D. Trump: "You (Ukrainians) should have never started it."

[Rigby5]

do you like Dugin´s Jihadi philosophy ?

Dugin is correct that the US is on a dystopian path instead of promoting normalism.

 

[Rigby5]

He will be burning books before long like his Nazi friends they have already burned people.

Nonsense.
Dugin is not pushing censoring books, the US is the one who is.
The only "Nazis" in the world now are the Azov Battalion of Kyiv, and Israel.

 

[Litwin]

Dugin is correct that the US is on a dystopian path instead of promoting normalism.

do you support distraction of US ?

Thread 'PUTIN´S BRAIN Dugin: "Moscow empire fights for itself and for Chinese, Indian, Islamic, African, Latin American guys."'

Jan 29, 2025

PUTIN´S BRAIN Dugin: "Moscow empire fights for itself and for Chinese, Indian, Islamic, African, Latin American guys." "traditional values" are murder, violence, looting and huge lies...


as professor Timothy Snyder said : "The West Needs To Abandon The Fantasy That There's Anything We Can Say Or Do To "Make Moscow empire Normal"...

Putin's Brain

Alexander Dugin’s Eurasianist ideology has influenced a whole generation of Russian conservatives and radicals and provided the intellectual basis for invading Ukraine. The philosophy has worked to Putin's advantage so far, but whether he can control it as he has so many others is a question...

www.foreignaffairs.com

Timothy Snyder: "The West Needs To Abandon The...

• Litwin

 

[otto105]

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US President D. Trump described the reason for the current situation in Ukraine last month as follows:

see The Guardian

Below I present my view of what D. Trump meant by this sentence.

Spoiler

In February 2023, more than two years ago, D. Trump published a video message on his official website containing the following words:
"For decades, we've had the very same people, such as Victoria Nuland and many others just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department's support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time…"

I believe that at the end of 2013, Ukrainians - provoked by then-US President B. Obama and his subordinates, including the aforementioned Victoria Nuland - began protesting against a completely insignificant issue: against the postponement of the signing of an Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU. At some point during these protests, the opposition began committing arson and killings.

However, firstly, the next presidential elections in Ukraine should have taken place in 15 months, and then Ukrainians could have legally elected another President who would sign the above-mentioned agreement more quickly.
Secondly, in November 2013, not only Ukraine but also Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova were offered to sign this Agreement. Azerbaijan too refused to sign the Agreement, and despite signing it in November 2013, Georgia and Moldova have not become EU members so far.
Thirdly, countries are constantly joining and leaving different unions, and nowhere (except in Ukraine) this has become a major problem.

From the above, we can conclude that Ukrainians should have never started killing and arson during the Euromaidan.

In addition, the Ukrainian Parliament (immediately after the illegal removal of then President V. Yanukovych from power) repealed by a majority vote the Language Law that had previously granted regional status to the Russian language in Ukraine.
And as even the first post-Maidan President of Ukraine, P. Poroshenko, called this a mistake, Ukrainians should have never started restricting the linguistic rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

And then the situation developed according to the scenario that unfolded in Yugoslav Kosovo in the late 1990s.

Ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine began to fight against the new Ukrainian government, but the Ukrainian media (like the Yugoslav media in the late 1990s) began to claim that the fighters in eastern Ukraine were actually foreigners who had received weapons from abroad.

There were only two differences between the situation in Ukraine and that in Yugoslavia.
The first difference was that the Yugoslav media had claimed that citizens of neighboring Albania were fighting in Kosovo, while the Ukrainian media claimed that citizens of neighboring Russia were fighting in eastern Ukraine.
The second difference was that NATO countries had supported the separatists in Kosovo by beginning to bomb Yugoslavia. In Ukraine, however, NATO countries supported the central government by beginning to supply it with weapons.

After the Crimea became part of the Russian Federation following a referendum, in 2021 the Ukrainian authorities began threatening Russia with military action to "reintegrate the Crimea into Ukraine." see the official website of the President of Ukraine. I believe that Ukrainians should have never started threatening Russia with this. In my opinion, these threats became one of the main reasons for the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine in February 2022.

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Hilarious

When can we invade Panama, Canada and Greenland!!!!


Come on already!!!!


When can we start being Britain already with a king!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rigby5]

do you like Dugin´s Jihadi philosophy ?

There is nothing "jihadi" about Dugin's philosophy.
He simply is saying that liberalism can go too far, and that some traditions are important to human society.

 

[Rigby5]

do you support distraction of US ?
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Thread 'PUTIN´S BRAIN Dugin: "Moscow empire fights for itself and for Chinese, Indian, Islamic, African, Latin American guys."'

Jan 29, 2025

PUTIN´S BRAIN Dugin: "Moscow empire fights for itself and for Chinese, Indian, Islamic, African, Latin American guys." "traditional values" are murder, violence, looting and huge lies...


as professor Timothy Snyder said : "The West Needs To Abandon The Fantasy That There's Anything We Can Say Or Do To "Make Moscow empire Normal"...

