Why do Republicans act like Israel is our 51st state?

[Viktor]

First of all, the CIA did not exist when Pearl Harbor occurred. And the FBI does not do overseas intelligence operations.

. . . and that has since, always been a long running debate among many.

Did FDR know something was about to happen in late 1941?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/08/did_fdr_bait_the_japanese_to_attack_pearl_harbor_to_arouse_usa_isolationists_to_enter_world_war_ii.html I was never convinced that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen on purpose. Back then the US had little intelligence abilities. Most felt war was...

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And even though they did not stop 9/11, and it WAS a colossal intelligence failure, and they had some hints and clues that something was about to go down, don't you find it at all fishy, that no one lost their job from such a colossal failure?


Do you think anyone in Israel will lose their job from such a colossal security failure? If not, what do you think that will say to those who are forced to swallow such a bullshit narrative?

False Flags: The Secret History of Al Qaeda; Can you admit when you have been conned?

The week-end is a nice time to watch a documentary, and maybe take a new look on an old paradigm. :eusa_think: Episode 407 - False Flags: The Secret History of Al Qaeda — Part 1 (video) Corbett • 09/13/2021...

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The CIA had a predecessor called the OSS, idiot.
You are lying, The FBI did foreign intell during ww II STOP LYING

 

[Viktor]

First of all, the CIA did not exist when Pearl Harbor occurred. And the FBI does not do overseas intelligence operations.

. . . and that has since, always been a long running debate among many.

Did FDR know something was about to happen in late 1941?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/08/did_fdr_bait_the_japanese_to_attack_pearl_harbor_to_arouse_usa_isolationists_to_enter_world_war_ii.html I was never convinced that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen on purpose. Back then the US had little intelligence abilities. Most felt war was...

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And even though they did not stop 9/11, and it WAS a colossal intelligence failure, and they had some hints and clues that something was about to go down, don't you find it at all fishy, that no one lost their job from such a colossal failure?


Do you think anyone in Israel will lose their job from such a colossal security failure? If not, what do you think that will say to those who are forced to swallow such a bullshit narrative?

False Flags: The Secret History of Al Qaeda; Can you admit when you have been conned?

The week-end is a nice time to watch a documentary, and maybe take a new look on an old paradigm. :eusa_think: Episode 407 - False Flags: The Secret History of Al Qaeda — Part 1 (video) Corbett • 09/13/2021...

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BABBLING JACKASS

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That we must defend Israel no matter the cost.
The same as we would our current 50 states.
I looked and defending Israel isn't in the Constitution.
So why not just annex Israel and make it official? ..

... because Saudi Arabia is like hell to us.

 

[Zincwarrior]

There are several reasons why many American politicians, particularly Republicans, have traditionally shown strong support for Israel. It's important to note that support for Israel is not limited to Republicans, as there are Democrats who share the same stance.

1. Historical alliances: The United States and Israel have had a longstanding friendship and strategic alliance since Israel's establishment in 1948. During the Cold War, Israel was seen as a reliable ally in the Middle East, while American support helped ensure Israel's security.

2. Shared values: The United States and Israel share core democratic values, adherence to the rule of law, and a common commitment to human rights. Many American politicians see Israel as a bastion of democracy in a volatile region, and as a natural partner due to shared values and cultural ties.

3. Religious considerations: Some politicians, particularly Republicans, have religious motivations for supporting Israel. This aligns with some Christian Evangelical beliefs, which emphasize the significance of Israel in biblical prophecy. These politicians see support for Israel as fulfilling religious obligations.

4. Strategic interests: The Middle East is a complex and volatile region, and American politicians often view Israel as a vital ally due to its proximity to many geopolitical hotspots. Israel provides the United States with valuable intelligence, security cooperation, and acts as a stabilizing force in a fraught region.

5. Jewish-American constituency: The Jewish-American community often supports the Democratic party, but there are also influential Jewish donors and organizations that align with the Republican party. Supporting Israel can be seen as both a principled stance and a way to appeal to Jewish-American voters and donors.

The support for Israel can vary among individual politicians and within political parties. While Republicans have traditionally shown strong support for Israel, Democrats also maintain a pro-Israel stance, albeit with different approaches and policy preferences at times. Public opinion and political dynamics can also shape the level of support for Israel from both parties.

I would change that to 1967ish. We initially had weapons embargoes on Israel.

 

[Sunni Man]

Personally, I'm of the opinion the Netanyahu lead Israeli government knew the Hamas attack was going to happen. But completely ignored the intel because they wanted it to happen.
In order to have an excuse to bomb Gaza into rubble and eliminate the Palestinian people living there..

 

[Sunni Man]

... because Saudi Arabia is like hell to us.

???

 

[Flash]

Israel is just another goddamn welfare queen of the US.

They are a rich country but yet we give them money, weapons and anything their little hearts desire.

