Why did the holocaust occur?

[Old Rocks]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

I don't give a shit and am tired of constantly hearing about.

Now that is one reason that it was allowed to happen.

 

[Old Rocks]

If you are talking about the so called Holocaust of the Jews, then the answer is simple.

During WWI the Jewish bankers had sold out Germany causing the humiliation and defeat of Germany.

The average German citizen knew this and hated the Jews for it.

When Hitler came along and voiced what everyone knew but were afraid to say.

He became wildly popular and was able to round up the traitorous Jews and put them in camps.

The average German supported the cleansing of society from Jewish decadence and immorality.

Another reason heard from.

 

[Xenophon]

And this person is considered a responsible person who is worthy of trust, or belief and has the authority to 'monitor' posters and remove other peoples posts only because he/she does not agree with the data written???

Hmmmm....and who monitors the one who monitors one wonders.

When one has no argument, when one cannot debate the issues at hand, resort to casting personal aspersions (even though they do absolutely nothing bar disrupt, stifle freedom of speech, not to mention make them look a fool). I am still waiting for Xeno to demonstrate to me how an experiment carried out by respected scientists regarding residue of Zyclon B at Auschwitz is 'tripe'.

Do you think you will ever get around to this Xeno? You see, removing data without due and fair cause is not conducive to a productive and/or interesting forum.

As a matter of fact, I do.

If you have a problem with an action taken by a monitor proper recourse is to address it via either reporting the post or private message. It will not be addressed in a public forum on this board.

Your last little paragraph is just some nicely worded bullshit. One isn't required to have an argument against a non-argument. You have NONE. The facts speak for themselves. Your denial doesn't make them go away.

Would you like to demonstrate to me that my argument regarding the residue of Zyclon B is a non argument?

The only non-argument is the one demonstrated by Xeno and also now it seems by you yourself.

I have offered Xeno and now offer you a link to documented data that supports the findings I posted, via an impeccable source, the findings were also accepted as accurate by the curator of the Austwitz museum at the time. The video I referred to in my first post, produced by a Jewish gentleman has also documented the curator's response to such findings.

Xeno chose to ignore this and instead felt that casting childish aspersions was more productive, that is a classical example of a non- argument I think you will find.

THREE TIMES I posted the same link with completely refutes the nonsense about Zyklon B not being used to kill Jews.

Either you are too stupid to read links or just terminaly obtuse remains to be seen.

 

[Yukon]

"THREE TIMES I posted the same link with completely refutes the nonsense about Zyklon B not being used to kill Jews."

The Jewish people died in work camps that were owned by Gemans, the camps were managed by Jews.

 

[del]

"THREE TIMES I posted the same link with completely refutes the nonsense about Zyklon B not being used to kill Jews."

The Jewish people died in work camps that were owned by Gemans, the camps were managed by Jews.

ZOG

 

[roomy]

Then why are professional historians and any others who question the accepted historical consensus open to penal and/or moral retribution with which to shut them up?

As I already stated; What are people afraid of exactly? Bully tactics will never stop people from asking genuine questions, regarding any subject matter, regardless.

Because 'THE WHOLE WIDE ******* WORLD' has accepted as'FACT' that the holocaust happened, therefore those that 'DENY' it are puposefully publishing/orating antisemitic/racist bullshit which happens to be 'AGAINST THE ******* LAW'.

That is not a logical, or valid answer. You are also incorrect, the whole world has not accepted every aspect of the Holocaust as fact. As I stated earlier, bully tactics will not shut those people with genuine questions up, regardless.

By the way Roomy, for your information, using a large font has absolutely no effect on logic and reason.

The fact still remains that all aspects of history, no matter how emotional people may feel about said aspects,are freely open and always have been, to debate and historical investigation.

There is absolutely no valid reason why the historical consensus regarding the Holocaust should not be the same, no matter how loud, much, or often people who want to stifle free speech, or exert control shout.

Do me a ******* favour you '*******' lunatic, It has been said and put to bed, now shut the **** up, bigger brains than yours have pondered and agreed.

 

[Sunni Man]

It's an inconvenient fact to the holocaust story.

But most of the inmates at Dachau and Buchenwald, about eighty percent, were non-Jews

Spielberg and the Eleven Million

 

[roomy]

Even raging anti semites 'Know' that it 'really' happened.Idiots can be forgiven and or ignored, antisemites need to be shut up.

William the who?

My child, you are so pathetic. Your name calling is to be expected. We free people believe and know that it is our God given right to challenge unproven theories. Did 6 million die ? I say it can't be proven. I say that there weren't 6 million Jewish people in Europe prior to 1939. This entire event is a myth. A myth that was created by Hollywood. You, my child, myths - Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Parting of the Red Sea, The Resurrection, etc. etc.

I don't believe in any God you thick ****, I believe in ***** like you that murder people then say it never happened.Fuk you, you thick ****.

 

[roomy]

Revisionism and tripe removed

Would you like to demonstrate to myself and the other posters here that the data I posted was tripe?

Your actions are a classic example of everything I have stated, regarding inappropriate and unjust mechanisms. Show me and the others how experiments carried out by independent respected scientists can be construed as 'tripe', then you can remove the writings of others with just cause.

At the moment you are displaying the actions of one who weants to stifle free speech. Just because you may not agree with my writings, does not mean they are lacking in validity.

