Why do so many leftists believe in the Executive Order?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Biden is not a King.

No one said he was – including President Biden.

You’ve contrived a ridiculous strawman fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What grant of authority did Congress give Trump to ban bump stocks?

The ban was enacted pursuant to existing Federal firearm regulations:

‘The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.’

Bump Stocks | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

By twice rejecting challenges to the final rule, the Supreme Court held that the ATF has the authority to regulate bump stocks as authorized by Congress when it passed the NFA and GCA.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The point is that certain “accessories” convert a perfectly legal semi auto into an illegal fully automatic machine gun.

But it does not do that, that is the point. They made that up so they could ban it. And now they have opened the door for the Dems to follow suit.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

(And it wasn’t actually done via an Executive Order. It was done by the ATF via normal rule making.)

Then why did the SCOTUS rule on the Executive Order?

 

[Flopper]

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Every Executive Order is not the same you nitwit ...

As I mentioned ... There's a big difference in President Washington issuing an Executive Order recognizing Thanksgiving as a Holiday ...
And President Lincoln issuing an Executive Order suspending Habeas Corpus in Maryland.

Stop making excuses for Authoritarian Fascists and their policies.

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

Biden hasn't actually done anything yet.

Nor will he because there’s nothing he can do.

Unlike bump stocks, there’s no existing Federal law that would authorize the ‘banning’ of firearms.

And yes, conservatives continue to lie about Democratic presidents ‘banning’ guns – this thread is yet another example.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

the 2nd A says otherwise,,

The Supreme Court says what the Second Amendment says.

 

[progressive hunter]

The Supreme Court says what the Second Amendment says.

your premise is a lie,,
their job is to determine if a law abides the constitution,,

 

[BackAgain]

But it does not do that, that is the point. They made that up so they could ban it. And now they have opened the door for the Dems to follow suit.

Yeah. It does do that in effect and for all practical purposes. That’s how a bump stock works. If you don’t know what the heck you’re babbling about, you really should post less.

 

[Unkotare]

9066 was one of their favorites.

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[BackAgain]

Then why did the SCOTUS rule on the Executive Order?

I believe they declined to rule on the ATF REGULATION by denying cert.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The discussion is about guns and things associated with them.

Actually, the discussion is about another lie from the right that President Biden is going to ‘ban’ guns – in this case the lie that the ‘ban’ will be via EO.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yeah. It does do that in effect and for all practical purposes. That’s how a bump stock works. If you don’t know what the heck you’re babbling about, you really should post less.

Only to someone who has never actually fired a fully automatic weapon.

 

[Flopper]

Executive orders have become essential today. Even when one party controls government, actions of congress can be very slow and if the president's party does not control congress, practically anything proposed action by the president will be opposed in congress and can take weeks to never to get approval.

An executive order directs a federal official or administrative agency to engage in a course of action or refrain from a course of action. Legally that action can not violate federal law or the constitution. The Supreme Court can override an executive order based of violation of the constitution, federal law, or presidential overreach. Congress also has the authority to stop an executive order.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

(And it wasn’t actually done via an Executive Order. It was done by the ATF via normal rule making.)

Wrong.

“Trump signed a memorandum instructing the attorney general to regulate the use of bump stocks, effectively banning the use of the devices that can allow rifles to mimic automatic weapons.”

Trump takes executive action to ban bump stocks that increase weapons' firepower

President Trump signed an order to regulate the use of bump stocks, effectively banning the devices that allow rifles to mimic automatic weapons.

www.usatoday.com

 

[BackAgain]

Only to someone who has never actually fired a fully automatic weapon.

Wrong. The point is essentially the same. You are simply denying reality. The bump stock basically allows the shooter to pull the trigger once. The action of the recoil allows the gun itself to repeatedly then push the trigger finger back again and again.

To interpret that automatic action as effectively making the semi auto a full auto is bviously a reasonable interpretation. One doesn’t have to agree with it to recognize that much.

 

[BackAgain]

Wrong.

“Trump signed a memorandum instructing the attorney general to regulate the use of bump stocks, effectively banning the use of the devices that can allow rifles to mimic automatic weapons.”

Trump takes executive action to ban bump stocks that increase weapons' firepower

President Trump signed an order to regulate the use of bump stocks, effectively banning the devices that allow rifles to mimic automatic weapons.

www.usatoday.com

You are wrong. I am right. As usual.

Directing a subordinate departments to make a rule or regulation is not the same as pretending to make a law via an executive order. Presidents already have the authority to tell subordinates what to do.

 

[Flopper]

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're straying from the point....A President can issue an executive order, however that order carries weight of law only with those working for the Executive branch of Government. NOT law for the country...Biden is not a King.

Both executive orders and proclamations have the force of law, much like regulations issued by federal agencies. However, in court, the government would have show the legal basis for the executive order or regulation. If the federal government can not show the order or regulation is covered by law or the constitution, the court will strike it down.

 

[jbander]

This is a lie.

President Biden is not going to ‘ban guns’ with an EO.

These people have nothing but a long list of bullshit lies that only the most stupid among us would believe. They are like a cancer on this great country , they are all pond scum with no values or patriotism , they are the enemy and have to be disposed of.

 

[Moonglow]

They aren’t for a representative republic.

Should have told Washington when he started it