Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has Nazi laws?

[Rigby5]

You are so full of shit that no one can take you seriously.

What a federation is has long been defined.
The US is a federation for example.
Small countries often join federations so they save money or gain security, but then they give up some autonomy.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whether or not Russia is more corrupt than the Ukraine, would require more time than I care to devote.
But the point is that clearly the Ukraine is extremely harmful to the provinces that are majority ethnic Russia, so they have the right to leave the Ukraine.

The Russians do, not the regions.

Stalin waged genocide on Ukraine and brought in replacements who were Russian.

Fuck them, they can return to Russia if they don't like being Ukranian.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I already quoted many Holocaust survivor testimony saying 80% of the death camp guards were Ukrainian.
There is nothing remotely communist about China.

No you did not. You are a bald faced liar

Yes China is a communist nation.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Treaties are almost always private.
You only make them public if you want to manipulate the public.
A treaty is a contract intended to benefit both parties.
The Ukraine wanted and was given independence.
All Russia asked in return was to not join alliances hostile to Russia.
Seems not only extremely fair, but evil for the Ukraine to deliberately violate like Kyiv did.

They are never private.

Ukraine violated no treaty.

 

[Rigby5]

The Un is meaningless and a toll they do not override or supercede US law

Wrong.
The point again is that Congress voted on and ratified the UN Charter into US law.
So when the UN rules against some action by the US, that does NOT override or supercede US law.
It has become part of US law.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What a federation is has long been defined.
The US is a federation for example.
Small countries often join federations so they save money or gain security, but then they give up some autonomy.

The Russian Federation is a nation formed AFTER the collapse of the Imperialist Soviet Dictatorship fell.

The USSR and Russian Federation are two distinctly different entities. Boris Yeltsin is a hero, Vladimir Lenin one of the most evil tyrants in the history of the planet.

 

[Rigby5]

No it is not.

they were free to sell to whom ever wished to buy it.

No one prevented any such thing the owners simply cbhose not to give assistance to thieves.

Wrong.

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[Rigby5]

No you did not. You are a bald faced liar

Yes China is a communist nation.

Dec 2009: Ukrainian guards worse than Nazis, survivor says

MUNICH, Germany — A survivor of the Sobibor death camp testified that Ukrainian guards in Nazi-occupied Poland were worse than the Nazis’ infamous paramilitary SS as he recalled his experi...

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Ukrainian guards worse than Nazis, survivor says​

By: Geir Moulson
Posted: 1:00 AM CST Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2009

MUNICH, Germany -- A survivor of the Sobibor death camp testified that Ukrainian guards in Nazi-occupied Poland were worse than the Nazis' infamous paramilitary SS as he recalled his experiences Tuesday at the trial of John Demjanjuk.
The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk, a retired auto worker who was deported from the U.S. in May, is charged with 27,900 counts of accessory to murder for his alleged activities as a guard at Sobibor.

Jules Schelvis, an 88-year-old from the Netherlands, recalled being deported to Sobibor in 1943 along with his family. He told the Munich state court that he lost 18 relatives -- including his wife, Rachel -- at the camp.

Schelvis, one of dozens of victims' relatives who have joined the trial as co-plaintiffs, as allowed under German law, recounted his 72-hour journey from the Dutch transit camp of Westerbork in a cramped freight car, with no food and little water or fresh air.

"We were crammed in like herrings in a barrel," Schelvis testified.

At Sobibor, Schelvis recalled, the new arrivals were made to leave all their belongings in a hut before an SS man separated the men from the women, who "disappeared from view."

Another SS man selected strong young men -- including Schelvis' brother-in-law -- and the witness said he also was allowed to join the group after giving an assurance that he was healthy and spoke German.

The group was taken on a long drive and march from Sobibor to Dorohucza, where they were put to work digging up peat to serve as fuel, Schelvis said.

