Why do climate alarmists hate climate skeptics?

[skookerasbil]

Answer is easy?

Because they feel this is their forum and they are perpetually embarrassed by climate skeptics.

Consider............

Regarding climate alarmists...............


THEY SAY........... "Electric vehicles are fast replacing vehicles powered by gas.

• nope........about 120,000 EV's were sold in the US in 2015. More trucks are sold in one month of any year compared to all EV sales combined!

THEY SAY..........."We are seeing bigger and bigger forest fires all over North America due to global
warming!"

• nope.........data collected on many, many historical fires in the 1880's far bigger than the Canada fire 2 weeks ago......shows clearly that forest fires are not some new phenomenon as presented by the climate alarmists.

THEY SAY.............."Hurricanes are going to get bigger and bigger and more frequent......will devastate US
cities"

• nope..........has not been one single hurricane that has hit the US coast ( CAT 5 or CAT 1 ) since Katrina

THEY SAY.........."The Arctic will be ice free by 2013!!"

• nope...........the ice expanded by 1/3rd in 2013 and ice cover in 2016 is still massive

THEY SAY............"Coal is going out of business soon and will be a relic of a former era by 2020!"

• nope..........coal production is soaring all over the world, especially in places like Germany and India. China coal production will increase by 50% by 2050!!

THEY SAY.............."Solar energy is soaring in America and growing by over 100% per year and will soon
overtake coal!!"

• nope.........solar energy still provides America with less than 1% of its electricity power.......will be up to about 3-4% by 2040

THEY SAY........."Climate change is the most critical concern of our lifetimes and the science proves it!!"

• nope......very few people care according to polls from Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen

And Im just scratching the surface here................and I get it........when you get your clock cleaned publically, you get pissed. Im the most hated mofu on the whole USMB because invariably, I make these people look stoopid!!


Links to all "nope"s can be found in THIS thread >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ......along with about 4 billion other links which expose the AGW climate alarmists as utter frauds.


So.....so much winning..................

 

[BlindBoo]

You realize that the alarmist are using the worst case scenario's from the actual scientific publications on some of those matters. Most believe that the effects will be hardly noticeably until a couple of decades out right?

 

[flacaltenn]

You realize that the alarmist are using the worst case scenario's from the actual scientific publications on some of those matters. Most believe that the effects will be hardly noticeably until a couple of decades out right?

It would be different if they actually read the CONTENTS of those cited science papers. Because often the press releases don't match the ACTUAL research and are "opinion" pieces. And in many cases where projections are for something happen by 2100 --- the "street level" view is distorted to mean you can look out your window and see it happening today..

 

[skookerasbil]

You realize that the alarmist are using the worst case scenario's from the actual scientific publications on some of those matters. Most believe that the effects will be hardly noticeably until a couple of decades out right?

Indeed...they are always worst case scenarios but those worst case scenarios have been falling flat on their face for decades now. They said there would be no more snow!! They said tornado frequency and size was going off the charts. They said the ice would be all gone by now ( Arctic ). They said ten years ago that mega-hurricanes would be decimating the US many times each year!!!

Now....you talk about a bunch of bozos!! Guesses based upon theory = ghey.

 

[waltky]

'Very strong' climate change signal in record June heat...

'Very strong' climate change signal in record June heat
Thu, 29 Jun 2017 : Searing weather across the UK and Europe was made more likely by human-induced climate warming say scientists.

Forest fires in Portugal claimed scores of lives while emergency heat plans were triggered in France, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Britain experienced its warmest June day since the famous heat wave of 1976. Human-related warming made record heat 10 times more likely in parts of Europe the researchers say. During June, mean monthly temperatures about 3C above normal were recorded across western parts of the continent. France experienced its hottest June night ever on 21st when the average around the country was 26.4C.

That same day had seen the mercury hit 34.5 at Heathrow in what was the UK's warmest June day for 40 years. It was a similar story in the Netherlands which is set to have its hottest June on record while in Switzerland it was the second warmest since 1864. Now, researchers with World Weather Attribution have carried out a multi-method analysis to assess the role of warming connected to human activities in these record temperatures. "We simulate what is the possible weather under the current climate and then we simulate what is the possible weather without anthropogenic climate change, and then we compare these two likelihoods which gives us the risk ratio," Dr Friederike Otto from the University of Oxford, one of the study's authors, told BBC News. "We found a very strong signal."

