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Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has Nazi laws?

AntonToo

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You see, if your financial capitalist masters were "honest nazis" like the German nazis, they would honestly declare "In order for us to live, the russians must die

No one in the west thinks Russians must die. Thats just some stupid nonsence you belive to justify your bloody invasions.

Tens of thousands of young Russians would be alive and well today if your Dear Leader wasn't so busy sending them to get killed in Ukraine.
 
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There is only one reason the west is helping Ukraine fight Russians - UKRAINE ASKED FOR IT. If you weren't so stupid and ignorant you'd know that.
And how brainwashed are you that you don't know that the Lugansk and Donetsk republics have asked Russia for help against the aggression of Ukraine? And yes, when your towns and villages have been shelled by artillery for 8 years, this is aggression.
 

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And how brainwashed are you that you don't know that the Lugansk and Donetsk republics have asked Russia for help against the aggression of Ukraine? And yes, when your towns and villages have been shelled by artillery for 8 years, this is aggression.

And? I've never denied that separatists asked Russia for help. Didn't call them Nazis for it either.


Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk are all part of SOVEREIGN UKRANIAN TERRITORY and thus subject to Ukraine's federal authority. Ukraine's government is fully within it's rights to fight successionists and invaders to keep their country intact.

When Chechen separatists in Grozny declared independence what did Russia do? Say, oh no worries, do as you please? Hell no, Russian army went to grozny and beat them into bloody submission.

When the Southern States wanted to succeed from the United States did the Feds simply say, oh go ahead, do whatever you want? Hell no, America had a long bloody civil war to keep the country together.


When a part of the country refuses federal authority there is most often an internal conflict that breaks out. None of that justifies Russian invasion and annexation of Ukranian territory.
 
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>When Chechen separatists in Grozny declared independence what did Russia do? Say, oh no worries, do as you please? Hell no, Russian army went to grozny and beat them into bloody submission.
Chechnya gained almost independence after 1996 and used it for the traditional folk Chechen craft - banditry, slave trade (yes, it was the slave trade. Sometimes during military operations, russian soldiers discovered slaves captured many years before, in one case 25 years) drug trafficking, hostage-taking for ransom, and so on. And in 1999, they also invaded neighboring Dagestan. Exactly like the population of Crimea! Precisely!


When a part of the country refuses federal authority there is most often an internal conflict that breaks out. None of that justifies Russian invasion and annexation of Ukranian territory.
Tell it to the people of Yugoslavia. By the way, where is it?
 

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Tell it to the people of Yugoslavia. By the way, where is it?

That's it? That's the figleaf you are down to while you support this atrocious meat grinder war?

Time to go look in the mirror.
 

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Rubizhne used to be home to 60,000 people. This is what Russian trolls call "liberating" the town..

 

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Rubizhne used to be home to 60,000 people. This is what Russian trolls call "liberating" the town..

Find on the Internet photos of the city of Grozny (the capital of Chechnya) in 1996-99 and photos of today or even 10 years ago. Compare it. Russia did it.
And then find photos of Mosul (Iraq) after the American aviation and artillery went through them. You don't have to look for modern photos. It seems to me that the US is not involved in their recovery
 

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In the middle of April, I published an article which dealt with the question whether some Ukrainian laws are the Nazi ones (see here).
This article was discussed on USMB (see here) and nobody could disprove that these laws are the Nazi ones, indeed.

It’s an obvious fact that, for example, ethnic Crimean Tatars - according to these laws - are “first-rate” citizens of Ukraine and have more rights; ethnic Hungarians are “second-rate” citizens and have less rights than Crimean Tatars; and ethnic Russians are “third-rate” citizens and have less rights than Hungarians.

It’s another obvious fact, that Ukrainian rulers always make territorial claims to the Russian Crimean Peninsula, where ethnic Russians amount to 67.9% of population (see here).
It means that the Ukrainian rulers want to turn 67.9% of Crimean population into citizens of the “third-rate”!
:clap2:

At the same time, Ukraine intensively armed itself, constantly declared its plans to join NATO etc. The Russian government many times tried to persuade the Ukrainian rulers to remain nonaligned, to let Crimea stay in Russia etc. But Ukraine continued to arm itself etc.

At a certain point of time the Russian government decided that the actions of the Ukrainian rulers reached a dangerous point and very soon the situation could become even more dangerous. And then, the Russian government decided to start a military operation against Ukraine.

But the U.S. supported and support all Ukrainian actions including its claims to the Crimean Peninsula – despite of the Nazi laws in Ukraine.
It means that the U.S. support, inter alia, the Ukrainian plan to turn 67.9% of Crimean population into citizens of the “third-rate”! :clap2:

The question naturally arises – Why do the U.S. support such a country as Ukraine?

My opinion is that it doesn’t matter for the U.S. what kind of a country Ukraine is. The U.S. want to reduce Russian influence in Europe; the U.S. want to sell their liquefied gas in Europe etc.
Therefore, in my opinion, the U.S. are ready to support even Nazis if these Nazis are hostile towards Russia.

Source
Amerrikastanaian "values" first !
 

