Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Carl in Michigan]

We do this to MILLIONS of God created lives DAILY. No one bats an eye. It IS the same damn thing. God COMMANDS and PROMISES a better way soon. I choose not to participate and to be on HIS side now

 

[Woodznutz]

And I already said that in the past eating animals was necessary for survival but today it is not.

Therefore...?

 

[Woodznutz]

For me it is.

Since it is unnecessary to eat meat then it is unnecessary to slaughter billions of animals.

Follow that thought to its logical conclusion.

 

[Woodznutz]

They wouldn't bovines species have existed before we started slaughtering them by the billions

We raise them by the billions for food. Otherwise, they wouldn't exist.

 

[Woodznutz]

Maybe for you but more and more people are realizing that meat is not necessary

That fine...for them, but don't inflict that on others.

 

[Woodznutz]

No veganism is and always has been an ethical position. it has nothing to do with health and never did.

And we have had B 12 supplements on the market longer than most of us have been alive.

That's not very long, less than 40 years.

 

[Blues Man]

We raise them by the billions for food. Otherwise, they wouldn't exist.

How many species of animals that we don't raise for food live on this planet.

 

[Blues Man]

That's not very long, less than 40 years.

Supplements have been around way longer than 40 years.,

 

[Blues Man]

We raise them by the billions for food. Otherwise, they wouldn't exist.

If the species dies out naturally than is nature taking its course but I don't think that would happen anyway because we have far more species of animals that we don't raise for food on this planet than those we do


So obviously animals exist regardless of whether we eat them or not.

 

[Blues Man]

That fine...for them, but don't inflict that on others.

Where have I done that? Quote the post.

Or stop making shit up about my statements.

All I have ever done is state my position that you take it as some sort of threat to your lifestyle is all on you.

 

[Woodznutz]

Supplements have been around way longer than 40 years.,

B12 wasn't developed until the 1970's.

 

[Woodznutz]

How many species of animals that we don't raise for food live on this planet.

A moot point. There are only a handful of animal species that are eaten in the west, mostly following the Biblical guidelines.

 

[Woodznutz]

Where have I done that? Quote the post.

Or stop making shit up about my statements.

All I have ever done is state my position that you take it as some sort of threat to your lifestyle is all on you.

The way you are stating and restating your opinion suggests that you want all meat eating to be eliminated. You are also conflating the slaughtering of animals with the eating of them. Kosher slaughtering is very humane and should be the method preferred by any reasonable person.

 

[Woodznutz]

If the species dies out naturally than is nature taking its course but I don't think that would happen anyway because we have far more species of animals that we don't raise for food on this planet than those we do


So obviously animals exist regardless of whether we eat them or not.

Do you believe that the B12 supplement that facilitates veganism is the result of natural processes? That is the nub of this whole argument.

 

[Woodznutz]

If the species dies out naturally than is nature taking its course but I don't think that would happen anyway because we have far more species of animals that we don't raise for food on this planet than those we do


So obviously animals exist regardless of whether we eat them or not.

If man is part of evolution, then "eat or be eaten" applies to us as well as all the other animal species. Do you believe in the ToE?

 

[Redfish]

So that you will again be FORCED TO CHOOSE.

God gives Man CHOICES, to see if he will choose to OBEY or REBEL

You CAN eat pork. But He SPECIFICALLY forbids you from doing so. Yet most of the world, including many "christians" choose to DISOBEY over obedience

If you don't want to eat meat that is ok with me, the problem with you libs is that you think you should be able to dictate how everyone else lives. enjoy your leaves and twigs.

 

[Redfish]

Do you believe that the B12 supplement that facilitates veganism is the result of natural processes? That is the nub of this whole argument.

so taking B 12 will make you a vegan???????????????????? really????????????????

 

[Redfish]

Follow that thought to its logical conclusion.

the animals eat each other, are we not animals?

 

[Woodznutz]

Hilariously and demonstrably false. Everything I've been saying I've been backing up with scripture, and anyone can verify that.

You on the other hand have been consistently IGNORING nearly everything I've posted, and then you expect me to address your posts? That's not how sincere debate works. But even still, I've responded to your handful of misapplied verses that are always brought up by flesh eating christians in discussions like this.

Again, I have to conclude you've been trolling.... either that or you are simply a dishonest person.

Because again....

• It is not my "opinion" that when God created the world, which was HIS ideal, all of creation were herbivores. (Genesis 1:29-30.)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that God is going to restore that original peaceful world that was HIS intent in the first place. (Isaiah 11:6-9)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that Jesus taught us to want and pray for God's perfect will, on earth as it is in heaven. (Matthew 6:10)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that throughout the Bible God commands us to be merciful. (Luke 6:36, etc.)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that as Christians we are commanded to love selflessly, as opposed to being led by our own selfish fleshly desires. (Phil 2:3, etc.)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion that cruelty is a sin (Proverbs 12:10) and it is not my "opinion" that the modern animal industries are inherently cruel, so by participating in it, you're paying for cruelty and abuse.
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that we are also commanded to treat others the way we would want to be treated. (Matthew 7:12)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that we are commanded to do all things in love. (1 Cor. 16:14)
  
  
• It is not my "opinion" that as Christians we are told to have an eternal (as opposed to temporal, worldly) perspective. (Col 3:2, Phil 3:19)

Now, are you going to lie again and claim that what I've been saying is not backed up scripturally?

Are you going to address ANY of the points I've raised on this thread? Because for the most part you've ignored nearly ALL of it.

And then on top of ignoring nearly everything, you have been dishonest by claiming all of this is just my "opinion" and not backed up scripturally.

If I'm such a horrible person why has God blessed me so?

 

[Woodznutz]

so taking B 12 will make you a vegan???????????????????? really????????????????

Artificial vitamin B12 facilitates veganism. Without it...no veganism.