Zone1 Why do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Baptize for the Dead?

[Cougarbear]

Telling the truth is not trashing unless it is truth itself that angers you. It is, isn’t it. The fact that you use “Muslim” (and single it out specifically) as an insult proves that you cannot justify the Cult of Mormonism and also that you harbour contemptuous racism. All in all, you demonstrate evidence to the fact that Mormonism really is a Cult …… plus, because you have turned your back on the Messiah and the Covenant with God it further proves that Mormonism is Satanic.

There you go proving my point…Some never learn.

 

[GLASNOST]

You say you believe in God? What God?

You see. You believe there is more than one God to choose from.

Why do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Baptize for the Dead?.

Because Mormons think they can talk with dead people.

 

[Meriweather]

Why would we perform proxy baptism if we didn't care if our ancestors accepted or rejected it? When you preach the gospel to others who are not Christian, do you not care whether or not they accept or reject it? I suspect that you do care but you know that you can't force it down their throat. Not being able to force a person to accept does not equate to not caring whether they receive it or not. God cares and so he has instituted the practice. But does God force anyone to accept it? NO! God wants those who hear his gospel to accept it of their own free will and choice. It is the same for all who preach the gospel and for we who perform baptism for the dead. We hope in our hearts that they will accept it of their own free will but also respect that God has given them their own free will and that it is important that they, in and of themselves, accept it. We realize that if they do not accept the gospel which includes baptism, then they cannot enter the kingdom of God. So we hope that they will but we must respect God and the free will that he has given mankind to choose to do what is right in and of themselves. Only in this way does mankind truly become good beings in and of ourselves by choosing in and of themselves to follow His gospel and be baptized. Your argument has no weight. You could argue with Jesus that his atonement is not sacred and holy since all of mankind can trash it and not accept it. Free will is a critical part of the plan of salvation. Mankind must learn to choose to accept good over evil of his own free will and choice.

You again mischaracterize "care" as a reason to do proxy baptisms or not. Jesus also didn't care whether you or anyone accepts his atonement of their sins. This care is simple. He performed the ordinance of atonement for all who would accept His atonement through faith in him. This includes all those who never knew of him or even today know or accept him and his atonement. Because he knew that eventually everyone who ever lives on the earth would have the opportunity to be taught His Gospel (1Peter chapters 3 and 4) that he would leave it up to each individual whether living or dead to decide whether or not to accept His gift. Same with baptism for the dead. Jesus didn't institute it with the idea consent is needed to perform the ordinance. The consent would manifest itself when the spirit or person is given the opportunity to accept it. So, LDS care very much that everyone have that opportunity for consent to accept or reject our works on their behalf. Whether they accept it or not is up to them. The work has been done. It's you that refuses the ordinances of baptism for them to have that choice.

Neither of you faced the issue I brought up--LDS caring so little about their own proxy "baptism" they don't care if it lands on pearls or swine. It makes no difference to LDS when proxy "baptisms" are treated with contempt. The issue is I, knowing about LDS and its baptisms, have enough respect for what you people should consider holy, to tell you I will reject such actions. You, like my LDS friend, knowing I reject it, respond, Too bad. It's going to happen anyway.

onefour1, What did Jesus tell his disciples to do when they weren't accepted? He said to shake the dust from their sandals and move on. He did not say, "Preach on!" Did Jesus run after those who, after hearing him say, Eat my body, drink my blood? No. He simply turned to his apostles and said, "Will you go, too?"

LDS is absolutely vicious in its insistence it will continue to proxy "baptize" those who want nothing to do with it.

 

[GLASNOST]

LDS is absolutely vicious in its insistence it will continue to proxy "baptize" those who want nothing to do with it.