Putin's Brain

Alexander Dugin’s Eurasianist ideology has influenced a whole generation of Russian conservatives and radicals and provided the intellectual basis for invading Ukraine. The philosophy has worked to Putin's advantage so far, but whether he can control it as he has so many others is a question...

www.foreignaffairs.com

Timothy Snyder: "The West Needs To Abandon The...

• Litwin

Oh absolutely.
The US is the most evil country in the world, and has started more wars and murdered more innocents than anyone else.
Do a historical run down.
We attempted genocide of the native Americans, not just by wiping out their food like the buffalo, but deliberate smallpox infections.
We lied and invaded Mexico twice, even though they were just defending their lands.
We lied about the USS Maine boiler explosion, to steal Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, etc.
We joined the Allied colonial imperialists in assassination and invasion of Germany in WWI.
We tried to install Chang Kai Shek as dictator in China.
We tried to install Syngman Rhee as dictator in Korea.
We tried to install Diem as dictator in Vietnam.
We tried to install Batista as dictator in Cuba.
We tried to install Samosa as dictator in Nicaragua.
We tried to install Marcos as dictator in the Philippines.
Etc.
The Ukraine and Israel are just our latest war crimes.

 

[Rigby5]

Hilarious

When can we invade Panama, Canada and Greenland!!!!


Come on already!!!!


When can we start being Britain already with a king!!!!!!!!!

Actually Panama is a fake country that we created with a fake rebellion from Columbia.
Canada is a fake country the British stole from the French.
Greenland has always been a fake country, since Denmark never had anything to do with Greenland. Greenland is either Mongolian from the Inuit, or Noreigian from the Vikings.

 

[Dissident]

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V. Zelenskyy's visits to D. Trump

Since Donald Trump's re-inauguration as US President in January of this year, Ukrainian President V. Zelenskyy has repeatedly flown to the US to meet with him.
Zelenskyy's trips were always heralded as something momentous in Ukraine. However, the Ukrainian leaders' unwavering belief that the world owes them something often leads to results far removed from expectations.

This opinion of Ukrainian leaders is known not only in the United States.
UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace stated during his time in the UK government:​

… whether we like it or not, people want to see gratitude for the West's military contributions to Ukraine's war effort… I said to the Ukrainians last June, when I drove 11 hours to be given a list – I'm not Amazon.​

see CNN

In February of this year, Zelenskyy flew to Trump with a similar attitude. However, he was met with a harsh rebuff from the American President, who told Zelenskyy the following (see the quote below):​

… you're not acting at all thankful, and that's not a nice thing. I'll be honest. That's not a nice thing.​

see Reuters

Reuters' report went on to say that - according to a White House official - after this round of talks, Trump instructed two of his senior aides to inform Zelenskyy that it was time for him to leave the White House, even as staff were preparing to serve the delegations lunch.
The official added that the Ukrainians were ordered to leave despite their desire to continue negotiations.

The next time, Ukraine's European overseers decided not to let Zelenskyy travel to Washington alone, and in August 2025, the Ukrainian President arrived for a meeting with Donald Trump as part of an entire delegation, in which French President Emmanuel Macron played a particularly active role.

However, in August too, D. Trump refused to promise Zelenskyy support in restoring Kyiv's control over the regions which are now parts of the Russian Federation.
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Last week, Zelenskyy arrived alone for his meeting with Donald Trump, even without Emmanuel Macron, and that is understandable. After all, the French President is now facing a slew of problems in his own country.

8 days ago, Deutsche Welle, the German state media corporation, published a material with an eloquent title:​

Frankreich in der Krise: Zieht es (Frankreich) Europa mit in den Abgrund?​

The crisis in France. Will France drag all of Europe with it in an abyss?
https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNE70l635s

The material - among other things - discusses the growth of France's public debt, high unemployment, and social instability in the country.

Regarding the meeting between D. Trump and V. Zelenskyy last week, The Washington Post described it as follows:​

In tense meeting, Trump told Zelensky to concede land, meet Putin's demands​

see The Washington Post​

 

[cnm]

Dissident

You wrote:

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US President D. Trump described the reason for the current situation in Ukraine last month as follows:

"You (Ukrainians) should have never started it."
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Question: The Ukrainians should have never started what?

Determining what happens in their own country, obviously.

 

[cnm]

No. We are fighting against Banderlogs.

No. Ukrainians are Russians. Just some of them are stupid criminals and traitors. Do Americans hate Hillbillies?

So, then, Russians are Ukrainians.

Do you think they can stop resenting it?

 

[zaangalewa]

Determining what happens in their own country, obviously.

So if I understand you correctly, you US-Americans want to give the Ukraine to Putin and then blame the Ukrainians for resisting. Can't you take your solidarity among lunatics a little too far? ... Not in the US, I would guess. You are indeed the country of the unlimited possibilities.

