with canibalism. its not.

No thanks.

I see no reason to unnecessarily kill animals by the billions when I can be perfectly healthy without meat.

And you seem to like to make shit up.

I never once compared eating meat to cannibalism if you think I did then quote the post.