Why Do Liberals Hate the Free Market?

[red states rule]

Links? Anyone? (<i>chirp...chirp...chirp...</i>)

Needs links to prove the policies of the left? If you have a problem - libs offer more money and more government

The last thing slibs want is to have people NOT be deoendent on them

 

[red states rule]

Links? Anyone? (<i>chirp...chirp...chirp...</i>)

BTW, after 40 years and $9 trillion dollars spent on social programs to fight the war on poverty - what is the exit strategy do libs have to end this war?

Don't tell me - more money will solve the problem - right?

 

[red states rule]

The liberal media will always hightlight the negative and downplay the positive

Deficit Headline Writing, a Quick MSM How-to
Posted by Jason Smith on March 12, 2007 - 16:26.
Here are the facts: The federal deficit is "down sharply"...


WASHINGTON - The deficit for the first five months of the budget year is down sharply from a year ago as the growth in government tax collections continues to outpace growth in spending.
...and "down sharply" means more than 25 percent over last year.

The Treasury Department reported that the deficit from October through February totaled $162.2 billion, down 25.5 percent from the same period last year.
The federal deficit was up 0.6 percent to $120 billion in February...

That improvement came even though the deficit in February hit $120 billion, up 0.6 percent from last February's deficit of $119.2 billion.
...but that's normal for this time of year as the numbers get skewed up because the government is sending out more money in the form of tax refunds to earlier tax filers.

One factor that contributes to higher deficits in February are the refund payments the Internal Revenue Service is mailing out during the month to people who have filed early tax returns. The February 2006 imbalance was the largest monthly deficit for that year.
...add this little tidbit to the story:

The $248.2 billion deficit for 2006 was the smallest deficit in four years and down significantly from the all-time high...
And you end up with an article that suggests that the federal deficit is down more than 25% from last year, and is around the smallest number in 4 years, despite seeing a slight increase that is standard for this time of year due to IRS refund disbursements. So how does MSM choose to headline the story?

"Deficit grows to $120B in February"

Focus on the negative, ignore the positive, and hope most people won't read past the headline. It's a tried and true formula... and they're obviously sticking to it.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11368

 

[Gurdari]

Correct. The "collective" disposes of human live as if those humans don't own themselves. My definitions of socialism and communism are straight from the socialist and communist textbooks of socialism and communism.

So, as a rabid socialist - I wish to dispose of human life? What textbooks? Keep in mind political ideas bleed over pre-existing lines. Don't grip to hard onto any 'definition' look at the goals and ideas of how to get there, if that changes me into a pseudo-socilaist, so be it.

I give socialists and communists every benefit of their best intioned doubt, but I insist they hold true to their premise--that the individual is a means to the ends of the many.

You're thinking of some hardline Russian vision of the state... can you really picture the NDP (Canada;s socialist party) acting like Stalin?

Socialism and communism is inherently corrupt, both intellectually and morally.

Inherently corrupt? Bullshit. Proove your claim. Show me any example where human variables are removed that shows 'inherent' corruption.

Nope. Ownership of yourself is not a corrupt notion.

What are you talking about? I said corruption exists equally wherever people are - the political model is less relevant than the human condition in this regard.

You have quaint proletatiat notions of who actually creates wealth. The thousands of bolt twisters in the US ARE NOT the wealth creators--the wealth creators are the one who tell the bolt twisters how to twist bolts, and which bolts to twist so that bolt twisting becomes valuable.

I disagree - which group is more necessary? Just because you have more cash than I do, and can start a business doesn't mean you are a teacher or somehow bringing me up to your level - how many companies hire experts to do things they cannot do? None?

Oh yes, Cuba..home of the erudite. Birthplace of pure genius. The monument to the effectiveness of state indoctrination on the advancment of human knowledge.

I especially like the way their healthcare system, and the super-geniuses that run it, cured AIDS.

Sarcasm aside, you still have time on the clock to answer the question or make a point... as I said Cuba has both good and bad elements. I see universally educated population as a benefit, not a drawback. Same with medicine.

A free-market does not have subsidies, nor needs them.

Great, we agree %100. So the US is not a free market.

I think putting the running of nuclear power plants (example: Chernobyl) in the hands of the collective (as it happened to be), rather than those who know how to run nuclear power plants properly, is an example of how totally irresponsible "collective" control of anything is.

What idiot government puts the 'collective' in charge instead of 'those know how to run nuclear power plants properly'? Not my socialist dream, I doubt those at Chernobyl were farmers and railway personnel - maybe they took a night school course in Nuclear physics...

Basically, people have the same goals - a good life, peace, etc. Socialism is about that too -not about crushing anyone's spirit, or achieving nuclear meltdowns (if you were even serious), or disposing of human life...

 

[Hamiltonian]

There should be no child labor laws in an free market right? If a family decides that it maximizes their utility for their children to work, then the market knows best and the family should be allowed to have their children work.

 

[mattskramer]

Libs regualte the free market to increase their control and power. Libs do not give a shit about the "poor" or the working class. All libs care about is being the mommy and daddy party and the transfer of wealth from the producers and the non producers

http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/libgood.html

I think that liberalism has done some good in America. Moderation and balance is the key.

What about those who can’t produce or fall onto hard times through no practical foreseeable events in their lives? What of the mentally or physically restarted? What about those peons who trusted Enron, WorldCom, and Thalidomide? A little bit of a temporary safety net, even if via the Government, is not a bad thing.

 

[red states rule]

http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/libgood.html

I think that liberalism has done some good in America. Moderation and balance is the key.

What about those who can’t produce or fall onto hard times through no practical foreseeable events in their lives? What of the mentally or physically restarted? What about those peons who trusted Enron, WorldCom, and Thalidomide? A little bit of a temporary safety net, even if via the Government, is not a bad thing.

With libs and government the "safety net" has become a King size bed

 

[Toro]

The market creates the most wealth for the most people most of the time. It does not create all the wealth for all the people all the time.

Thus, the default position should be to trust the market, but when markets fail, the government should step in to either improve the market or improve the outcomes of the market.