Fires in Portugal claimed dozens of lives​

That signal, according to the authors, made heat waves at least 10 times more likely in Spain and Portugal. Fires resulted in the deaths of 64 people in Portugal, while in Spain they forced the removal of around 1,500 people from holiday accommodation and homes. In Central England, France, Switzerland and the Netherlands the intensity and frequency of such extreme heat was four times as likely because of climate change, the study says. "We found clear and strong links between this month's record warmth and human-caused climate change," said Geert Jan van Oldenborgh, senior researcher at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI). "Local temperature records show a clear warming trend, even faster than in climate models that simulate the effects of burning fossil fuels but also solar variability and land use changes," van Oldenborgh added.

The researchers say their reported results on the impact made by human related warming are conservative in some ways. Their study indicated that in countries like Spain, Portugal and France, climate change could be increasing the chances of extreme heat by up to forty times. The scientists believe that the chances of these extreme heat events becoming much more common will increase unless rapid steps are taken to reduce carbon emissions. "Hot months are no longer rare in our current climate. Today we can expect the kind of extreme heat that we saw in June roughly every 10 to 30 years, depending on the country," said Robert Vautard, a researcher at the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Sciences (LSCE), who was also involved in the study. "By the middle of the century, this kind of extreme heat in June will become the norm in Western Europe unless we take immediate steps to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

The researchers are calling on city leaders in particular to work with scientists and public health experts to develop heat action plans. While, usually, researchers wait to publish research like this in a peer-reviewed journal, the team felt that speed was necessary to inform public debate. "When extreme events happen, the question is always asked 'what's the role of climate change?' and often the statement is made by a politician or by someone with a political agenda and not based on scientific evidence," said Dr Otto. "Our aim is to provide that for the role of climate change, to show what you can robustly say within the time frame when people are discussing the event."

'Very strong' climate change signal in record June heat - BBC News

 

[Wyatt earp]

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[westwall]

Answer is easy?

Because they feel this is their forum and they are perpetually embarrassed by climate skeptics.

Consider............

Regarding climate alarmists...............


THEY SAY........... "Electric vehicles are fast replacing vehicles powered by gas.

• nope........about 120,000 EV's were sold in the US in 2015. More trucks are sold in one month of any year compared to all EV sales combined!

THEY SAY..........."We are seeing bigger and bigger forest fires all over North America due to global
warming!"

• nope.........data collected on many, many historical fires in the 1880's far bigger than the Canada fire 2 weeks ago......shows clearly that forest fires are not some new phenomenon as presented by the climate alarmists.

THEY SAY.............."Hurricanes are going to get bigger and bigger and more frequent......will devastate US
cities"

• nope..........has not been one single hurricane that has hit the US coast ( CAT 5 or CAT 1 ) since Katrina

THEY SAY.........."The Arctic will be ice free by 2013!!"

• nope...........the ice expanded by 1/3rd in 2013 and ice cover in 2016 is still massive

THEY SAY............"Coal is going out of business soon and will be a relic of a former era by 2020!"

• nope..........coal production is soaring all over the world, especially in places like Germany and India. China coal production will increase by 50% by 2050!!

THEY SAY.............."Solar energy is soaring in America and growing by over 100% per year and will soon
overtake coal!!"

• nope.........solar energy still provides America with less than 1% of its electricity power.......will be up to about 3-4% by 2040

THEY SAY........."Climate change is the most critical concern of our lifetimes and the science proves it!!"

• nope......very few people care according to polls from Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen

And Im just scratching the surface here................and I get it........when you get your clock cleaned publically, you get pissed. Im the most hated mofu on the whole USMB because invariably, I make these people look stoopid!!


Links to all "nope"s can be found in THIS thread >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ......along with about 4 billion other links which expose the AGW climate alarmists as utter frauds.


So.....so much winning..................

You're only partially correct. The primary reason why they hate sceptics is we are a direct threat to their easy gravy train, and to the politicians and bureaucrats accumulation of power. THAT is why they hate us.

 

[westwall]

'Very strong' climate change signal in record June heat...

'Very strong' climate change signal in record June heat
Thu, 29 Jun 2017 : Searing weather across the UK and Europe was made more likely by human-induced climate warming say scientists.

