Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

[hobelim]

That’s pretty funny coming from a guy who constantly spouts interpretations of New and Old Testament accounts written by men.

Apparently when you read and interpret accounts written by men it proves something, but when I provide statements from historians who reported history it proves nothing.

Everything that Jesus made known he had drawn from the Law and the prophets. The Old Testament. What you profess to believe does not correspond to anything written in the OT, beliefs upon which you base your false claim to moral authority, even the idolatrous worship of a trinity and a Jewish man for which there is no excuse. Anything written by Gentiles ignorant of Jewish thought belief expressions and thousands of years of history using figurative language long after the fact proves absolutely nothing except that you are not too swift.

A trinity diddled a virgin to become a an edible sacrificail mangod for believers who celebrate his crucifixion and eat him under the appearance of a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands can sin with impunity for life and not die The Death for defying the Law of God? A few dingbats believed he was God on earth so it must be true?

Yeah right. Try and peddle your maudlin bullshit somewhere else. You will only get your ass handed to you here.

 

[ding]

Everything that Jesus made known he had drawn from the Law and the prophets. The Old Testament. What you profess to believe does not correspond to anything written in the OT, beliefs upon which you base your false claim to moral authority, even the idolatrous worship of a trinity and a Jewish man for which there is no excuse. Anything written by Gentiles, ignorant of Jewish thought belief expressions and thousands of years of history using figurative language long after the fact, proves absolutely nothing except that you are not too swift.

A trinity diddled a virgin to become a an edible sacrificail mangod for believers who celebrate his crucifixion and eat him under the appearance of a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands can sin with impunity for life and not die The Death for defying the Law of God? A few dingbats believed he was God on earth so it must be true?

Yeah right. Try and peddle your maudlin bullshit somewhere else. You will only get your ass handed to you here.

Deleting and reposting the same thing doesn’t change the fact that you have no evidence for your beliefs. I do.

 

[ding]

What you call evidence is what was written by men and proves nothing

That’s pretty funny coming from a guy who constantly spouts interpretations of New and Old Testament accounts written by men.

Apparently when you read and interpret accounts written by men it proves something, but when I provide statements from historians who reported history it proves nothing.

News flash. Christians worship Jesus as God. It began after Jesus was resurrected which they witnessed along with many other miracles.

 

[hobelim]

That’s pretty funny coming from a guy who constantly spouts interpretations of New and Old Testament accounts written by men.

Everything that Jesus made known he had drawn from the Law and the prophets. The Old Testament. What you profess to believe does not correspond to anything written in the OT, beliefs upon which you base your false claim to moral authority, even the idolatrous worship of a trinity and a Jewish man for which there is no excuse. Anything written by Gentiles ignorant of Jewish thought belief expressions and thousands of years of history using figurative language long after the fact proves absolutely nothing except that you are not too swift.

 

[ding]

Everything that Jesus made known he had drawn from the Law and the prophets. The Old Testament. What you profess to believe does not correspond to anything written in the OT, beliefs upon which you base your false claim to moral authority, even the idolatrous worship of a trinity and a Jewish man for which there is no excuse. Anything written by Gentiles ignorant of Jewish thought belief expressions and thousands of years of history using figurative language long after the fact proves absolutely nothing except that you are not too swift.

Incorrect and irrelevant. History recorded the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God. They didn’t do that because he said cool things. They did that because he performed miracles and rose from the dead.

 

[hobelim]

News flash. Christians worship Jesus as God.

Really? Who knew? I never noticed any strange smiling folks dressed up like numbskulls, god botherers, jumping and yelling Jesus is God who died for "US" (whoever US is) trying to convince people that they are worthless pieces of sinning shit to get them down on their knees to worship their mangod, the Antichrist, a false counterfeit Jesus with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" that Holy writ, scripture, is to be understood and applied literally.

 

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Really? Who knew? I never noticed any strange smiling folks dressed up like numbskulls, god botherers, jumping singing about Jesus is God who died for "US" (whoever US is) trying to convince people that they are worthless pieces of sinning shit to get them down on their knees to worship their mangod, the Antichrist, a false counterfeit Jesus with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" that Holy writ, scripture, is to be understood and applied literally.

The first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God after his resurrection. When do you believe Christians began worshiping Jesus as God and why?

 

[hobelim]

The first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God after his resurrection. When do you believe Christians began worshiping Jesus as God and why?

