Why did the holocaust occur?

[DavidS]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

I don't give a shit and am tired of constantly hearing about.

 

[random3434]

It happened because Mans Inhumanity to Man has no boundaries.

The safest course is to do nothing against one's conscience. With this secret, we can enjoy life and have no fear from death. -Voltaire

 

[dilloduck]

It happened because Mans Inhumanity to Man has no boundaries.

The safest course is to do nothing against one's conscience. With this secret, we can enjoy life and have no fear from death. -Voltaire

and continues to happen to every race, nationality, and creed.

 

[random3434]

It happened because Mans Inhumanity to Man has no boundaries.

The safest course is to do nothing against one's conscience. With this secret, we can enjoy life and have no fear from death. -Voltaire

and continues to happen to every race, nationality, and creed.

Yes, thus the man's inhumanity to man. Evil has no bounds, never has, never will, as long as there are humans, or what passes for humans.

 

[Skeptik]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

The holocaust is not the only example of genocide. It is something that has happened over and over again throughout human history.

There must be something in the makeup of human beings that leads us to try to wipe out other human beings who are different in one way or another. It must be something in the psycology of the human species, not peculiar to any race or culture, as it has happened in different cultures and among different races.

Maybe, if we can figure out what it is, we can prevent such a thing from happening in the future.

Or, maybe not.

Isn't there a genocide going on right now, in Africa?

 

[roomy]

Hitler and his henchmen found themselves in a position of Godlike power, Germany was in crisis and the Jews were an easy blame for all the woes of the German people.As horrible as it is, this hatred of the Jewry united the German people to such an effect that his pograms snowballed.

 

[Munin]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

One word: scapegoat

 

[Anguille]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

Which holocaust? Our history is full of them.

 

[Sky Dancer]

This is an interesting topic. The holocaust happened because the causes and conditions for it to happen were present.

One of the most interesting things to me is how the German people were socialized in their families to accept authority and to not investigate what their government was doing.

 

[Sunni Man]

If you are talking about the so called Holocaust of the Jews, then the answer is simple.

During WWI the Jewish bankers had sold out Germany causing the humiliation and defeat of Germany.

The average German citizen knew this and hated the Jews for it.

When Hitler came along and voiced what everyone knew but were afraid to say.

He became wildly popular and was able to round up the traitorous Jews and put them in camps.

The average German supported the cleansing of society from Jewish decadence and immorality.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:

To be perfectly frank I see no point in adding yet another body of work -even a work as masterful as this clearly is -to the subject of the Holocaust that is devoid of any serious analysis of the question of why. A million volumes have already been written and they all with few exceptions primarily function to shroud the episode in mystery, rendering the subject broadly incomprehensible and in so doing, serving to intellectually disarm any meaningful resistance to its future resuscitation.

The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

Which holocaust? Our history is full of them.

True enough. History is full of stories of genocide. Some are recent. We are still haunted by the Nazi holocaust over sixty years later.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Hitler and his henchmen found themselves in a position of Godlike power, Germany was in crisis and the Jews were an easy blame for all the woes of the German people.As horrible as it is, this hatred of the Jewry united the German people to such an effect that his pograms snowballed.

I would change that synopsis only slightly to say that "the Jews were essential to blame for the woes...." That the Jews were closely identified with the political parties that made up "the backstabbers of 1918" causing Germany to surrender at Versailles and the suffer under the "iron boot" of that treaty, was a theme too good to ignore. If you are a far right wing party of little note, it does you no harm to shoot broadly at left-wing socialists and the elements that make up the socialist parties. That certainly fit the National Socialist German Workers Party in the 1920s. Add in the pre-existing Antisemitism that existed in Germany and it was irresistible.

Further, the leadership began to believe its own bullshit. (Maybe that is a trifle too cynical, but I think it is possible).

 

[ABikerSailor]

Why did the Holocaust happen?

Well......after WWI, Germany was in an economic slump, and they saw all the Jews around them still doing pretty well.

Hitler saw this, and started to come up with his own way of doing things. Personally? I think he stumbled upon some arcane Kabbalah knowledge, or some other thing like that, and learned how to influence people with his presence.

Then, knowing that if he didn't eradicate the Jews, they would tell on him and what he was doing (basically lying to the German people), so he started to have them gassed, creamated and worked to death, as well as shot and buried in mass graves.

I also think that there was a bit of self-hatred mixed in, as there were facial features about Hitler which made people wonder if he was half Jewish or not.