Forest fires in Portugal claimed scores of lives while emergency heat plans were triggered in France, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Britain experienced its warmest June day since the famous heat wave of 1976. Human-related warming made record heat 10 times more likely in parts of Europe the researchers say. During June, mean monthly temperatures about 3C above normal were recorded across western parts of the continent. France experienced its hottest June night ever on 21st when the average around the country was 26.4C.

That same day had seen the mercury hit 34.5 at Heathrow in what was the UK's warmest June day for 40 years. It was a similar story in the Netherlands which is set to have its hottest June on record while in Switzerland it was the second warmest since 1864. Now, researchers with World Weather Attribution have carried out a multi-method analysis to assess the role of warming connected to human activities in these record temperatures. "We simulate what is the possible weather under the current climate and then we simulate what is the possible weather without anthropogenic climate change, and then we compare these two likelihoods which gives us the risk ratio," Dr Friederike Otto from the University of Oxford, one of the study's authors, told BBC News. "We found a very strong signal."

Fires in Portugal claimed dozens of lives​

That signal, according to the authors, made heat waves at least 10 times more likely in Spain and Portugal. Fires resulted in the deaths of 64 people in Portugal, while in Spain they forced the removal of around 1,500 people from holiday accommodation and homes. In Central England, France, Switzerland and the Netherlands the intensity and frequency of such extreme heat was four times as likely because of climate change, the study says. "We found clear and strong links between this month's record warmth and human-caused climate change," said Geert Jan van Oldenborgh, senior researcher at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI). "Local temperature records show a clear warming trend, even faster than in climate models that simulate the effects of burning fossil fuels but also solar variability and land use changes," van Oldenborgh added.

The researchers say their reported results on the impact made by human related warming are conservative in some ways. Their study indicated that in countries like Spain, Portugal and France, climate change could be increasing the chances of extreme heat by up to forty times. The scientists believe that the chances of these extreme heat events becoming much more common will increase unless rapid steps are taken to reduce carbon emissions. "Hot months are no longer rare in our current climate. Today we can expect the kind of extreme heat that we saw in June roughly every 10 to 30 years, depending on the country," said Robert Vautard, a researcher at the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Sciences (LSCE), who was also involved in the study. "By the middle of the century, this kind of extreme heat in June will become the norm in Western Europe unless we take immediate steps to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

The researchers are calling on city leaders in particular to work with scientists and public health experts to develop heat action plans. While, usually, researchers wait to publish research like this in a peer-reviewed journal, the team felt that speed was necessary to inform public debate. "When extreme events happen, the question is always asked 'what's the role of climate change?' and often the statement is made by a politician or by someone with a political agenda and not based on scientific evidence," said Dr Otto. "Our aim is to provide that for the role of climate change, to show what you can robustly say within the time frame when people are discussing the event."

'Very strong' climate change signal in record June heat - BBC News

Hmmm. No actual facts to back up their claim. Only OPINION. Forgive me if I am unimpressed.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Answer is easy?

Because they feel this is their forum and they are perpetually embarrassed by climate skeptics.

Consider............

Regarding climate alarmists...............


THEY SAY........... "Electric vehicles are fast replacing vehicles powered by gas.

• nope........about 120,000 EV's were sold in the US in 2015. More trucks are sold in one month of any year compared to all EV sales combined!

THEY SAY..........."We are seeing bigger and bigger forest fires all over North America due to global
warming!"

• nope.........data collected on many, many historical fires in the 1880's far bigger than the Canada fire 2 weeks ago......shows clearly that forest fires are not some new phenomenon as presented by the climate alarmists.

THEY SAY.............."Hurricanes are going to get bigger and bigger and more frequent......will devastate US
cities"

• nope..........has not been one single hurricane that has hit the US coast ( CAT 5 or CAT 1 ) since Katrina

THEY SAY.........."The Arctic will be ice free by 2013!!"

• nope...........the ice expanded by 1/3rd in 2013 and ice cover in 2016 is still massive

THEY SAY............"Coal is going out of business soon and will be a relic of a former era by 2020!"

• nope..........coal production is soaring all over the world, especially in places like Germany and India. China coal production will increase by 50% by 2050!!

THEY SAY.............."Solar energy is soaring in America and growing by over 100% per year and will soon
overtake coal!!"

• nope.........solar energy still provides America with less than 1% of its electricity power.......will be up to about 3-4% by 2040

THEY SAY........."Climate change is the most critical concern of our lifetimes and the science proves it!!"

