Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[buttercup]

From an evolutionary standpoint, yes. Our nearest ancestor is the chimpanzee, known to eat meat.

Do you believe the Biblical worldview, or the Darwinian worldview? Make up your mind.

 

[Woodznutz]

You are REALLY showing your ignorance on this thread.

First of all, B12 is not an animal product, it's produced by bacteria, found in soil and water.

You don't have to eat a dead animal to get B12.

And what you probably aren't even aware of is that these days because of poor soil, livestock are injected with B12, so in many cases THEY TOO are being supplemented.

So if you get it through eating animals, you are getting it second-hand, filtered through the dead body of an abused, exploited, tortured and often sick innocent being.

We simply skip the middle-man, and get B12 in an isolated form, not filtered through a dead body.

You get artificially produced B12 that would never occur in nature.

 

[Woodznutz]

Do you believe the Biblical worldview, or the Darwinian worldview? Make up your mind.

I pose the evolutionary worldview for those who believe it.

What is important is the extended consequences of one's actions. If I eat meat produced organically and killed humanely, by extension I have solved all your problems with it, haven't I? Most of the animal products I consume don't require the death of the animal, namely eggs and dairy products. I eat about one-fifth of the average meat consumption here. So, the consequences of my diet regarding meat would lay to rest most of the general objections to it.

Another important point is that the artificial B12 that you depend on was created by godless evolutionist scientists for the purpose of deliberately overpopulating the earth which would, and has, exacerbated most of the world's societal and economic problems. Ironically those populations are now demanding a higher standard of living, including...drum roll please...more animal-based foods.

 

[buttercup]

You get artificially produced B12 that would never occur in nature.

Again, B12 is not an animal product, it is produced by microbes, such as bacteria, in soil and water. In the old days, both humans and animals got B12 from food grown in soil.

But because of poor soil these days and very unnatural factory farms, again, the animals YOU eat are, for the most part, unnaturally supplemented to get B12.

So again YOU are also getting it second-hand. The only difference is YOU are getting it filtered through a dead body.

I prefer to not get my B12 filtered through a dead body, of a sick, abused, exploited animal.

And as Blues Man already said to you, we need so little B12 that it's so easy to get, even without a supplement. There are foods fortified with B12.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

From an evolutionary standpoint, yes. Our nearest ancestor is the chimpanzee, known to eat meat.

They occasionally eat insects, but mostly fruits and vegetables. They don't hunt down sentient mammals like fallen Man

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Again, B12 is not an animal product, it is produced by microbes, such as bacteria, in soil and water. In the old days, both humans and animals got B12 from food grown in soil.

But because of poor soil these days and very unnatural factory farms, again, the animals YOU eat are, for the most part, unnaturally supplemented to get B12.

So again YOU are also getting it second-hand. The only difference is YOU are getting it filtered through a dead body.

I prefer to not get my B12 filtered through a dead body, of a sick, abused, exploited animal.

And as Blues Man already said to you, we need so little B12 that it's so easy to get, even without a supplement. There are foods fortified with B12.

I make sure to get it from nutritional yeast. I doubt I'm deficient but I really don't pay attention to that vitamin because, like you said, we require so little

 

[Woodznutz]

They occasionally eat insects, but mostly fruits and vegetables. They don't hunt down sentient mammals like fallen Man

Chimpanzee, facts and photos

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[buttercup]

I pose the evolutionary worldview for those who believe it.

Ok.

What is important is the extended consequences of one's actions. If I eat meat produced organically and killed humanely, by extension I have solved all your problems with it, haven't I?

There is no such thing as "humane slaughter." The word humane means characterized by compassion. There is nothing compassionate about terrorizing and needlessly killing an innocent animal who is just like a small child.

Here's a quote for you: To examine whether something is humane, first determine if you would want it done to you.