You would think that since we are $33 trillion in debt we wouldn't being giving welfare to any foreign country, no less Middle East shits.

 

[Viktor]

Israel is just another goddamn welfare queen of the US.

They are a rich country but yet we give them money, weapons and anything their little hearts desire.

You would think that since we are $33 trillion in debt we wouldn't being giving welfare to any foreign country, no less Middle East shits.

They are an ally just as Egypt and Ukraine are. Look at the list of Foreign Aid

 

[buttercup]

Personally, I'm of the opinion the Netanyahu lead Israeli government knew the Hamas attack was going to happen. But completely ignored the intel because they wanted it to happen.
In order to have an excuse to bomb Gaza into rubble and eliminate the Palestinian people living there..

It definitely has FF written all over it. This is just a partial list of the signs, it keeps growing as time goes on.

 

[Flash]

They are an ally just as Egypt and Ukraine are. Look at the list of Foreign Aid

They are not an "ally". The relationship is we give them money and weapons and they like it.

Why give anybody welfare when we are $33 trillion in debt?

 

[sparky]

It definitely has FF written all over it. This is just a partial list of the signs, it keeps growing as time goes on.

It's all so obvious......~S~

 

[sparky]

While I do agree, we have to keep perspective.

The folks in the other religions do the same. In some ways, to the extreme. Islamic fundamentalists, will die for their faith in a way that Jewish and Christian folks, no longer do. Well, I think this mostly is a result of access to more technology and material resources.

But make no mistake, all nations, religions and groups, will defend to the death their way of life, becaue they all believe they are the best, and the most righteous.
In the very end, Israel would nuke America and vice versa, if the very survival was the end game. We know this from the Liberty incident.

This is why the problem is so intractable.

IN fact, nearly all groups of people do this.
. . . but there are a lot of folks here that like to lie to themselves and others about this reality.

Folks don't really care about "god," they really don't. They just use the notion as an excuse, to forward the interests of their nation or population group. They always have since ancient days.

It is why there are so many different sects of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Different leaders interpreting the religion for their own political out-groups in their crusade against the various powerful In-groups.

. . . and of course, then these various religions bump up against each other.

The USA & its people are not different or immune from these basic human motivations.

I must concede to the very perspective i've often foisted here Mr B

~S~

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I must concede to the very perspective i've often foisted here Mr B

~S~

Mr. Beale is so very close to the fact of it

 

[sparky]

Mr. Beale is so very close to the fact of it

rather inescapable at that John.....~S~

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I keep hearing the reason why we must totally support Israel.
Is because they are a strategic ally and provide invaluable regional intel.
But it seems like Mossad was taking a nap break and missed 9/11
Heck, they didn't even see Oct.7 coming which was in their own backyard. ..

Even Jordan Can Be a Conduit for PLO's Jihadis

The weapons came through the Sinai, which unfortunately is Egyptian territory. As in Pakistan, there are many global jihadists in Egypt. So it is the Egyptian intelligence agencies that didn't root them out. Mossad couldn't go in there.

Really asleep were the Israeli civilians. They should have all been armed, with automatic weapons in every house anywhere near Gaza.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Israel is just another goddamn welfare queen of the US.

They are a rich country but yet we give them money, weapons and anything their little hearts desire.

You would think that since we are $33 trillion in debt we wouldn't being giving welfare to any foreign country, no less Middle East shits.

Israel Is Our Shield

Israel gets hit with the bullets and bombs that are ultimately targeted at all infidels. For a hundred years, the Jewish Homeland has been a decoy for the Twentieth Century jihad. The only reason we aren't speaking Arabic by now is that some people wanted to speak Hebrew.

 

[Flash]

Israel Is Our Shield

Israel gets hit with the bullets and bombs that are ultimately targeted at all infidels. For a hundred years, the Jewish Homeland has been a decoy for the Twentieth Century jihad. The only reason we aren't speaking Arabic by now is that some people wanted to speak Hebrew.

You are confused about that.

Israel is a welfare state of the US and any relationship we have with them is to benefit them. Nothing to benefit the US. Just more debt and having everybody else in the Middle East hating us.

Kinda like the The Alliance of Christian and Jews. You never hear ads asking Jews to give to Christians. You only see ads asking Christians to give to Jews.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

In order to have an excuse to bomb Gaza into rubble and eliminate the Palestinian people living there

In the end the PALESTINIANS went thru villages and murdered 1400 innocent people. And you want to somehow blame "th Jews for the Palestinians actions.

 

[Crepitus]

That we must defend Israel no matter the cost.
The same as we would our current 50 states.
I looked and defending Israel isn't in the Constitution.
So why not just annex Israel and make it official? ..

Religious indoctrination.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

But make no mistake, all nations, religions and groups, will defend to the death their way of life,

Operative word: DEFEND

Islam is ALWAYS an AGGRESSOR.

Others simply DEFEND