• nope......very few people care according to polls from Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen

And Im just scratching the surface here................and I get it........when you get your clock cleaned publically, you get pissed. Im the most hated mofu on the whole USMB because invariably, I make these people look stoopid!!


Links to all "nope"s can be found in THIS thread >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ......along with about 4 billion other links which expose the AGW climate alarmists as utter frauds.


So.....so much winning..................

You're only partially correct. The primary reason why they hate sceptics is we are a direct threat to their easy gravy train, and to the politicians and bureaucrats accumulation of power. THAT is why they hate us.

It's so weird that people think scientist, politicians are God's or something, except when you get their age you realize their human after all..


.

 

[westwall]

Answer is easy?

Because they feel this is their forum and they are perpetually embarrassed by climate skeptics.

Consider............

Regarding climate alarmists...............


THEY SAY........... "Electric vehicles are fast replacing vehicles powered by gas.

• nope........about 120,000 EV's were sold in the US in 2015. More trucks are sold in one month of any year compared to all EV sales combined!

THEY SAY..........."We are seeing bigger and bigger forest fires all over North America due to global
warming!"

• nope.........data collected on many, many historical fires in the 1880's far bigger than the Canada fire 2 weeks ago......shows clearly that forest fires are not some new phenomenon as presented by the climate alarmists.

THEY SAY.............."Hurricanes are going to get bigger and bigger and more frequent......will devastate US
cities"

• nope..........has not been one single hurricane that has hit the US coast ( CAT 5 or CAT 1 ) since Katrina

THEY SAY.........."The Arctic will be ice free by 2013!!"

• nope...........the ice expanded by 1/3rd in 2013 and ice cover in 2016 is still massive

THEY SAY............"Coal is going out of business soon and will be a relic of a former era by 2020!"

• nope..........coal production is soaring all over the world, especially in places like Germany and India. China coal production will increase by 50% by 2050!!

THEY SAY.............."Solar energy is soaring in America and growing by over 100% per year and will soon
overtake coal!!"

• nope.........solar energy still provides America with less than 1% of its electricity power.......will be up to about 3-4% by 2040

THEY SAY........."Climate change is the most critical concern of our lifetimes and the science proves it!!"

• nope......very few people care according to polls from Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen

And Im just scratching the surface here................and I get it........when you get your clock cleaned publically, you get pissed. Im the most hated mofu on the whole USMB because invariably, I make these people look stoopid!!


Links to all "nope"s can be found in THIS thread >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ......along with about 4 billion other links which expose the AGW climate alarmists as utter frauds.


So.....so much winning..................

You're only partially correct. The primary reason why they hate sceptics is we are a direct threat to their easy gravy train, and to the politicians and bureaucrats accumulation of power. THAT is why they hate us.

It's so weird that people think scientist, politicians are God's or something, except when you get their age you realize their human after all..


.

I just watch the Congressional testimony and you see how they are really poor thinkers, not fast on their feet at all, and in many cases completely incompetent.

 

[Old Rocks]

Answer is easy?

Because they feel this is their forum and they are perpetually embarrassed by climate skeptics.

Consider............

Regarding climate alarmists...............


THEY SAY........... "Electric vehicles are fast replacing vehicles powered by gas.

• nope........about 120,000 EV's were sold in the US in 2015. More trucks are sold in one month of any year compared to all EV sales combined!

THEY SAY..........."We are seeing bigger and bigger forest fires all over North America due to global
warming!"

• nope.........data collected on many, many historical fires in the 1880's far bigger than the Canada fire 2 weeks ago......shows clearly that forest fires are not some new phenomenon as presented by the climate alarmists.

THEY SAY.............."Hurricanes are going to get bigger and bigger and more frequent......will devastate US
cities"

• nope..........has not been one single hurricane that has hit the US coast ( CAT 5 or CAT 1 ) since Katrina

THEY SAY.........."The Arctic will be ice free by 2013!!"

• nope...........the ice expanded by 1/3rd in 2013 and ice cover in 2016 is still massive

THEY SAY............"Coal is going out of business soon and will be a relic of a former era by 2020!"

• nope..........coal production is soaring all over the world, especially in places like Germany and India. China coal production will increase by 50% by 2050!!