Then........there was his incredible obsession with the Occult, as well as theologies from all over the world, as well as the German lore.

Because there was such a cooraboration between Hitler and the Islamics from the ME, I'd also be willing to bet that Muslims had a bit of an influence on it as well.

You do know that Nazis and Muslims were allies in WWII, right?

Oh yeah.......and then there was the drug addiction thing.

 

[Tech_Esq]

If you are talking about the so called Holocaust of the Jews, then the answer is simple.

During WWI the Jewish bankers had sold out Germany causing the humiliation and defeat of Germany.

The average German citizen knew this and hated the Jews for it.

When Hitler came along and voiced what everyone knew but were afraid to say.

He became wildly popular and was able to round up the traitorous Jews and put them in camps.

The average German supported the cleansing of society from Jewish decadence and immorality.

Nice summary of Mein Kampf.....I wonder why you know it so well?

 

[Diuretic]

Government policy, the Final Solution. It was a genocide ordered by the Nazis. Why was that? Roomy has already pointed it out. I think that the Nazis saw Jews as a threat to their government and were determined to remove that threat. How valid that assumption was I don't know. A point has been made about Jewish financiers. I think that point can be defeated by the evidence that points to the Nazis wanting to eliminate all Jews, not just financiers. Anyway my view is that it was a racial genocide. A racial genocide carries within it its own reasoning - witness the Rwandan genocide. Same human impulse.

 

[editec]

Because people are basically cowards and their cowardess makes them damned fools, DavidS.

The only people who fought against the National socialist movement were the Communists and anarchists.

But since the elite of Germany felt that Hitler was a superior choice compared to communists and anarchists they threw their support to him because they felt he was no threat to capitalism (and they were right)

Where do you think the SA got the money to hire the thugs (including Hitler FYI) for those years before the NAZIs gained political control of the nation? Bake sales?

And remember that the NAZI took control of the streets before they took control of the nation. They were a highly organizaed private ARMY long before they were in power.

National Socialist movement got their operating capital from the industrialists (Like Krupt) who would benefit from German remilitarization.

The Jews and Gypsies, and homosexuals were just very convenient scapegoats because the average German didn't like them anyway.

But the Communists, union leaders and social democrats were the real threat, and you'll notice that once Hitler took over, they were also the FIRST people send to the camps.

As to why the Jews were targeted?

Hey all you've got to do is read THIS board and you'll understand the sort of convuluted thinking of the people that hate Jews.

And if you REALLY want to get you PhD about what causes anti-Semitism, you ought to go back and read some of the disgusting things you have written, here, too.

Racism begates racism, sport and you DavidS, are no less a racist than William Joyce or Sunni.

I don't think you perceive yourself as a racist, I don't even think you're a bad person, but I definitely do think you live in a cacoon of like-minded ethnocentrists who have poisoned your world outlook.

Having sucked from that toxic teat myself, all I can tell you and them is that recovery for hate IS possible once you leave whatever ghetto of ignorance that sustains you now.

 

[Modbert]

I don't give a shit and am tired of constantly hearing about.

I think David is trying to gain some guilt now that everybody knows he's a ignorant pervert.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't believe there is any question that is so simple yet that requires such a complex answer.

On another message board more relating to photography, a photographer had unveiled a new, quite excellent body of work that exhibited portraits of holocaust survivors. One critic had this to say about the subject matter:



The discussion of politics is not allowed on that forum, so I thought I would turn the discussion over to here, where there are quite a few intelligent people on this forum.

So, why do YOU think the holocaust happened? Give whatever realist or phillisophical belief you might have on why it occurred.

Also, I know there are deniers out there who believe the holocaust never happened and we've got your story down - thank you. I also know there are one or two neo-nazis/skinheads/racists on this forum, again thank you, we know you hate Jews. This discussion is not for you and I would thank you if you kept out of it.

Which holocaust? Our history is full of them.

True enough. History is full of stories of genocide. Some are recent. We are still haunted by the Nazi holocaust over sixty years later.

I'm not haunted by it----I'm bored to tears of hearing about it. Let's study a few other genocides and get a little broader view of history.

 

[Modbert]

Isn't there a genocide going on right now, in Africa?

Yes, but David doesn't care about them since they're black and not Jewish.

I don't like how David refers to it as the holocaust as if there was only one.

How many times do Americans want to talk about how the U.S. Govt and many of her citizens committed genocide against the Indians?

Their population went from 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900.