In the end it doesn't matter one bit. The dead are already dead and have turned to dust so they don't give a shit. If the dead's loved ones are aware of what is happening will they care? If they are religious, then yes, they will care very much and will be angry. But God has nothing to do with any of this crap so the anger of the loved ones will be directed at the Cult of Mormon, and that is where it should be. The issue [I mean the real issue] is who benefits from this circus of baptism? Well? The wealth (by way of membership "tithing" keeps any church on the right or wrong side of the law. That's is to say whether it is legal or not. That's where the status of "cult" comes in. Make no mistake, Mormonism is a Cult but if the leadership can rely on its members to keep bumping up converts and tithing then the Cult can survive and stay within the law. And there you have it! Despite decrease in membership, the dead, who are converted unawares, serve to cook the books of statistics. Let’s take it one step further. If the book-keepers limit their input to the percentage of baptised converts to the Mormon Cult alone then who’s to say they don’t imagine the dead converts (who have been consulted Ha-ha!) have had a change of heart (soul?) and reverted back to what they believed before their death, but …. miracle of miracles! …… get baptised a second time in order to return to the Cult of Mormonism once again! So, one person in death can be chalked up as a convert over and over, indefinitely.

 

[Eman623]

You say you believe in God? What God? God refers to all knowing and in full control. Meaning small minds like yours cannot understand that every soul born for even a split second is recorded in Heaven. Including their full DNA that will be used to resurrect all of the dead at the appointed time. And, every spirit of those born are in spirit prison separated from their bodies. All of us came from a more exalted sphere in Heaven as spirit children of our Father and Mother in Heaven, even Elohim. We chose to come to the earth and fulfill our destiny that we agreed to. Those who live beyond the age of accountability, 8 years of age, when given the opportunity to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or in ancient days, the laws of their time given by God, will show by faith to accept or reject it. Part of our test here on earth. Currently, you are failing because I’m giving you that opportunity.
We all will die but eventually be resurrected into various glories of eternal existence, Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial. Those who want Celestial glory will need to be baptized. But, that is an earthly ordinance and can only be done on earth with living humans acting in the place of the dead. Then, with DNA and more, all will be resurrected. Even the evil and wicked ones. That is God’s Grace.

Uh, excuse me waitress, there may be a mixup. I didn't order the extra large word salad.

What is the Church's plan to baptize those who died in the past and are not in any genealogical database? You got no answer. Blah blah recorded in heaven blah blah need to be baptized blah blah is just a word salad to obscure rather than answer this question.

 

[Cougarbear]

You see. You believe there is more than one God to choose from.

Because Mormons think they can talk with dead people.

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You didn’t answer the question. What god do you believe in?

 

[Cougarbear]

Neither of you faced the issue I brought up--LDS caring so little about their own proxy "baptism" they don't care if it lands on pearls or swine. It makes no difference to LDS when proxy "baptisms" are treated with contempt. The issue is I, knowing about LDS and its baptisms, have enough respect for what you people should consider holy, to tell you I will reject such actions. You, like my LDS friend, knowing I reject it, respond, Too bad. It's going to happen anyway.

onefour1, What did Jesus tell his disciples to do when they weren't accepted? He said to shake the dust from their sandals and move on. He did not say, "Preach on!" Did Jesus run after those who, after hearing him say, Eat my body, drink my blood? No. He simply turned to his apostles and said, "Will you go, too?"

LDS is absolutely vicious in its insistence it will continue to proxy "baptize" those who want nothing to do with it.

That was the most splintered response ever. You claim you will reject your proxy baptism. You are here to tell us. The billions who we will do are not here. They are dead or will die. Most from other lands. Are you speaking for the 100 billion people who have lived and died? Shame on you attempting to take away their free will. Shame on you for your splintered short sightedness that you will absolutely deny the Gospel that will be taught to you in Spirit Prison.

 

[Eman623]

When the other guy stops discussing the topic and turns to insults and personal attacks, that's when I know I've won the debate.

You are not representing your religion very well. If i did not know any other Mormons and thought you were in any way representative of your religion, I would have a very low opinion of them.