Schelvis said he first came across Ukrainian guards at Dorohucza. "We knew that the Ukrainian guards were worse than the SS," he told the court.

He said that, near Lublin, he saw two Ukrainian guards pass by with two Jewish prisoners.

"We heard shots, and they came back without the two men and with their clothes," he said. "Then we knew that they were worse than the others."
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[Rigby5]

The Russian Federation is a nation formed AFTER the collapse of the Imperialist Soviet Dictatorship fell.

The USSR and Russian Federation are two distinctly different entities. Boris Yeltsin is a hero, Vladimir Lenin one of the most evil tyrants in the history of the planet.

You seem to fail to notice the difference between when something is capitalized or not.
The USSR was a federation.
What it is actually named does not matter.
Boris Yeltsin did not grant the Ukraine its independence, Gorbachev did.

 

[Rigby5]

Dumbass, not everything good or bad is Nazism.

If US gets rid of ESL classes that would be bad policy, but that doesn't mean that we are somehow Nazis.

Is that a concept too complicated for your tiny partisan squirrel brain?

No one was ever talking about language classes.
You totally missed the point.

 

[Rigby5]

You're so full of shit.

Dictatorship of the proletarians is exactly that, dictatorship. The middle class, whom Marx called "bourgeoisie" were excluded from voting or any sort of inclusion in governance.

You lie because "dictatorship" doesn't poll well.

Wrong.
Democracy is often called a dictatorship of the majority.
You just are not at all following long standing definitions.
And the bourgeoisie was never excluded from voting.
They were just not the majority, so would not win any vote process.
All governments are dictatorships in that you can't appease all parties.
One opinion has to win and others lose.
Whether that is good of bad is determined by other things, like if the majority wins or not.
All governments are always dictatorships by definition.

 

[Rigby5]

The Russians do, not the regions.

Stalin waged genocide on Ukraine and brought in replacements who were Russian.

Fuck them, they can return to Russia if they don't like being Ukranian.

Wrong.
The regions belong to the long standing ethnic Russian inhabitants, and they go with their natives.
They were illegally given to the Ukraine in 1955 by the Ukrainian, Khrushchev.
That violated their inherent local autonomy.
They were there over 1000 years.
It is the Ukrainians who are the more recent immigrants and do not belong.

 

[Dissident]

Such laws, if they exist, are the result of discrimination...

OK
I have understood your opinion - there are no Nazi laws in Ukraine but maybe there are discriminating laws.
But why do your scholars say that "we stand united with free, independent and democratic Ukraine" in such a case (see here)?

Can a democratic state have discriminating laws?

I believe that your scholars know a lot about Nazism, genocide etc. but they know almost nothing about the present Ukraine.
These scholars – like you – only know the information which is provided by Western media.

 

[task0778]

Can a democratic state have discriminating laws?

Yes. Doesn't make it right, but it happens. Jim Crow laws for example.

I believe that your scholars know a lot about Nazism, genocide etc. but they know almost nothing about the present Ukraine.

I suspect they know as much or more than you do.

These scholars – like you – only know the information which is provided by Western media.

Whereas you know what Russia is telling you and we don't? You're reading some obscure blog on the internet and accepting it at face value?



It could be that those 'NAZI Laws' you speak of are actually an attempt to protect the indigent people in Ukraine from being wiped out by the Russians that have migrated into some regions in Ukraine.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Correct.

Porter McConnell was/is part and party to the Hunter Biden, Chris Heinz (John Kerry), Paul Pelosi Jr. embezzlement gang.

Corruption, it turns out, is a bi-partisan effort.

DC and Davos are epicenters of evil

 

[AntonToo]

Anyone not acknowledging the wide spread discrimination against ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, would have to be lying. It is notorious.

