Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has Nazi laws?

[Dissident]

So all you have is the Ukrainian language is taught to all students, comrade? And that makes them Nazis?

Have you read the first post of the thread “Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?”
It has nothing to do with “the Ukrainian language is taught to all students”.

The above mention thread describes how Ukrainian citizens according to their ethnic origin are divided into categories which have different rights – ethnic Crimean Tatars have more rights to use the Tatar language during the education; ethnic Hungarians have less rights than Crimean Tatars in their education; and ethnic Russians have less rights than Hungarians.

Division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories, which have different rights, is the main feature of Nazism.

 

[Dissident]

Nazi-ism is a whole lot more insidious than that.

Please give your definition of a Nazi state.
For me, Nazi state is a state whose laws divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights.
And the modern Ukraine matches this definition.

 

[easyt65]

What is the Democrat anti-Semite Party's fascination and obsession with Nazis?

 

[easyt65]

Please give your definition of a Nazi state.
For me, Nazi state is a state whose laws divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights.

Like Democrats...

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Really?

How did Ukrainians, the tiny smattering that had survived Stalin's genocide, get from Ukraine to German occupied territory?

They either volunteered, or were former POW's themselves that "switched sides".


When the Germans invaded Ukraine, a lot of Ukrainians saw them as liberators from the Soviets. They were happy to help get back at the Russians. SS Galicia division, (14th SS "Freiwillgen" Division) was made up of Ukrainian volunteers. They were tasked in anti-partisan affairs, and some members volunteered to be camp guards. In Poland, a number of Ukrainians were close by enough to be either pressed into service, or were given the option to "volunteer" for service. Some Ukrainian POW's chose this option. There were always a number of radicals, and these men volunteered to be sent wherever they were needed.


The fact is, the majority of death camp guards were German. There were some other nationalities who volunteered, a number of them Ukrainian, but the majority were German. In POW camps, (different from death camps), the numbers of foreign volunteers were much higher. Any POW camp that held Russian prisoners was bound to have a set of Ukrainian guards in place.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Have you read the first post of the thread “Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?”
It has nothing to do with “the Ukrainian language is taught to all students”.

The above mention thread describes how Ukrainian citizens according to their ethnic origin are divided into categories which have different rights – ethnic Crimean Tatars have more rights to use the Tatar language during the education; ethnic Hungarians have less rights than Crimean Tatars in their education; and ethnic Russians have less rights than Hungarians.

Division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories, which have different rights, is the main feature of Nazism.

What rights are different? You never explained. Give us the actual laws that target ethnic minorities, other than teaching them the national language.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Please give your definition of a Nazi state.
For me, Nazi state is a state whose laws divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights.

So like America where whites are inferior citizens that can be gunned down and arrested without charge for protesting?

 

[Donald H]

The difficult question on why the US supports the Ukraine, the Saudis, or several corrupt regimes is easy to answer when the facts are acknowledged.

The US doesn't support the Ukraine. The Ukraine is only a pawn and a proxy country for America's war on Russia.

America's government is gambling with the lives of Americans, due to the increase in the possibility of nuclear war.

The objective of the confidence propaganda is in keeping Americans feeling that it's worth it.

All of America's many wars of aggression since WW2 can be argued to be worth it, with some conviction. This one against Russia is a much different gamble.

Questioning whether or not Russia's nuclear arsenal will even work anymore can be a part of the gamble!

 

[bripat9643]

Have you read the first post of the thread “Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?”
It has nothing to do with “the Ukrainian language is taught to all students”.

The above mention thread describes how Ukrainian citizens according to their ethnic origin are divided into categories which have different rights – ethnic Crimean Tatars have more rights to use the Tatar language during the education; ethnic Hungarians have less rights than Crimean Tatars in their education; and ethnic Russians have less rights than Hungarians.

Division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories, which have different rights, is the main feature of Nazism.

It's also the main feature of liberalism.

 

[bripat9643]

Please give your definition of a Nazi state.
For me, Nazi state is a state whose laws divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights.

Like the USA?

 

[bodecea]

The Dims support the Ukraine because this is where all the millions are laundered and they get their cuts.

Another Republican White-winger in support of Putin the war criminal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

They either volunteered, or were former POW's themselves that "switched sides".


When the Germans invaded Ukraine, a lot of Ukrainians saw them as liberators from the Soviets. They were happy to help get back at the Russians. SS Galicia division, (14th SS "Freiwillgen" Division) was made up of Ukrainian volunteers. They were tasked in anti-partisan affairs, and some members volunteered to be camp guards. In Poland, a number of Ukrainians were close by enough to be either pressed into service, or were given the option to "volunteer" for service. Some Ukrainian POW's chose this option. There were always a number of radicals, and these men volunteered to be sent wherever they were needed.


The fact is, the majority of death camp guards were German. There were some other nationalities who volunteered, a number of them Ukrainian, but the majority were German. In POW camps, (different from death camps), the numbers of foreign volunteers were much higher. Any POW camp that held Russian prisoners was bound to have a set of Ukrainian guards in place.