You have also no idea what my motives are here.

Look in the mirror, if you look like a **** and talk like a **** you are invariably a ****.Proof positive.

 

[reality bites]

Revisionism and tripe removed

Would you like to demonstrate to myself and the other posters here that the data I posted was tripe?

Your actions are a classic example of everything I have stated, regarding inappropriate and unjust mechanisms. Show me and the others how experiments carried out by independent respected scientists can be construed as 'tripe', then you can remove the writings of others with just cause.

At the moment you are displaying the actions of one who weants to stifle free speech. Just because you may not agree with my writings, does not mean they are lacking in validity.

You have also no idea what my motives are here.

Look in the mirror, if you look like a **** and talk like a **** you are invariably a ****.Proof positive.

I agree with you, see above

 

[roomy]

Would you like to demonstrate to myself and the other posters here that the data I posted was tripe?

Your actions are a classic example of everything I have stated, regarding inappropriate and unjust mechanisms. Show me and the others how experiments carried out by independent respected scientists can be construed as 'tripe', then you can remove the writings of others with just cause.

At the moment you are displaying the actions of one who weants to stifle free speech. Just because you may not agree with my writings, does not mean they are lacking in validity.

You have also no idea what my motives are here.

Look in the mirror, if you look like a **** and talk like a **** you are invariably a ****.Proof positive.

I agree with you, see above

**** you , you thick ****.

 

[DiveCon]

The topic of this thread Xenophon is "Why did the holocaust occur? "

Can we get back to the subject?

Thank You

Why? Is there still someone left that hasn't destroyed your bullshit lies and propaganda?

So far no one has been able to refute anything that I have posted or said.

****cough****

BULLSHIT
everything you have posted has been refuted

 

[jillian]

You have also no idea what my motives are here.

when people feel the need to try to falsify history, they are either stupid or hate-filled.

which are you?

btw, the Germans kept great records, unfortunately for you. And it was 11 million people who were murdered. six million happened to be europe's jews.

 

[DiveCon]

Thanks for the applause!

Still waiting for someone to comment about what the SUPREME COURT RULED!

{or the lies people like to tell..................}

A court in a country where holocaust denial is a criminal offence.

Doesn't sound like a place that an objective or fair verdict could be handed down.

more lies

holocaust denial isnt a crime in the USA

 

[Yukon]

6 million rights do not equal 5 million wrongs !

 

[jillian]

cool... another cowardly loser.

 

[reality bites]

You have also no idea what my motives are here.

when people feel the need to revise history, they are either stupid or hate-filled.

which are you?

btw, the Germans kept great records, unfortunately for you. And it was 11 million people who were murdered. six million happened to be europe's jews.

Yes they did, we have already ascertained this. There is no dispute there.....I have been referring entirely to Gas Chambers.......or do you now say eleven million were gassed?

I see, so every single historian throughout our history must have been, or is hate filled, or stupid, according to your doctrine....or Jillian does this only apply to those historians who revise the Holocaust? Hmmmmm....stupidity...is thrown about here willy nilly, by those in no valid position to do so.

 

[del]

You have also no idea what my motives are here.

when people feel the need to revise history, they are either stupid or hate-filled.

which are you?

btw, the Germans kept great records, unfortunately for you. And it was 11 million people who were murdered. six million happened to be europe's jews.

Yes they did, we have already ascertained this. There is no dispute there.....I have been referring entirely to Gas Chambers.......or do you now say eleven million were gassed?

I see, so every single historian throughout our history must have been, or is hate filled, or stupid, according to your doctrine....or Jillian does this only apply to those historians who revise the Holocaust? Hmmmmm....stupidity...is thrown about here willy nilly, by those in no valid position to do so.

why don't you stop, then?

 

[reality bites]

when people feel the need to revise history, they are either stupid or hate-filled.

which are you?

btw, the Germans kept great records, unfortunately for you. And it was 11 million people who were murdered. six million happened to be europe's jews.

Yes they did, we have already ascertained this. There is no dispute there.....I have been referring entirely to Gas Chambers.......or do you now say eleven million were gassed?

I see, so every single historian throughout our history must have been, or is hate filled, or stupid, according to your doctrine....or Jillian does this only apply to those historians who revise the Holocaust? Hmmmmm....stupidity...is thrown about here willy nilly, by those in no valid position to do so.

why don't you stop, then?

Ah... but you see...this works both ways....only stupid people cannot see this. The difference being.....I post information in an informed and rational manner, but some here have no interest in genuinely debating or refuting data...they just enjoy using expletives and/or insults. Now which route is stupid?

 

[del]

Yes they did, we have already ascertained this. There is no dispute there.....I have been referring entirely to Gas Chambers.......or do you now say eleven million were gassed?

I see, so every single historian throughout our history must have been, or is hate filled, or stupid, according to your doctrine....or Jillian does this only apply to those historians who revise the Holocaust? Hmmmmm....stupidity...is thrown about here willy nilly, by those in no valid position to do so.

why don't you stop, then?

Ah... but you see...this works both ways....only stupid people cannot see this. The difference being.....I post information in an informed and rational manner, but some here have no interest in genuinely debating or refuting data...they just enjoy using expletives and/or insults. Now which route is stupid?

yes.