 

[otto105]

So if I understand you correctly, you US-Americans want to give the Ukraine to Putin and then blame the Ukrainians for resisting. Can't you take your solidarity among lunatics a little too far? ... Not in the US, I would guess. You are indeed the country of the unlimited possibilities.

It’s maga not all Americans.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

​

US President D. Trump described the reason for the current situation in Ukraine last month as follows:

see The Guardian

Below I present my view of what D. Trump meant by this sentence.

Spoiler

In February 2023, more than two years ago, D. Trump published a video message on his official website containing the following words:
"For decades, we've had the very same people, such as Victoria Nuland and many others just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department's support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time…"

I believe that at the end of 2013, Ukrainians - provoked by then-US President B. Obama and his subordinates, including the aforementioned Victoria Nuland - began protesting against a completely insignificant issue: against the postponement of the signing of an Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU. At some point during these protests, the opposition began committing arson and killings.

However, firstly, the next presidential elections in Ukraine should have taken place in 15 months, and then Ukrainians could have legally elected another President who would sign the above-mentioned agreement more quickly.
Secondly, in November 2013, not only Ukraine but also Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova were offered to sign this Agreement. Azerbaijan too refused to sign the Agreement, and despite signing it in November 2013, Georgia and Moldova have not become EU members so far.
Thirdly, countries are constantly joining and leaving different unions, and nowhere (except in Ukraine) this has become a major problem.

From the above, we can conclude that Ukrainians should have never started killing and arson during the Euromaidan.

In addition, the Ukrainian Parliament (immediately after the illegal removal of then President V. Yanukovych from power) repealed by a majority vote the Language Law that had previously granted regional status to the Russian language in Ukraine.
And as even the first post-Maidan President of Ukraine, P. Poroshenko, called this a mistake, Ukrainians should have never started restricting the linguistic rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

And then the situation developed according to the scenario that unfolded in Yugoslav Kosovo in the late 1990s.

Ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine began to fight against the new Ukrainian government, but the Ukrainian media (like the Yugoslav media in the late 1990s) began to claim that the fighters in eastern Ukraine were actually foreigners who had received weapons from abroad.

There were only two differences between the situation in Ukraine and that in Yugoslavia.
The first difference was that the Yugoslav media had claimed that citizens of neighboring Albania were fighting in Kosovo, while the Ukrainian media claimed that citizens of neighboring Russia were fighting in eastern Ukraine.
The second difference was that NATO countries had supported the separatists in Kosovo by beginning to bomb Yugoslavia. In Ukraine, however, NATO countries supported the central government by beginning to supply it with weapons.

After the Crimea became part of the Russian Federation following a referendum, in 2021 the Ukrainian authorities began threatening Russia with military action to "reintegrate the Crimea into Ukraine." see the official website of the President of Ukraine. I believe that Ukrainians should have never started threatening Russia with this. In my opinion, these threats became one of the main reasons for the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine in February 2022.

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He’s right

 

[otto105]

He’s right

First, is his opinion expressed in an actual sentence?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

First, is his opinion expressed in an actual sentence?

In rambling sentences, yes.

It wasn’t “Ukraine” that started it; it was the Western MIC and bankers who believed the CIA’s “Russia is a paper tiger” assessment.

Having bought Ukraine for a song, they thought they would be carving up Russia by now

 

[otto105]

In rambling sentences, yes.

It wasn’t “Ukraine” that started it; it was the Western MIC and bankers who believed the CIA’s “Russia is a paper tiger” assessment.

Having bought Ukraine for a song, they thought they would be carving up Russia by now

WTF Frank.

Why the Russian propaganda?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

WTF Frank.

Why the Russian propaganda?

What Russian propaganda?

Ukraine was ready to sign a peace deal in April 2022 where they agree to never join NATO, but were ordered to throw it back in Putin’s face!

Ukraine has lost 1.8MM young men since then!! What’s the point of this?

 

[zaangalewa]

He’s right

Who ¿Trump? ¿Donald Trump right? What had happened? Is grass not blue any longer?

 

[zaangalewa]

What Russian propaganda?

Ukraine was ready to sign a peace deal in April 2022 where they agree to never join NATO ...

This is Russian war propaganda, US-Russian. The NATO is by the way only a defense alliance. ... Oh, and another "by the way": the Ukrainians can't just go home and end war in this way. They are at home and the country they defend is theirs. The Russians have to go home - this will end this war.

 

[zaangalewa]

Totally wrong.
They have discovered that instead of landing nuclear explosions on the ground, that high altitude air bursts produce EMPs that knock out all electrical devices.
That means all cellphones, all US made vehicles, TVs, computers, etc.
Which means 3 of them is all Russia needs in order to put the US back to the stone age. ...

Ever heard of a neutron bomb? It does exactly the same thing as this Russian hardware – except that it also wipes out all animal life from the battlefield – without radioactive radiation. Afterwards, you walk through an eerie silence. Well, well – and what, you say, does your stupid propaganda say about us Germans? Happy Halloween!