The thing is, there WEREN'T a lot of Ukrainians - they were the subject of genocide. Stalin had murdered 95% of them. The occupants of the Ukraine at that time were mostly Ethnic Russians, and HEAVILY Jewish, which did not work out well for them under the Nazis.

Research Guides: The 1932-1933 Ukrainian Famine: Stalin’s Genocide: Introduction

Research Guides: The 1932-1933 Ukrainian Famine: Stalin’s Genocide: Introduction

guides.library.manoa.hawaii.edu

 

[g5000]

Have you read the first post of the thread “Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?”
It has nothing to do with “the Ukrainian language is taught to all students”.

The above mention thread describes how Ukrainian citizens according to their ethnic origin are divided into categories which have different rights – ethnic Crimean Tatars have more rights to use the Tatar language during the education; ethnic Hungarians have less rights than Crimean Tatars in their education; and ethnic Russians have less rights than Hungarians.

Division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories, which have different rights, is the main feature of Nazism.

Dude, I read it. You are claiming that ethnic minorities being taught the Ukrainian language IN UKRAINE makes Ukraine a Nazi state!

This is the most idiotic reasoning possible.

 

[Rigby5]

Thanks for your Analysis, Baghdad Bob.

And isn't it true that Baghdad Bob was right that the US was lying about Iraqi WMD, the US was committing war crimes, the invasion was illegal, the US murdered half a million innocent Iraqi civilians, the US illegally tortured POWs in Bagrham, etc.?
Are you trying to imply that Baghdad Bob was wrong in some way?

The US has always been on the wrong side, deliberately starting wars to invade or install dictators, like with Chaig Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Samosa in Nicaragua, Pinochet in Chile, Batista in Cuba, the Shah in Iran, etc.

 

[g5000]

The Dims support the Ukraine because this is where all the millions are laundered and they get their cuts.

Um...retard? Paul Manafort did launder his money that he received for his work for a Putin-backed puppet in Ukraine.

But he's not a Dim. He was Trump's right-hand man during the 2016 campaign.

He went to prison for it because he actually was guilty of money laundering.

 

[Dissident]

I love the use of the term, "Ethnic Russians".
...
Pennsylvania has a large population of Ethnic Germans, yet Germany does not invade Pennsylvania.

If Pennsylvania were an independent state and made territorial claims to a region which Germany considers its own; and if at the same time Pennsylvania intensively armed itself, constantly declared its plans to join a military alliance etc., couldn’t Germany consider Pennsylvania as a threat?

And if Germany could consider Pennsylvania as a threat, wouldn’t Germany have the right to start a military operation against Pennsylvania?

In 2003 the U.S. decided that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. and therefore the U.S. invaded Iraq and occupied it for 8 years – till December 2011.

In 1982 Israel decided that Lebanon was a threat to Israel and therefore Israel invaded Lebanon and occupied the Southern part of this country for 18 years – till May 2000.

And so on.

 

[Richard-H]

Please give your definition of a Nazi state.
For me, Nazi state is a state whose laws divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights.
And the modern Ukraine matches this definition.

Unlike you, I don't make up definitions on a whim:

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[g5000]

And isn't it true that Baghdad Bob was right that the US was lying about Iraqi WMD, the US was committing war crimes, the invasion was illegal, the US murdered half a million innocent Iraqi civilians, the US illegally tortured POWs in Bagrham, etc.?
Are you trying to imply that Baghdad Bob was wrong in some way?

The US has always been on the wrong side, deliberately starting wars to invade or install dictators, like with Chaig Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Samosa in Nicaragua, Pinochet in Chile, Batista in Cuba, the Shah in Iran, etc.

Every year after the invasion, the pseuco-conservatives on this board insisted there were WMDs in Iraq. And whenever WMDs showed up elsewhere on the planet, they claimed the offender had gotten them from Iraq, with ZERO evidence.

Then along comes Trump, who has always insisted there were NOT any WMDs in Iraq, and who had insisted Bush should have been impeached for lying (how ironic), and suddenly all the pseudocons turned on a dime and not a word was said about WMDs in Iraq ever again.

 

[Rigby5]

I love the use of the term, "Ethnic Russians".


New York City has a massive Ethnic Italian population, yet Italy does not invade New York.

Pennsylvania has a large population of Ethnic Germans, yet Germany does not invade Pennsylvania.

Louisiana has a large population of Ethnic French, yet France does not invade Louisiana.

Texas has a large population of Ethnic Mexicans, yet Mexico doe- wait a minute....

The difference is that no one illegally gave part of Italy to NYC in 1955, like Khrushchev (a Ukrainian), did with many Russian provinces being illegally given to the Ukraine.

And NYC is not illegally murdering ethnic Italians the way the Ukraine is murdering ethnic Russians.
Who do you think were those bodies we see in Bocha? They were not killed by Russians, since the Russians were already gone. They were killed by the Azov Battalion because they were ethnic Russians.

 

[JWBooth]

Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has Nazi laws?​

Dunno, the US brought boatloads of useful Nazis here after WWll.