Why do some right wingers Say if you go against Israel, you go against God? Israel existed thousands of years ago. It’s not the same as modern Israel

[Foxfyre]

Although I disagree with your assessment of Soviet Jews all of that above is interesting.

I’m not against Zionist. I’m not against the existence of the modern day state of Israel. But I feel very comfortable in agreeing with Tucker Carlson and many others that one is not going against God if they criticize the current government of Israel and… really what were talking about is an element of the government not the entire government.

Well there are Jews in Israel who are far more critical of Netanyahu compared to myself. Well this point is probably the most important point of all because if I am disagreeing with a Jew in Israel who is adamantly against Netanyahu, does that mean I’m going against God? So which one is it which politician in Israel do I have to disagree with to go against God.?

That’s the point I think you understand it I don’t know if our friend TemplarKormac understand that this is what I am saying.

That’s why somebody is not going against God if they criticize the current government of Israel.

If we want to do our best to follow the Lord in my opinion we have to look at things like the 10 Commandments, the New Testament, the Catholic Church… of course I’m talking about if somebody is a Christian perhaps or a Catholic which represents more than 1 billion Christians in the world.

The question was not how to follow the Lord. The question was whether a person is going against God if the person opposes the Jews and Israel. A Zionist is a person who believes God gave the Jews the land called Israel as a homeland and that the Jews deserve to be able to live in that homeland in peace.

You can disagree with me all you want re Russia, but I'm pretty confident that my version of the history of Russia and the Jews is the correct one. (I have taught that history for a number of years and have had some very smart students with major college degrees who have not challenged my understanding of that history. Many have affirmed it.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

The question was not how to follow the Lord. The question was whether a person is going against God if the person opposes the Jews and Israel. A Zionist is a person who believes God gave the Jews the land called Israel as a homeland and that the Jews deserve to be able to live in that homeland in peace.

You can disagree with me all you want re Russia, but I'm pretty confident that my version of the history of Russia and the Jews is the correct one. (I have taught that history for a number of years and have had some very smart students with major college degrees who have not challenged my understanding of that history. Many have affirmed it.

Being against Jews is different from disagreeing with the Netanyahu administration. Much of the pro Palestinian protests in the US are led by Jews.

Modern Israel is governed by a political administration in large part including atheists.

“Going against God” Is an opinion and will be viewed differently depending on one’s religion. Ie what about Hindus don’t forget about them

 

[Foxfyre]

Being against Jews is different from disagreeing with the Netanyahu administration. Much of the pro Palestinian protests in the US are led by Jews.

Modern Israel is governed by a political administration in large part including atheists.

“Going against God” Is an opinion and will be viewed differently depending on one’s religion. Ie what about Hindus don’t forget about them

Again you seem to be changing the subject. The issue is not about Netanyahu or who approves of who and it certainly isn't about Hindus. The title of the OP is whether going against Israel is going against god.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Again you seem to be changing the subject. The issue is not about Netanyahu or who approves of who and it certainly isn't about Hindus. The title of the OP is whether going against Israel is going against god.

Well my friend

The explanation is being provided. Going against Israel is a broad statement…..one has to dig deeper…IE is the person making the statement against Israeli policies, are they against all Jews , etc.

But it’s also related that yes much of the Israeli government is inclusive of atheists. So are they against God?

And let’s not forget about Buddhists and Hindus what do they think of this question. It’s a fair point when a person invokes God. As there are plenty of belief systems in the world.

 

[GLASNOST]

Yay Tucker Brought this up with Ted Cruz. Obviously Cruz is great for a lot of things for the second amendment. I assume for free speech although I don’t know what he thinks about policing perceived “antisemitism” speech…still he is great on the border. He is great for the second amendment.



But man it’s really weird that a small percentage of right wingers keep on bringing this point up “if you go against Israel, you go against God” ….

Of course as a Christian as one who praises Jesus…I refuse to agree with this insane idea that you go against God if you go against some modern day Zionist who are in large part atheist of European background

It is all about superstitious people who believe in hokus-pokus. Messianic prophecy is superstition and believing in Jesus who doesn’t even fulfil the messianic qualifications is hokus-pokus.

 

[GLASNOST]

the more I hear and read about Israel the more confused I get.

Actually, the more you hear and read about Israel the more you realise how ridiculous the subject is. You are getting confused because you are trying to understand something that makes no sense.

 

[GLASNOST]

Being against Jews is different from disagreeing with the Netanyahu administration.

Exactly, and that is what Tucker was trying to say.

 

[GLASNOST]

Again you seem to be changing the subject.

No, he is not.

The issue is not about Netanyahu or who approves of who ..... The title of the OP is whether going against Israel is going against god.

Yes, and that is the distiction Tucker was trying to make ... and that's what Jackson was saying as well.

 

[Foxfyre]

Well my friend

The explanation is being provided. Going against Israel is a broad statement…..one has to dig deeper…IE is the person making the statement against Israeli policies, are they against all Jews , etc.

But it’s also related that yes much of the Israeli government is inclusive of atheists. So are they against God?

And let’s not forget about Buddhists and Hindus what do they think of this question. It’s a fair point when a person invokes God. As there are plenty of belief systems in the world.

It's your thread. Posed as a question. I answered the question. You might not like the answer, but I answered the question.

Now if you wanted to discuss something other than that question, I think you might have not put that question as your thread title.

 

[Foxfyre]

No, he is not.

