Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Woodznutz]

You might want to check several translations. Here is the NKJV

They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving

And what did God give YOU for food?

And this is the KJV of Genesis 1:29

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

I already know this will go in one ear and out the other for you. You want what you want. You will twist the Scriptures to your own destruction.

While it MAY not be a sin for a Christian to take a life and eat that living being God created, it IS a sin to participate in the torture and terrorizing of any living creation of God. You know the truth about our "meat production system.". It is from the devil and not from God.

You condemn yourself when you admit you understand God's will for Man in Eden and that His will will be enforced again when Christ returns.

Yet as a Christian you CHOOSE the devil (as a "Christian") because you admit this is Satans world. Yet God has CALLED YOU OUT OF THE WORLD and not to be part of this world's evil cultural practices.

Why would anyone forbid the eating of certain vegetables?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This is the god of the forest savages, the noble peoples despised the forest savages

The sky has cast a curse on them, their bodies are ugly and their skin is stained.

So which am I, a "forrest savage" or a worshipper of the "desert religion." At least I don't WORSHIP cows. I just have enough respect for their right to live that I don't kill them

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Without the significant increase in animal protein that sparked evolutionary change, everyone would still be ape-stupid like you.

And without eating those apes and monkeys, we wouldn't be cursed with AIDS and so many other diseases.

And it's time to give up the false "protein myth

Vegan:

Not vegan

 

[Woodznutz]

So which am I, a "forrest savage" or a worshipper of the "desert religion." At least I don't WORSHIP cows. I just have enough respect for their right to live that I don't kill them

These animals wouldn't exist if not for food for us. What would be the point?

 

[Woodznutz]

And without eating those apes and monkeys, we wouldn't be cursed with AIDS and so many other diseases.

Christians don't eat monkeys, and don't engage in sodomy.

 

[Blues Man]

Factory farming is necessary thanks to the urbanization of the population. But, that doesn't change the 'brute' nature of the animals, as Peter describes, in case you missed it above.

2 Peter 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Brute beasts are unaware of their treatment and less aware that they will be killed and eaten. It is man that is aware of his supposed cruelty, if indeed he deems it to be cruelty. Bloody and gory yes, but cruel?

No it is not necessary because meat is not necessary

 

[Blues Man]

Then leave it at that. Don't go on and on about it.

I can voice my opinion just like you.

If you don't like it then don't respond to my posts.

But then again this thread is about the health benefits of eating less meat isn;t?

 

[Blues Man]

Factory farming is necessary thanks to the urbanization of the population. But, that doesn't change the 'brute' nature of the animals, as Peter describes, in case you missed it above.

2 Peter 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Brute beasts are unaware of their treatment and less aware that they will be killed and eaten. It is man that is aware of his supposed cruelty, if indeed he deems it to be cruelty. Bloody and gory yes, but cruel?

And contrary to your opinion animals like cows are actually intelligent and sensitive animals

Cows: Science Shows They're Bright and Emotional Individuals

Thinking of cows simply as "food products" ignores who they truly are. In fact, science shows they have rich and deep cognitive and emotional lives.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Woodznutz]

I can voice my opinion just like you.

If you don't like it then don't respond to my posts.

But then again this thread is about the health benefits of eating less meat isn;t?

Why don't you and others address the B12 aspect of veganism/vegetarianism? Artificially produced B12 supplements are the lynchpin upon which these lifestyles are based, and is a rather recent development. You should review the development of artificial B12, a process that would never occur in nature. It should also be noted that the development of artificial B12 wasn't intended for peoples that consume animal products (that be us).

Vitamin B12 total synthesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The "cruelty" imposed by mankind on animals for millennia was absolutely necessary for our survival. It is only the past few decades that veganism has been possible thanks to artificially produced B12.

 

[Woodznutz]

I can voice my opinion just like you.

If you don't like it then don't respond to my posts.

But then again this thread is about the health benefits of eating less meat isn;t?

So, it's not about animal cruelty?

 

[Woodznutz]

And contrary to your opinion animals like cows are actually intelligent and sensitive animals

Cows: Science Shows They're Bright and Emotional Individuals

Thinking of cows simply as "food products" ignores who they truly are. In fact, science shows they have rich and deep cognitive and emotional lives.

www.psychologytoday.com

And therefore, by your logic they should cease to exist?

 

[Unkotare]

... it's time to give up the false "protein myth

....

Study evolutionary science if your childishly misguided sentiment has clouded your view. Meanwhile, I will grill up some last weekend of summer steaks for the family tomorrow.

 

[braalian]

And without eating those apes and monkeys, we wouldn't be cursed with AIDS and so many other diseases.

And it's time to give up the false "protein myth

Vegan:
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Not vegan

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Some of us want more than pretty boy muscles

 

[Woodznutz]

No it is not necessary because meat is not necessary

If we are to eliminate things that aren't necessary, meat would be way down on that list.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yet as a Christian you CHOOSE the devil (as a "Christian") because you admit this is Satans world. Yet God has CALLED YOU OUT OF THE WORLD and not to be part of this world's evil cultural practices.

Let's look at another aspect of this discussion.

Veganism is based on the recent development of artificial vitamin B12. This work was done by godless evolutionary scientists, supposedly to provide this needed vitamin to the developing world, not to we who have an abundance of this vitamin in our animal-based diets. That you and others have seized upon it to build a meat-free lifestyle here and promote it as a moral imperative is ludicrous.

 

[Blues Man]

Why don't you and others address the B12 aspect of veganism/vegetarianism? Artificially produced B12 supplements are the lynchpin upon which these lifestyles are based, and is a rather recent development. You should review the development of artificial B12, a process that would never occur in nature. It should also be noted that the development of artificial B12 wasn't intended for peoples that consume animal products (that be us).

Vitamin B12 total synthesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The "cruelty" imposed by mankind on animals for millennia was absolutely necessary for our survival. It is only the past few decades that veganism has been possible thanks to artificially produced B12.

So what?

You need so little B 12 that taking a supplement is no big deal besides that even people who eat meat can be deficient in B 12

Or you can eat cereal grains fortified with B 12

And I already said that in the past eating animals was necessary for survival but today it is not.

 

[Blues Man]

So, it's not about animal cruelty?

For me it is.

Since it is unnecessary to eat meat then it is unnecessary to slaughter billions of animals.

 

[Blues Man]

And therefore, by your logic they should cease to exist?

They wouldn't bovines species have existed before we started slaughtering them by the billions

 

[Blues Man]

If we are to eliminate things that aren't necessary, meat would be way down on that list.

Maybe for you but more and more people are realizing that meat is not necessary

 

[Blues Man]

Let's look at another aspect of this discussion.

Veganism is based on the recent development of artificial vitamin B12. This work was done by godless evolutionary scientists, supposedly to provide this needed vitamin to the developing world, not to we who have an abundance of this vitamin in our animal-based diets. That you and others have seized upon it to build a meat-free lifestyle here and promote it as a moral imperative is ludicrous.

No veganism is and always has been an ethical position. it has nothing to do with health and never did.

And we have had B 12 supplements on the market longer than most of us have been alive.