Jesus said, "The Son of man must be "lifted up" like Moses lifted up the serpent" (during the time of testing in the wilderness). The serpent became the object of idolatry until Hezekiah came, the subject of the young maiden with child, who "kept all the commandments" and did "what was right in Gods eyes", and destroyed the bronze serpent that God told Moses to make for the people to turn to for healing. Heres the thing. If it was right for Hezekaih to destroy the bronze serpent that Moses made then it was never right to turn to it for healing. In the same way it was never right for anyone to worship Jesus as God, much less eat him in a matzo made by human hands, that has no life, is not the Body of Christ, the body of his teaching, much less God, for spiritual life. Derp.

Why did some early Christians worship Jesus as God? The same reason the people turned to a bronze statue for healing. THEY FAILED THE TEST. The test Jesus clearly warned his disciples to pray to be spared, but weren't.

Now you know.

 

[hadit]

Jesus said, "The Son of man must be "lifted up" like Moses lifted up the serpent" (during the time of testing in the wilderness). The serpent became the object of idolatry until Hezekiah came, the subject of the young maiden with child who "kept all the commandments" and did "what was right in Gods eyes", and destroyed the bronze statue that God told Moses to make for the people to turn to for healing. Heres the thing. If it was right for Hezekaih to destroy the bronze serpent that Moses made then it was never right to turn to it for healing. In the same way it was never right for anyone to worship Jesus as God, much less eat him in a matzo made by human hands for life.

Why did some early Christians worship Jesus as God? The same reason the people turned to a bronze statue for healing. THEY FAILED THE TEST. The test Jesus clearly warned his disciples to pray to be spared, but weren't.

Now you know.

And, of course, those who turned to the bronze serpent were healed, whereas those who refused died. So they didn't fail the test so much. Likewise, those who turn to Jesus are healed and given everlasting life. Jesus is God in the flesh, NOT a statue, so you fail the test.

 

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Jesus said, "The Son of man must be "lifted up" like Moses lifted up the serpent" (during the time of testing in the wilderness). The serpent became the object of idolatry until Hezekiah came, the subject of the young maiden with child who "kept all the commandments" and did "what was right in Gods eyes", and destroyed the bronze statue that God told Moses to make for the people to turn to for healing. Heres the thing. If it was right for Hezekaih to destroy the bronze serpent that Moses made then it was never right to turn to it for healing. In the same way it was never right for anyone to worship Jesus as God, much less eat him in a matzo made by human hands, has no life, is not the Body of Christ, the body of his teaching, much less God, for spiritual life. Derp.

Why did some early Christians worship Jesus as God? The same reason the people turned to a bronze statue for healing. THEY FAILED THE TEST. The test Jesus clearly warned his disciples to pray to be spared, but weren't.

Now you know.

When did the first Christians begin worshiping Jesus as God and why?

 

[hobelim]

And, of course, those who turned to the bronze serpent were healed, whereas those who refused died. So they didn't fail the test so much.

Yes they failed the test. By turning to a statue for healing they defied the Law of God which put them under a curse, the death, and they became as unaware of their plight as those who failed the test and turned Jesus into the object ofIdolatry and have become oblivious to the state of condemnation that they are under. Some healing.

I'm sure it's an exhilarating experience defying the Law of God and dying the death, its just not a very good one.

 

[ding]

Yes they failed the test. By turning to a statue for healing they defied the Law of God which put them under a curse, the death, and they became as oblivious to their plight as those who failed the test and turned Jesus into the object ofIdolatry and have become oblivious to the state of condemnation that they are under.

I'm sure it must be an exhilarating experience defying the law of God, its juts not a very good one.

Says the guy who can’t say when the first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God and why.

 

[hobelim]

Says the guy who can’t say when the first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God

Since the answer I already gave went over your addled head let me make it very simple for you. Some did, soon after the resurrection, because Jesus appeared to them in dreams. Seeing and hearing from Jesus in dreams, the medium through which God communicates, would have convinced them that Jesus survived his physical crucifixion and death and was alive and living in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous.

worshiping Jesus as God and why.

THEY FAILED THE TEST

So ding, the faithful believer in the ABSURD, all you have to do is ask yourself, "What would Hezekiah do?"

AND DO IT!

 

[ding]

Since the answer I already gave went over your addled head let me make it very simple for you. Some did, soon after the resurrection, because Jesus appeared to them in dreams. Seeing and hearing from Jesus in dreams, the medium through which God communicates, would have convinced them that Jesus survived his physical crucifixion and death and was alive and living in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous.


THEY FAILED THE TEST

So ding, the faithful believer in the ABSURD, all you have to do is ask yourself, "What would Hezekiah do?"

AND DO IT!

No mention or evidence of dreams and no one is worshipping anyone because of dreams. The evidence shows they witnessed the miracles and the resurrected Christ and that’s what convinced them Jesus is God.

 

[hobelim]

No mention or evidence of dreams and no one is worshipping anyone because of dreams.