Yes, and that is the distiction Tucker was trying to make ... and that's what Jackson was saying as well.

Apparently Tucker has called President Trump to apologize for his 'strong' remarks on the issue and Trump, as he typically always does, was quick to accept the peace offering. Tucker has no refuted that the phone call happened. Tucker assured President Trump that his (Tucker's) followers were all with Trump on his Israel/Iran policy.

To you and Andrew_Jackson_FTW this is a rather long winded "letter' to Tucker Carlson from Ron Cantor, president of a Hebrew language digital TV station based in Tel Aviv, on the subject. It is quite informative:

An Open Letter to Tucker Carlson on What the Bible Says about Israel

Day 7 of Israel/Iran WarTucker Carlson recently interviewed Ted Cruz, and by all accounts, it was a train wreck. Tucker was quite aggressive and did not let Cruz answer. It did not appear that Cruz was adequately prepared, misquoting verses and not knowing the references. I thought it would be...

www.roncantor.com

 

[Mac1958]

If they are God's chosen people and he says he will protect them, there is nothing we need to do if you actually believe in the God of the Bible.

Well, that's the question.

There are Christians (devout and serious), and then there are MAGA Christians™ (disingenuous and hyper-political). Right now the latter is in control.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Apparently Tucker has called President Trump to apologize for his 'strong' remarks on the issue and Trump, as he typically always does, was quick to accept the peace offering. Tucker has no refuted that the phone call happened. Tucker assured President Trump that his (Tucker's) followers were all with Trump on his Israel/Iran policy.

To you and Andrew_Jackson_FTW this is a rather long winded "letter' to Tucker Carlson from Ron Cantor, president of a Hebrew language digital TV station based in Tel Aviv, on the subject. It is quite informative:

An Open Letter to Tucker Carlson on What the Bible Says about Israel

Day 7 of Israel/Iran WarTucker Carlson recently interviewed Ted Cruz, and by all accounts, it was a train wreck. Tucker was quite aggressive and did not let Cruz answer. It did not appear that Cruz was adequately prepared, misquoting verses and not knowing the references. I thought it would be...

www.roncantor.com

Fwiw Tucker acknowledged speaking with Trump during his interview with Ted Cruz.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

It's your thread. Posed as a question. I answered the question. You might not like the answer, but I answered the question.

Now if you wanted to discuss something other than that question, I think you might have not put that question as your thread title.

It’s a matter of having a disagreement …no problem with that.

 

[Foxfyre]

Fwiw Tucker acknowledged speaking with Trump during his interview with Ted Cruz.

I'm speaking of after his interview with Ted Cruz

 

[Nostra]

**** them. Not our country.

Just like Ukraine, right?

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House passes $60bn in aid to Ukraine. Let Freedom packages be sent to our Russian military contades with great dispatch, and velocity!!!

Putin will be displeased!

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/20/house-passes-ukraine-israel-taiwan-aid-potential-tiktok-ban-.html

The bills earmark over $60 billion for Ukraine aid, more than $26 billion for Israel and over $8 billion for Taiwan and Indo-Pacific security. A fourth bill includes a measure to force China’s ByteDance to sell social media platform TikTok within nine months — though the president can offer a 90-day extension — or face a...

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[RhodyPatriot]

Neither you nor buttercup has enough biblical knowledge to counter my arguments.

Furthermore, I just cited Genesis 12:3. It's clear what God meant; it's clear he foresaw the 12 tribes and their descendants merging into one nation of peoples.

Is there any connection between the 12 tribes and the Anglosphere?

I've read things in a cursory fashion about there being some sort of thread between Israel and Britain - but I don't know if it's true cuz I don't know shit about the Bible haha

 

[TemplarKormac]

Is there any connection between the 12 tribes and the Anglosphere?

I've read things in a cursory fashion about there being some sort of thread between Israel and Britain - but I don't know if it's true cuz I don't know shit about the Bible haha

Nah. No connection.

They were most likely assimilated by the Assyrians later on.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Nah. No connection.

They were most likely assimilated by the Assyrians later on.

So is it primarily Christianity that vests the Anglo/European "West" in Israel's fortune?

It just gets so confusing.

A lot of times Israel appears like a predominantly white European country - but with a different religion, I really don't freakin' get it.

Probably a product of my shameful agnostic upbringing.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Yay Tucker Brought this up with Ted Cruz. Obviously Cruz is great for a lot of things for the second amendment. I assume for free speech although I don’t know what he thinks about policing perceived “antisemitism” speech…still he is great on the border. He is great for the second amendment.



But man it’s really weird that a small percentage of right wingers keep on bringing this point up “if you go against Israel, you go against God” ….

Of course as a Christian as one who praises Jesus…I refuse to agree with this insane idea that you go against God if you go against some modern day Zionist who are in large part atheist of European background

greetings
Modern-day Zionists became democratic, true Zionists are the developed and under the protection of the Lord's nation of Israel, to go against is anti-Israel, why? because they don't know their Messiah, and the secular world, Judaism is their under captivity as well the secular world

True Christians are Matthew 5: 5

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[RhodyPatriot]

greetings
Modern-day Zionists became democratic, true Zionists are the developed and under the protection of the Lord's nation of Israel, to go against is anti-Israel, why? because they don't know their Messiah, and the secular world, Judaism is their captivity

True Christians are Matthew 5: 5
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Um.

Wha?