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Find on the Internet photos of the city of Grozny (the capital of Chechnya) in 1996-99 and photos of today or even 10 years ago. Compare it. Russia did it.
And then find photos of Mosul (Iraq) after the American aviation and artillery went through them. You don't have to look for modern photos. It seems to me that the US is not involved in their recovery
No amount of "whataboutism" can excuse Russia's conduct in Ukraine. Russia is indiscriminately grid shelling every single town they approach, intentionally targeting residential areas before entering. Probably 50,000 civilians dead in Mariupol alone. There are feral dogs eating dead bodies in the streets. Yes, it is on video.

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The US did not destroy Mosul. US forces left Iraq in 2011- we were not doing combat operations in 2016.

ISIS took over Mosul in 2014. The Iraqi army retook Mosul in 2016-2017 in a 9-month long battle that left the city in ruin. Coalition air forces supported the Iraqi army by targeting some ISIS positions within the city, not one single unguided or cluster munition was used. Same goes for the artillery fires, no unguided munitions and no cluster munitions. CEP 3m to avoid collateral damage.

The Battle of Mosul was Iraq, taking back an Iraqi city, from ISIS occupation- it was not the US conquering Mosul for territory.
 
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In Ukraine, the Ombudsman Denisova was fired
This is the one, who told in colorful detail the awesome stories about the rapes of women, men, children and grandmothers by the russian military.
This is the case when you get fired for indecent behavior from a brothel for perverts...
 

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MOSCOW, June 14. /tass/. The Ukrainian nationalist detachments opened crossfire on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who decided to surrender, as a result, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed. This was announced on Tuesday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov.

According to him, after the firing preparation of the offensive of Russian troops in the area of the settlement of Novomikhailovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to lay down their arms and surrender.

"At about 22 hours, the AFU servicemen with white flags began advancing towards the Russian positions. At that moment, a unit of the Ukrainian nationalist detachment that arrived at the stronghold on armored vehicles opened crossfire in the back at the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. <...> As a result of this shooting, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed," Konashenkov said.

According to him, the Ukrainian military, who wished to lay down their arms, occupying a strong point in the area of the animal farm, contacted the command of the Russian unit by radio, asked to cease fire and provide a corridor for exit.

"This incident, like many others like it, clearly shows that against the background of increasing military failures and demoralization of Ukrainian troops, the Kiev nationalist regime is trying to stop the retreat and surrender of its units by punitive actions of detachments," the general stressed.

He noted that the lives of Ukrainian servicemen and mobilized fighters of territorial defense units mean nothing to the current leadership of Ukraine. The official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stressed that during the special military operation, the Ukrainian army continues to suffer significant losses. "I would like to emphasize that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in combat areas," he said.
 

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MOSCOW, June 14. /tass/. The Ukrainian nationalist detachments opened crossfire on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who decided to surrender, as a result, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed. This was announced on Tuesday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov.

According to him, after the firing preparation of the offensive of Russian troops in the area of the settlement of Novomikhailovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to lay down their arms and surrender.

"At about 22 hours, the AFU servicemen with white flags began advancing towards the Russian positions. At that moment, a unit of the Ukrainian nationalist detachment that arrived at the stronghold on armored vehicles opened crossfire in the back at the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. <...> As a result of this shooting, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed," Konashenkov said.

According to him, the Ukrainian military, who wished to lay down their arms, occupying a strong point in the area of the animal farm, contacted the command of the Russian unit by radio, asked to cease fire and provide a corridor for exit.

"This incident, like many others like it, clearly shows that against the background of increasing military failures and demoralization of Ukrainian troops, the Kiev nationalist regime is trying to stop the retreat and surrender of its units by punitive actions of detachments," the general stressed.

He noted that the lives of Ukrainian servicemen and mobilized fighters of territorial defense units mean nothing to the current leadership of Ukraine. The official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stressed that during the special military operation, the Ukrainian army continues to suffer significant losses. "I would like to emphasize that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in combat areas," he said.

WTF? Why the hell would Ukranians want to surrender if they had Ukranian re-inforcements behind them and could simply retreat?

What makes you think it's not just some of that world famous Russian propaganda?

They keep getting caught lying and lying and lying again, what makes you think any of that is true?

In Butcha they claimed that mass graves and tied up civilians with headshots were somehow planted by Ukranians, but satelite imagery clearly showed those corpses laying in the streets for weeks while the area was under Russian occupation. There is even a video of a civilian on a bicycle getting shot by Russian heavy armor.

Why do you belive them? Truth means nothing to them.
 
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May as well also recall infamous bombing of maternity ward that Russian officials were blatantly and shamelessly lying about and claiming that photographed victims were actually actors in a false flag operation.



And also the Theater bombing that Russians unbelivably tried to claim was bombed by Ukranians



These are the people who you take at their word Ringo ? I guess there is a dupe born every minuet somehwere in Russia.
 
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Whats the point of your post?

That Russians officials DO NOT constantly, blatantly lie? That they did not falsely accuse bombing victims of being crisis actors?

That their Ukranian surrender story is credible?


NOPE. The point of your post is to deflect, because you don't have any non-stupid response and you don't have the intelectual integrity to admit something that is counter your preconcieved belief that Russia can do no wrong.
 
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And also the Theater bombing that Russians unbelivably tried to claim was bombed by Ukranians
Yeah, Antosha, nazis can't do wrong, everybody knows that!
 

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Yeah, Antosha, nazis can't do wrong, everybody knows that!
You Russians are the Nazis nowadays, headed by authoritarian imperialist. Germany and Italy are peaceful democracies.
 
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