The only realm where an eyewitness saw Jesus popping in and out of locked rooms is possible is in a dream.

The same with Ezekiel flying from Babylon to the temple in Jerusalem by an angel holding a lock of his hair only to dig through 14 feet of a solid stone foundation WITH HIS BARE HANDS to see the corruption going on inside.

Maybe they were wrong to not make it clear and maybe it was deliberate that the authors didn't say it was a dream because they assumed the intelligent reader would already know this. Such things don't happen in reality.

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

 

[hadit]

Yes they failed the test. By turning to a statue for healing they defied the Law of God which put them under a curse, the death, and they became as unaware of their plight as those who failed the test and turned Jesus into the object ofIdolatry and have become oblivious to the state of condemnation that they are under. Some healing.

I'm sure it's an exhilarating experience defying the Law of God and dying the death, its just not a very good one.

Interesting that you equate living because they obeyed God with dying because they disobeyed God. It is to chortle politely because you are literally saying if they had just disobeyed God and died, they...something or other.

This is what happens when you throw aside the plain meaning of the Scriptures for your own interpretation that makes you feel better.

 

[hadit]

The only realm where an eyewitness saw Jesus popping in and out of locked rooms is possible is in a dream.

Naturally, you have to explain away Jesus' miraculous actions in His resurrected body because you can't admit He is divine. How absurd to claim that the One who created the laws of physics is bound by them.

The same with Ezekiel flying from Babylon to the temple in Jerusalem by an angel holding a lock of his hair only to dig through 14 feet of solid stone to see the corruption going on inside.

Unless you can point to that in Scripture, we'll ignore it.

Maybe they're wrong, and maybe it was deliberate by the authors didn't say it was a dream because they assumed the intelligent reader would already know this. Such things do not happen in reality.

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

You are desperately trying to explain away Jesus' miraculous actions because to admit they are actually recorded is to contradict your careful denial of anything divine about Him.

 

[hobelim]

Interesting that you equate living because they obeyed God with dying because they disobeyed God

How is that any different than people claiming to be saved by worshiping a trinity, doing the exact thing that God promises results in death? Moses making the bronze statue OF A SERPENT was just a test which was failed.

The statue probably looked like the pharaoh who wore a serpent on his head or any number of toothy evangelical murderers who like a plague of poisonous talking serpents have been biting people who have died by the millions.

Try to remember God who just freed the people from Egyptian slavery saw them complaining about the hardships of freedom. UGH. Then God sent a plague of serpents, which amount to the plague of talking serpents who worship Jesus as God, and once bitten they died as dead as you are who can't see the absurdity of a trinity becoming a sacrificial Jewish man so that "believers" can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life imaging they are performing a religious duty by teaching people to set aside the Law of God to worship the Antichrist.

WHICH AMOUNTS TO MURDER IN THE SAME WAY THAT SATAN WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING

They have confused faith with obstinate stupidity and being saved with being under the condemnation of God.

 

[hadit]

How is that any different than people claiming to be saved by worshiping a trinity, doing the exact thing that God promises results in death? Moses making the bronze statue OF A SERPENT was just a test which was failed.

The statue probably looked like the pharaoh who wore a serpent on his head or any number of toothy evangelical murderers who like a plague of poisonous talking serpents have been biting people who have died by the millions.

Try to remember God who just freed the people from Egyptian slavery saw them complaining about the hardships of freedom. UGH. Then God sent a plague of serpents, which amount to the plague of talking serpents who worship Jesus as God, and once bitten they died as dead as you are who can't see the absurdity of a trinity becoming a sacrificial Jewish man so that "believers" can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life imaging they are performing a religious duty by teaching people to set aside the Law of God to worship the Antichrist.

WHICH AMOUNTS TO MURDER IN THE SAME WAY THAT SATAN WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING

They have confused faith with obstinate stupidity and being saved with being under the condemnation of God.

And that is the kind of convoluted "logic" you display every time you try to insist the Word doesn't say what it says. You're desperate to avoid ascribing any kind of deity to the Christ, even though both Old and New Testaments point to Him being so. In order to maintain that fiction while claiming to be a student of the Word, you have to invent ever grander illusions to pervert the plain meaning. Here you have twisted it so badly that you claim it says the exact opposite of what it says, that by obeying God's instruction they were disobeying God.

 

[gtopa1]

another question

have you ever been to a Mass for Corpus Christi day?

i am asking because nobody said so in the thread about it.

In my Primary school days definitely. After mass we'd go on a parade/march with the other Catholic schools in our city. I don't know when they stopped doing it though. This is a picture of the Brisbane march.

Greg