Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Redfish]

So that you will again be FORCED TO CHOOSE.

God gives Man CHOICES, to see if he will choose to OBEY or REBEL

You CAN eat pork. But He SPECIFICALLY forbids you from doing so. Yet most of the world, including many "christians" choose to DISOBEY over obedience

Forced to choose? NO, I chose to choose, and I choose meat and vegetables and fruits and grains, and milk and water and booze. If you choose differently, I don't care. Why do you care what I choose?

 

[Redfish]

If I'm such a horrible person why has God blessed me so?

God loves all of us, even the weirdos

 

[Woodznutz]

the animals eat each other, are we not animals?

From an evolutionary standpoint, yes. Our nearest ancestor is the chimpanzee, known to eat meat.

 

[Woodznutz]

God loves all of us, even the weirdos

But He doesn't bless all of those he loves.

 

[Redfish]

Artificial vitamin B12 facilitates veganism. Without it...no veganism.

how exactly does it do that?

But He doesn't bless all of those he loves.

which religion says that?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

the animals eat each other, are we not animals?

We are sons and daughter of GOD. We are expected not to be "like the animals"

 

[buttercup]

You are citing millennial prophecies. Savage beasts represent demons. When the demons are restrained those animals will be gentled. However, will animals exist in the kingdom after the millennium? And if earth is to return to the original Eden (not the one in Genesis) I don't think there will be animals.

You are contradicted by verse 17 where it clearly said "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth".... So that passage is not talking about the millennial reign (which will also be peaceful) it is talking about the New Earth.

But that's not just my take on it, pretty much all the commentaries and Bible teachers that I've read in regard to that passage state that it is about the New Earth.

You also ignored that God made covenants with the animals too, not just humans, with the promise of a future peaceful world.

And you're also contradicting yourself when you say that the earth will return to the original Eden world, but without animals. There were animals in Eden, and as Genesis 1:29-30 clearly states, they were created as herbivores. Do you really think a God of love and peace wants humans and animals to be at each other's throats in a constant bloodbath just because of selfishness? I mean, do you REALLY believe that?

 

[buttercup]

These animals wouldn't exist if not for food for us. What would be the point?

We went over this before. It was refuted pages ago, and now you're trying to throw that crap against the wall again?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Forced to choose? NO, I chose to choose, and I choose meat and vegetables and fruits and grains, and milk and water and booze. If you choose differently, I don't care. Why do you care what I choose?

You argue with me and I respond. I prefer you obey God but I cannot force you to do anything. God REQUIRES you to be kind and merciful whether you are a Christian or a follower of demons.

Eventually we ALL are JUDGED BY GOD.

 

[buttercup]

That fine...for them, but don't inflict that on others.

Take your own advice and stop inflicting abuse, suffering and torture on the most innocent among us.

 

[Woodznutz]

You are contradicted by verse 17 where it clearly said "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth".... So that passage is not talking about the millennial reign (which will also be peaceful) it is talking about the New Earth.

But that's not just my take on it, pretty much all the commentaries and Bible teachers that I've read in regard to that passage state that it is about the New Earth.

You also ignored that God made covenants with the animals too, not just humans, with the promise of a future peaceful world.

And you're also contradicting yourself when you say that the earth will return to the original Eden world, but without animals. There were animals in Eden, and as Genesis 1:29-30 clearly states, they were created as herbivores. Do you really think a God of love and peace wants humans and animals to be at each other's throats in a constant bloodbath just because of selfishness? I mean, do you REALLY believe that?

The animal world is patterned after the demons. In the original Eden there were no demons, thus no animals. In the Genesis Eden the animals were peaceful as were the angels in the first Eden, but when God allowed sin to enter the nature of animals was changed, by the indwelling of the demon world within them.

 

[buttercup]

If you don't want to eat meat that is ok with me, the problem with you libs is that you think you should be able to dictate how everyone else lives. enjoy your leaves and twigs.

I almost choked on my coffee laughing that you assumed he's a "lib." Have you read ANY of his posts on other threads?

Man, that type of shallow binary thinking (that is sadly common on this site) is pathetic.

 

[Woodznutz]

how exactly does it do that?

B12 is only available naturally through consuming animal based foods. When B12 was produced artificially in the 1970's natural B12 was no longer necessary, resulting in the growth of veganism.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The animal world is patterned after the demons. In the original Eden there were no demons, thus no animals. In the Genesis Eden the animals were peaceful as were the angels in the first Eden, but when God allowed sin to enter the nature of animals was changed, by the indwelling of the demon world within them.

No, God created the animal world and declared it "GOOD"

Man made the choice to follow demons. Man has to STRUGGLE to not be demonic.

Most don't "struggle" they willingly CHOOSE to follow the spirit of Satan. They do not resist

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Do you believe that the B12 supplement that facilitates veganism is the result of natural processes? That is the nub of this whole argument.

B12 comes NATURALLY when you pull up crops and eat them as God planned it.

 

[buttercup]

If I'm such a horrible person why has God blessed me so?

1. I never said you were a horrible person.
   
   
2. All people experience God's blessings. "For He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." - Matthew 5:45

 

[Woodznutz]

I almost choked on my coffee laughing that you assumed he's a "lib." Have you read ANY of his posts on other threads?

Man, that type of shallow binary thinking (that is sadly common on this site) is pathetic.

Not surprising. Veganism and liberalism are a natural association.

 

[buttercup]

Artificial vitamin B12 facilitates veganism. Without it...no veganism.

You are REALLY showing your ignorance on this thread.

First of all, B12 is not an animal product, it's produced by bacteria, found in soil and water.

You don't have to eat a dead animal to get B12.

And what you probably aren't even aware of is that these days because of poor soil, livestock are injected with B12, so in many cases THEY TOO are being supplemented.

So if you get it through eating animals, you are getting it second-hand, filtered through the dead body of an abused, exploited, tortured and often sick innocent being.

We simply skip the middle-man, and get B12 in an isolated form, not filtered through a dead body.

 

[Woodznutz]

B12 comes NATURALLY when you pull up crops and eat them as God planned it.

Plants are not a beneficial source of B12 for man. Any B12 that you produce from eating plants is pooped out before it can do any good.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Forced to choose? NO, I chose to choose, and I choose meat and vegetables and fruits and grains, and milk and water and booze. If you choose differently, I don't care. Why do you care what I choose?

Yes. You CHOOSE with every decision you make. YOu CHOOSE to be cruel, and inflict pain and terror on creatures you are stronger than. You made that choice. At your last breath you will be JUDGED a cruel person who HEARD but was a happy follower of demons