Why do some right wingers Say if you go against Israel, you go against God? Israel existed thousands of years ago. It’s not the same as modern Israel


Yes, but the part you don't seem to get is that God is not speaking about race, ethnicity or nationality. As it clearly states in Galatians and many other scriptures, He is talking about descendants in the spiritual sense, which means all who are in Christ.

I'll post this again for you and underline the pertinent part:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:28-29​
 
It refers to the descendants of Abraham. Meaning the current Jewish state. The Jewish diaspora, the Jews living in Israel.

I didn't enforce a thing. The very citation disputes your and Tucker's reasoning.

You have no idea what you're talking about. God protected all people through Abraham.
 
Yes, but the part you don't seem to get is that God is not speaking about race, ethnicity or nationality. As it clearly states in Galatians and many other scriptures, He is talking about descendants in the spiritual sense, which means all who are in Christ.
Your inability to understand basic genealogy only makes your premise more untenable.

Two words in Genesis 13:14-16.

"descendants forever"

I see quite clearly, but you are the type Jesus spoke of in Matthew 13:13.

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Sorry. Read Genesis 13:14-16 again. I just posted it. Egads.

You just literally proved my point. "So that if a man could number the dust of the earth", "for all the land that you see" -- it means everywhere on earth, not just Israel. There was no Israel. There wasn't a distinction between Jews and non-Jews.
 
I think you go against God if you go after anybody out of prejudice or irrational hatred.

I do believe the forces of evil in universe whether we call that Satan or whatever has targeted God's chosen people for all of its recorded history. I also believe God has saved at least a remnant of those people to carry on as indicated in Biblical manuscripts and as observed in more modern history.

The Jewish people have been overcome and and dispersed by various conquerers as recorded in Biblical manuscripts. It is believed the later New Testament manuscripts were written after the Romans drove most of the Jews from Jerusalem and Israel in 70 A.D. and destroyed the temple there. That accounts for Jewish populations throughout Europe or, more specifically, what was once the Roman Empire.

In their much more recent history, most were driven from Russia and what is now the Ukraine in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century and most from Germany in the mid 20th Century.

Yes the remnants from those histories are of European descent but that makes them no less the Jews who are God's chosen people.

These are amazing people. They constitute 1/5th of 1% of the world's population but their contribution to the advancement of civilization and the greater good. They hold more than 1/5th of all Nobel prizes awarded and are credited with many innovations, inventions, creations far beyond what their tiny numbers would expect.

Yes Christianity I believe is of God too. The JudeoChristian history has influenced the entire world far more than any other events/forces/concepts put together.

But I personally believe it goes against God to scorn the Jews.
Good points

Well no one itt is scorning Jews. Through history there have been anti Jews…. Most notably white German Christians in ww2 who took part in the holocaust…and who were opposed by Christians, Jews, atheists, Muslims and Hindus from the Allied forces.

Personally I have always praised the Soviet and American Jewish soldiers who fought Nazism in ww2.

Well even inside Israel there is a great vigorous debate among Zionists including criticism of their government.

As for this “Gods Chosen” the Catholic Church and the Gospels speak of good neighbors from all different backgrounds. As do other religions.

We can see there is good and bad in all groups of people.
 
God protected, protects, and is still protecting all the people, Abraham's descendants, and those who bless them.

Right, not just Israel, though. And not just Jews. At least not in that part of the Bible.
 
I do believe there are many promises that apply only to the Jews. Vast majority being in the OT
 
You just literally proved my point. "So that if a man could number the dust of the earth", "for all the land that you see" -- it means everywhere on earth, not just Israel. There was no Israel. There wasn't a distinction between Jews and non-Jews.
Uh... didn't I just say that?

Are you even reading my posts?
 
Your inability to understand how basic genealogy only makes your premise that more untenable.

Two words in Genesis 13:14-16.

"descendants forever"

I see quite clearly, but you clearly are the type Jesus spoke of in Matthew 13:13.

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Yes, descendants forever because all who are the true (spiritual) seed of Abraham have eternal life and will ALWAYS belong to God.

If you think God cares about race or ethnicity then you have a lot to learn about God, because that is absolutely NOT what God cares about.

You are living in the Old Covenant and literally dismissing the NEW Covenant.
 
Uh... didn't I just say that?

Are you even reading my posts?

I am, but this discussion is in the context of a debate about whether 'going against Israel' is 'going against God' and broader notions about whether Israel are God's 'chosen.'

Being Muslims and members of Abrahamic monotheistic faith, whatever promises and rewards God made to Jews, he made to Muslims and Christians as well. I think God made them to all people, regardless of faith, but I'm not going to have that debate here beyond what I've already posted.
 
Yes, descendants forever because all who are the true (spiritual) seed of Abraham have eternal life and will ALWAYS belong to God.
If you took that to mean just the "true spiritual seed of Abraham," then you just disqualified all of Christendom.

That's a bold but ill-advised stance to take.

In the Book of Matthew, Jesus charged his followers to "go forth and preach to all nations." This is the Great Commission.

Clearly, he didn't mean just the "true spiritual seed of Abraham." He implied that anyone can truly belong to God.

I won't take offense at you warping the gospel because I don't think you understand it well enough. Good night.
 
Being Muslims and members of Abrahamic monotheistic faith, whatever promises and rewards God made to Jews, he made to Muslims and Christians as well.
Whoa whoa whoa.

Is that what you think, truly?

What Biblical basis do you have for that?
 
Yep, when people press funny, the argument is over. They win! Wooohooo!

If only they saw how juvenile that made them look.
 
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If you took that to mean just the "true spiritual seed of Abraham," then you just disqualified all of Christendom.

That's a bold but ill-advised stance to take.

In the Book of Matthew, Jesus charged his followers to "go forth and preach to all nations." This is the Great Commission.

Clearly, he didn't mean just the "true spiritual seed of Abraham." He implied that anyone can truly belong to God.

I won't take offense at you warping the gospel because I don't think you understand it well enough. Good night.

Yes, of course we're supposed to go forth and preach to all the nations. Who said otherwise? Of course anyone can belong to God! Salvation is open to ANYONE, from ANY nation. So I have no idea why you even brought that up. We were talking about who the "seed of Abraham" is, and as was already pointed out, that is ALL who are in Christ! No matter where they're from in the world!
 
It says it in the book of Genesis.

Chapter 12, verse 3:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

I mean, go read the Bible, maybe?

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Nonsense.
First of all, the Bible was written by Byzantine Romans, around 300 AD, and is totally fake.
Second is that the Hebrew clearly were NOT the "Chosen People" because they were evil and massacred all the Canaanite women and children captured when they invaded Jericho. They also were constantly beaten by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Seleucids, and Romans, so can't be god's "Chosen People".
Third is that most Israelis are Turkics from Poland and Russia, like Netanyahu, and have no Mideast heritage at all, in any way.
 
Yes, of course we're supposed to go forth and preach to all the nations. Who said otherwise? Of course anyone can belong to God! Salvation is open to ANYONE, from ANY nation. So I have no idea why you even brought that up. We were talking about who the "seed of Abraham" is, and as was already pointed out, that is ALL who are in Christ! No matter where they're from in the world!
You know, this doesn't even begin to address your earlier claim that Genesis 12:3 does not extend to the current population of Earth.

You said, and I quote, "all who are the true (spiritual) seed of Abraham have eternal life and will ALWAYS belong to God."

And by that token, that means us, right? Not just the physical descendants of Abraham, but everyone, physical or spiritual.
 
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