Most of the animal products I consume don't require the death of the animal, namely eggs and dairy products. I eat about one-fifth of the average meat consumption here. So, the consequences of my diet regarding meat would lay to rest most of the general objections to it.

I'm sorry, but both eggs and dairy involve killing.

All over the world, it is standard practice to kill baby male chicks, en masse, because they are useless to the egg industry. These beautiful newborn baby male chicks - creations of God - are literally treated like garbage.

Similarly, the dairy industry sells off baby calves - who are also useless to the dairy industry - for veal, or soft leather, so they are also killed at a very young age.

Also, nearly ALL dairy cows - after being exploited for their milk - are "thanked" for their "service" by being killed for cheap hamburger meat.

So vegetarians - people who don't eat meat but consume dairy - are paying for needless killing, whether they realize that or not.

Another important point is that the artificial B12 that you depend on was created by godless evolutionist scientists for the purpose of deliberately overpopulating the earth which would, and has, exacerbated most of the world's societal and economic problems. Ironically those populations are now demanding a higher standard of living, including...drum roll please...more animal-based foods.

We already went over the B12 BS you are spewing.

Almost everything you have stated on this thread is incorrect, whether based on sincere ignorance, or outright lies.

 

[Woodznutz]

They occasionally eat insects, but mostly fruits and vegetables. They don't hunt down sentient mammals like fallen Man

Please google this subject. Prepare to be horrified.

 

[Woodznutz]

Ok.



There is no such thing as "humane slaughter." The word humane means characterized by compassion. There is nothing compassionate about terrorizing and needlessly killing an innocent animal who is just like a small child.

Here's a quote for you: To examine whether something is humane, first determine if you would want it done to you.



I'm sorry, but both eggs and dairy involve killing.

All over the world, it is standard practice to kill baby male chicks, en masse, because they are useless to the egg industry. These beautiful newborn baby male chicks - creations of God - are literally treated like garbage.


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Similarly, the dairy industry sells off baby calves - who are also useless to the dairy industry - for veal, or soft leather, so they are also killed at a very young age.

Also, nearly ALL dairy cows - after being exploited for their milk - are "thanked" for their "service" by being killed for cheap hamburger meat.

So vegetarians - people who don't eat meat but consume dairy - are paying for needless killing, whether they realize that or not.




We already went over the B12 BS you are spewing.

Almost everything you have stated on this thread is incorrect, whether based on sincere ignorance, or outright lies.

Educate yourself, google the topic. I'll await your apology.

The consequences of your position on this matter would be the elimination of all domestic animals used for food. Not a world I want to live in.

 

[buttercup]

Educate yourself, google the topic. I'll await your apology.

What? I went over 4 or 5 different topics in that post.

Look, you're never going to win on the topic of veganism, because there really is NO valid argument against it. There really isnt.

And btw, your continual attempt to make COMPASSION seem like an evil demonic thing is as twisted as one can get. And actually, blasphemous, since eating a plant-based diet was GOD's idea in the first place! (Genesis 1:29-30)

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Another important point is that the artificial B12 that you depend on was created by godless evolutionist scientists for the purpose of deliberately overpopulating the earth which would.....

"What the hell is even that?

 

[buttercup]

Also, Woodznutz , I'm getting tired of your habit of NEVER addressing what I post to you, you just ignore everything and keep trying to throw the same crap against the wall over and over.

So if you're going to keep ignoring 95% of what I post, then I'm not going to waste my time anymore, I have other things to do today.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Also, Woodznutz , I'm getting tired of your habit of NEVER addressing what I post to you, you just ignore everything and keep trying to throw the same crap against the wall over and over.

So if you're going to keep ignoring 95% of what I post, then I'm not going to waste my time anymore, I have other things to do today.

Some people love the process of ARGUING. They pick a position and defend it. They have no desire to grow as Christians

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no such thing as "humane slaughter." The word humane means characterized by compassion.