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Ukraine is a multi-ethnic country that was formerly part of the Soviet Union.[1][2][3] Valeriy Govgalenko argues that racism and ethnic discrimination has arguably been a largely fringe issue in the past, but has had a climb in social influence due to ultra-nationalist parties gaining attention in recent years.[4] There have been recorded incidents of violence where the victim's race is widely thought to have played a role, these incidents receive extensive media coverage and are usually condemned by all mainstream political forces.[5] Human Rights Watch reported that "racism and xenophobia remain entrenched problems in Ukraine".[6] In 2012 the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) reported that "tolerance towards Jews, Russians and Romani appears to have significantly declined in Ukraine since 2000 and prejudices are also reflected in daily life against other groups, who experience problems in accessing goods and services".[7] From 2006 to 2008, 184 attacks and 12 racially motivated murders took place.[8] In 2009, no such murders were recorded, but 40 racial incidents of violence were reported.[8] It is worth considering that, according to Alexander Feldman, president of the Association of National and Cultural Unions of Ukraine, "People attacked on racial grounds do not report the incidents to the police and police often fail to classify such attacks as racially motivated and often write them off as domestic offence or hooliganism".[8]
A 2010 poll conducted by the Kuras Institute of Political and Ethnic Studies [uk] showed that some 70 percent of Ukrainians estimates the nation's attitude towards other ethnical minorities as ‘conflict’ and ‘tense’.[9]
...}

Racism in Ukraine - Wikipedia

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The fact Zelensky was taught Russia first, does not mean he did not resent it and hold that against Russian speakers.
The fact Ukrainians may have been discriminated against under Stalin, does not excuse the racists and violent discrimination now by Kyiv against ethnic Russians.

Moron you've said that Russian speakers can't vote or hold office in Ukraine.

Zelenskiy' first language is Russian, he speaks it fluently, just like many other Ukranian politicians and voters.

You don't refute that. So how about you admit that what you've said is bullshit?

There is some descrimination that could be found in any country, but as a matter of law and practice Russian speakers can in fact vote and hold office in Ukraine.

 

[Likkmee]

So all you have is the Ukrainian language is taught to all students, comrade? And that makes them Nazis? BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Be careful. There are a lot of Republicans who believe only English should be taught in our schools, too. They demand English be made the official language of the US. Are they Nazis, comrade?

Maybe an unrelenting desire for operation paperclip ?

 

[AntonToo]

I repeat again and again – this isn’t about “mandating national language in Ukrainian public education system”.

Under Ukrainian laws, different ethnic groups have different rights in Ukraine - for example, ethnic Crimean Tatars have more rights to use their native language – the Tatar language – during the education in public schools; ethnic Hungarians have less rights than Crimean Tatars to use their native language – the Hungarian – during the education in public schools; and ethnic Russians have less rights to use their native language – the Russian - than Hungarians.

And I ask the same question again and again
Aren’t the laws, which divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories, some of which have more rights and others have less rights, the Nazi laws?

Don't quote my posts if you can't actually address what I said.

I'm not interested in you repeating same already refuted bullshit over and over.

Country using it's official language in schools is not Nazism. Your thesis is a laughable hyperbole in search of excuse for a bloody, illegal invasion of a sovereign country.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I repeat again and again – this isn’t about “mandating national language in Ukrainian public education system”.

Under Ukrainian laws, different ethnic groups have different rights in Ukraine - for example, ethnic Crimean Tatars have more rights to use their native language – the Tatar language – during the education in public schools; ethnic Hungarians have less rights than Crimean Tatars to use their native language – the Hungarian – during the education in public schools; and ethnic Russians have less rights to use their native language – the Russian - than Hungarians.

And I ask the same question again and again
Aren’t the laws, which divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories, some of which have more rights and others have less rights, the Nazi laws?

That is the law YOU fucking quoted, you G-D dumbass!

The answer to your question is NO!

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
The point again is that Congress voted on and ratified the UN Charter into US law.
So when the UN rules against some action by the US, that does NOT override or supercede US law.
It has become part of US law.

It is not law.