Fortunately I do know other Mormons. My manager at work for example. He's a great guy who would never say any of the nasty things you routinely say here.

When you did your missionary work, did you call people illiterate and simple minded? How did that work out?

Anyway you lose. I win. Better luck next time.

 

[GLASNOST]

You didn’t answer the question. What god do you believe in?

As opposed to the various Cults (Mormons being your choice) I am inclined to believe there is probably only one God. How many Gods do you have in the vicinity of Kolob?

 

[Cougarbear]

When the other guy stops discussing the topic and turns to insults and personal attacks, that's when I know I've won the debate.

You are not representing your religion very well. If i did not know any other Mormons and thought you were in any way representative of your religion, I would have a very low opinion of them.

Fortunately I do know other Mormons. My manager at work for example. He's a great guy who would never say any of the nasty things you routinely say here.

When you did your missionary work, did you call people illiterate and simple minded? How did that work out?

Anyway you lose. I win. Better luck next time.

That is you. I gave you the answer and you jump on board with Glassnut’s insults

 

[GLASNOST]

That is you. I gave you the answer and you jump on board with Glassnut’s insults

A straightforward lie with inbaked slander. This is an example of Cultist Mormonism.

 

[Eman623]

That is you. I gave you the answer and you jump on board with Glassnut’s insults

That is a lie. I insulted no one in this thread. Unlike you.

Your antagonistic and offensive comments are entirely on you. No one forced you to call other posters names.

 

[Cougarbear]

A straightforward lie with inbaked slander. This is an example of Cultist Mormonism.

If the shoe fits wear it.

 

[Cougarbear]

That is a lie. I insulted no one in this thread. Unlike you.

Your antagonistic and offensive comments are entirely on you. No one forced you to call other posters names.

My comments are answers to your questions and Glassnuts insults. Be truthfull. I’ve given you the answers.

 

[Meriweather]

That was the most splintered response ever.

Again, no response, merely a weak defense.

 

[ding]

That was the most splintered response ever. You claim you will reject your proxy baptism. You are here to tell us. The billions who we will do are not here. They are dead or will die. Most from other lands. Are you speaking for the 100 billion people who have lived and died? Shame on you attempting to take away their free will. Shame on you for your splintered short sightedness that you will absolutely deny the Gospel that will be taught to you in Spirit Prison.

Actually it was spot on. Your attitude is shameful.

 

[GLASNOST]

That is you. I gave you the answer and you jump on board with Glassnut’s insults

A straightforward lie with inbaked slander. This is an example of Cultist Mormonism.

If the shoe fits wear it.

I can see that it fits in your mouth where it is lodged at this very moment. You are a disgusting & filthy-minded person yet here you are claiming to be some sort of angelic cherub. Yes, you represent the Cult of Mormon perfectly.

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually it was spot on. Your attitude is shameful.

Why do you seek to take away free will from 100 billion people who died without the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and were not baptized? Are you Satan trying to stop the work of Father in Heaven and his Son, Jehovah (Jesus Christ)? Your behavior is odd. You weren't spot on. None of you have been spot on. You claim to support the free will of people but only if they are alive. Shameful! Kick people when they are down and dead.

 

[ding]

Why do you seek to take away free will from 100 billion people who died without the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and were not baptized? Are you Satan trying to stop the work of Father in Heaven and his Son, Jehovah (Jesus Christ)? Your behavior is odd. You weren't spot on. None of you have been spot on. You claim to support the free will of people but only if they are alive. Shameful! Kick people when they are down and dead.

I couldn't explain it better than Meriweather explained it in post #423. Which you dismissed as splintered. So why should I expect anything different from you now?

 

[GLASNOST]

Why do you seek to take away free will from 100 billion people who died ......

You just have to be joking. You're just trolling for a laugh in good-natured fun, right? I don't think that you and your corrupt Mormon Cult leaders have the power to administer "free will" to the dead. God is in the kitchen ..... stay out.