The context is the slaughtering of animals.

hu·mane
[hyo͞oˈmān]

ADJECTIVE

1. having or showing compassion or benevolence:
   "regulations ensuring the humane treatment of animals"
   SIMILAR:
   compassionate
   kind
   kindly
   kindhearted
   considerate
   • inflicting the minimum of pain:
     "humane methods of killing"

I'm sorry, but both eggs and dairy involve killing.

I raised laying hens. I never killed any when they stopping laying. I fed them and let them run around with the others. Of course, they would eventually die naturally, so harvesting them as stewing chicken is a good use of them.

Male calves from a dairy herd are often raised as beef steers, if the dairy farmer can find someone to take them, otherwise they are often just killed.

 

[Woodznutz]

Some people love the process of ARGUING. They pick a position and defend it. They have no desire to grow as Christians

I argue based on facts, you on emotions. So, who's being 'argumentative.'? You and Buttercup are the ones who have hardened your positions, to wit: No consumption of animal products is acceptable by anyone, not even by those in the third world who subsist on it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Also, Woodznutz , I'm getting tired of your habit of NEVER addressing what I post to you, you just ignore everything and keep trying to throw the same crap against the wall over and over.

So if you're going to keep ignoring 95% of what I post, then I'm not going to waste my time anymore, I have other things to do today.

I have addressed the points that I consider central.

 

[buttercup]

The context is the slaughtering of animals.

hu·mane
[hyo͞oˈmān]

ADJECTIVE

1. having or showing compassion or benevolence:
   "regulations ensuring the humane treatment of animals"
   SIMILAR:
   compassionate
   kind
   kindly
   kindhearted
   considerate
   • inflicting the minimum of pain:
     "humane methods of killing"

It doesn't matter even if the killing is slightly less painful than the standard killing.

It's still not humane, for a number of reasons. First, they know what's coming. They can smell the blood, or they can see other animals being slaughtered. So they are TERRIFIED. How would you feel if you were waiting in line in a setting that looks like a horror movie, waiting to have your throat slit and be hung upside-down to bleed to death?

Secondly, it has been proven time and time again that many of the industries who CLAIM to have humane methods simply do not. They lie. Because what matters to them is making a profit, not being nice to the animals they consider commodities.

The pork industry has said that gas chambers for pigs are "humane." Again, it's a lie, how would you like to die this way?

And finally, even IF it were true that farm animals in some places are killed in less painful ways (which again is often flat out BS), it is STILL not humane to take the life of an innocent animal when you don't have to. It is entirely unnecessary, so there's nothing "compassionate" about needlessly stealing what is most important to another living sentient human being - their very life.

Again, how would you like it if someone decided to kill you to eat your flesh, as long as they promised to do it "with as little pain as possible" ?

All that said... why try so hard to do the wrong thing in the "right" way? Why not just not do it in the first place?

I raised laying hens. I never killed any when they stopping laying. I fed them and let them run around with the others. Of course, they would eventually die naturally, so harvesting them as stewing chicken is a good use of them.

Male calves from a dairy herd are often raised as beef steers, if the dairy farmer can find someone to take them, otherwise they are often just killed.

Even backyard chickens often come from the same hatcheries that kill baby male chicks, en masse. But since you brought it up, you said "raised" (past tense.) So if you currently buy eggs at the store, then you are paying for those baby male chicks to be shredded alive... which is treating God's beautiful creation like literal garbage.

 

[PredFan]

If vegetarian food is so great, how come they have to make it look and taste like real food? Vegetarian hamburger, vegetarian sausage, vegetarian steak, etc. They are saying that "I'd like to eat real food but I can't because I'm on this ridiculous vegetarian diet so the best I can do is mimic real food and try not to cry all over it."

 

[Blues Man]

B12 wasn't developed until the 1970's.

A decade longer than 40 years like I said and that was synthetically produced B 12 and that was laboratory synthesis

B12 can also be produced via fermentation of various microbes.