Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[sparky]

But tell me what is the proper manner of killing so you can eat.

aim between the eyes

off it's head

wipe it's a**

throw it on the grill......

~S~

 

[Blues Man]

aim between the eyes

off it's head

wipe it's a**

throw it on the grill......

~S~

I have no problem with a person who hunts and only kills what he needs as I stated before.

Factory is a whole other thing

 

[buttercup]

This age was created by God for sin and death. Read your Bible.

WOW. Where to even begin with this!

Are you now actually claiming that God WANTS sin and needless death???

Of course we're living in a fallen world, I have stated that repeatedly in discussions like this. Of course we're living in an age where there is sin and death. No Christian here has denied that.

But every day we can make CHOICES. You're making it sound like because this is an age of "sin and death" that means we have to go along with what this fallen world does. The exact OPPOSITE is true! As CarlinAnnArbor already stated, we are not called to be of this world, we are called OUT of this world!

So we can choose, and God made it crystal clear what He wants us to choose:

"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."​

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Luke 6:36​

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.​

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Micah 6:8​

For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,​

And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.​

Hosea 6:6​

Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with a heart of mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience​

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Colossians 3:12​

And here's a very important scripture that I really hope you read and think about. Please read this and let it sink in. These are Jesus words, this is what JESUS wants us to want and pray for:

May your Kingdom come, may your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.​

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Matthew 6:10​

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So as Christians we are supposed to want and pray for God's perfect will. Contrary to what you implied, we are not supposed to just throw our arms up in the air and give in to the ways of this fallen world, just because we're living in a fallen world.

God's perfect will is already made clear in both the beginning, in the pre-fall world, where there was no killing, no violence, no flesh eating. Both humans AND animals were herbivores (Genesis 1:29-30)....

.... AND also in the prophetic scriptures about the future, when Jesus returns, when God restores that initial beautiful world of peace and harmony that was HIS intent and desire in the first place.

So since we know God's perfect will, I'm going to post Jesus' words again for you. Please read this again, in light of what God's perfect will is in regard to how humans should relate to animals:

May your Kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. ​

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Matthew 6:10​

So getting back to your comment "This age was created by God for sin and death." Obviously this age IS full of sin and death, yes. Are you supposed to embrace sin, death and the cruel habits of this world? Yes or no?

 

[buttercup]

That's what the bible says?

What does the bible say about gassing animals with CO2 or electrocuting them?

What does it say about throwing live birds into a macerator ?

What does the bible say about forcing animals into a constant state of false pregnancy so they unnaturally produce mammary secretions and confining them so they can barely move ?

Please don't take Woodnutz' word at face value when it comes to what the Bible says. He was talking about modern day killing methods, and btw he failed to mention that much of the time the animals who are stunned don't get knocked out and are fully conscious while having their throat slit, hanging upside-down bleeding to death and being dismembered. I could show video footage of that if I wanted to.

 

[buttercup]

Killing when it is unnecessary is cruel

^ THIS.

That's really what it boils down to. It's so simple, really.

There is no need to kill a sentient being who is just like a dog or cat, an animal who desperately wants to live, there is no denying that! They try to escape, they plead for mercy with their eyes and their cries.

I have no doubt that if slaughterhouses had glass walls, there would be a HELL of a lot more vegetarians and vegans. That's precisely why those industries try to keep this stuff hidden, it's why there are Ag-Gag Laws.

 

[Unkotare]

It reeks of hypocrisy in here.

 

[buttercup]

It reeks of hypocrisy in here.

If you're talking about what you said yesterday about "taking the life" of a plant, sorry but your reply was so asinine it wasn't even worthy of a response.

If you REALLY see no difference between slicing an apple and slicing the throat of an intelligent animal who feels pain and screams in horror, them you are either: a) completely disingenuous or b) too foolish to even have a discussion with.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It reeks of hypocrisy in here.

Only from YOUR side.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If you're talking about what you said yesterday about "taking the life" of a plant, sorry but your reply was so asinine it wasn't even worthy of a response.

If you REALLY see no difference between slicing an apple and slicing the throat of an intelligent animal who feels pain and screams in horror, them you are either: a) completely disingenuous or b) too foolish to even have a discussion with.

He's not a serious poster. He has nothing to contribute in THIS discussion

 

[Unkotare]

If you're talking about what you said yesterday about "taking the life" of a plant, sorry but your reply was so asinine it wasn't even worthy of a response.
......

No more asinine than you clowns weeping over a hamburger. Just don't lie and pretend you care about life. You clearly don't.

 

[Unkotare]

The poor vegetables cry out via nanomechanical oscillations, begging for their lives while you callously cut them down and eat them. You monsters!

 

[Unkotare]

Only from YOUR side.

 

[Unkotare]

....

If you REALLY see no difference between slicing an apple and slicing the throat of an intelligent animal ...

If YOU were an intelligent animal you wouldn't go on about such silly nonsense.

 

[buttercup]

If YOU were an intelligent animal you wouldn't go on about such silly nonsense.

It's silly nonsense to state that there's a difference between an apple and intelligent animal who is just like a dog?

I mean seriously, that is so beyond retarded, I feel like I'm wasting my time even typing right now.

If you're just trolling, find a different hobby, you're not good at it.

 

[Unkotare]

It's silly nonsense to state that there's a difference between an apple and intelligent animal who is just like a dog?
...

It's silly to state that killing an animal for human consumption is the same as homicide.

 

[buttercup]

It's silly to state that killing an animal for human consumption is the same as homicide.

Oh, so now you're moving the goal posts. I didn't state it is the same as homicide. I've been saying it's cruel, completely unnecessary, and especially for a Christian it's partaking in evil practices that go directly against numerous commands of God.

Don't put words in my mouth again.

 

[Unkotare]

..... I've been saying it's cruel, completely unnecessary, .....

Then chopping up lettuce and eating it is "cruel and completely unnecessary."

Hypocrite.

 

[buttercup]

Then chopping up lettuce and eating it is "cruel and completely unnecessary."

Hypocrite.

I'm done here for now. Someone let me know when there's at least some semblance of rational debate. I won't hold my breath.

 

[Unkotare]

Typical callous hypocrite with no regard for life. ^^^

 

[PredFan]

Although doctors say that meat is healthy, I do not know anyone who would benefit from meat-eating to be healthy. For example, my neighbor, a meat-eater, has disgusting skin, cellulite, and hardly climbs to the 3rd floor, and she is only 30. Plus she smells like dog.
Maybe she is affected by ptomaine in her intestines? Why can't meat eaters be healthy even though they have a "healthy diet"?

I am on the Carnivore/Keto diet. Have been for almost two years. I no longer have to take my blood pressure medicine, my cholesterol is normal now, I have no more swelling in my ankles. I'm 67 and haven't been this healthy in decades.