THEY SAY.............."Solar energy is soaring in America and growing by over 100% per year and will soon
overtake coal!!"

• nope.........solar energy still provides America with less than 1% of its electricity power.......will be up to about 3-4% by 2040

THEY SAY........."Climate change is the most critical concern of our lifetimes and the science proves it!!"

• nope......very few people care according to polls from Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen

And Im just scratching the surface here................and I get it........when you get your clock cleaned publically, you get pissed. Im the most hated mofu on the whole USMB because invariably, I make these people look stoopid!!


Links to all "nope"s can be found in THIS thread >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ......along with about 4 billion other links which expose the AGW climate alarmists as utter frauds.


So.....so much winning..................

You're only partially correct. The primary reason why they hate sceptics is we are a direct threat to their easy gravy train, and to the politicians and bureaucrats accumulation of power. THAT is why they hate us.

No, we don't hate you. We just see you as contemptible know nothings and liars.

Mr. Westwall, youi have been predicting an immediate cooling since you have been posting here. Where is that cooling at? How many years of record heat have we had during that period? And why do you continue with that foolish prediction?

In the meantime, the real scientists like Hansen and Francis have seen their predictions come to pass, sometimes quite a bit sooner than they would have liked. Northwest Passage opened in 2007, and a luxury liner transited it last year. The destabalized jet stream creating longer lasting and more extreme cold and hot spells. They have been spot on, and you have been wrong virtually 100% of the time.

 

[westwall]

Answer is easy?

Because they feel this is their forum and they are perpetually embarrassed by climate skeptics.

Consider............

Regarding climate alarmists...............


THEY SAY........... "Electric vehicles are fast replacing vehicles powered by gas.

• nope........about 120,000 EV's were sold in the US in 2015. More trucks are sold in one month of any year compared to all EV sales combined!

THEY SAY..........."We are seeing bigger and bigger forest fires all over North America due to global
warming!"

• nope.........data collected on many, many historical fires in the 1880's far bigger than the Canada fire 2 weeks ago......shows clearly that forest fires are not some new phenomenon as presented by the climate alarmists.

THEY SAY.............."Hurricanes are going to get bigger and bigger and more frequent......will devastate US
cities"

• nope..........has not been one single hurricane that has hit the US coast ( CAT 5 or CAT 1 ) since Katrina

THEY SAY.........."The Arctic will be ice free by 2013!!"

• nope...........the ice expanded by 1/3rd in 2013 and ice cover in 2016 is still massive

THEY SAY............"Coal is going out of business soon and will be a relic of a former era by 2020!"

• nope..........coal production is soaring all over the world, especially in places like Germany and India. China coal production will increase by 50% by 2050!!

THEY SAY.............."Solar energy is soaring in America and growing by over 100% per year and will soon
overtake coal!!"

• nope.........solar energy still provides America with less than 1% of its electricity power.......will be up to about 3-4% by 2040

THEY SAY........."Climate change is the most critical concern of our lifetimes and the science proves it!!"

• nope......very few people care according to polls from Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen

And Im just scratching the surface here................and I get it........when you get your clock cleaned publically, you get pissed. Im the most hated mofu on the whole USMB because invariably, I make these people look stoopid!!


Links to all "nope"s can be found in THIS thread >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ......along with about 4 billion other links which expose the AGW climate alarmists as utter frauds.


So.....so much winning..................

You're only partially correct. The primary reason why they hate sceptics is we are a direct threat to their easy gravy train, and to the politicians and bureaucrats accumulation of power. THAT is why they hate us.

No, we don't hate you. We just see you as contemptible know nothings and liars.

Mr. Westwall, youi have been predicting an immediate cooling since you have been posting here. Where is that cooling at? How many years of record heat have we had during that period? And why do you continue with that foolish prediction?

In the meantime, the real scientists like Hansen and Francis have seen their predictions come to pass, sometimes quite a bit sooner than they would have liked. Northwest Passage opened in 2007, and a luxury liner transited it last year. The destabalized jet stream creating longer lasting and more extreme cold and hot spells. They have been spot on, and you have been wrong virtually 100% of the time.

Yes, you do. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling for sceptics to be jailed or murdered all of the time. The climate models are absolute shit. They have been wrong 100% of the time. Every time they have been declared "accurate" is because you assholes go through and change what they claimed after the fact. That is all climatology is now, one big fat lie.