Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

"so you think that 10+ yr old, Repub-instigated, war of choice was a good idea?"

You assume a lot.
Yes, I think it was a good idea.
But it was (and continues)a terrorist instigated war and is no more a war of choice than any other.

Would you propose, like other rw'ers here, that we stay there and suffer more 1000's of casualties No.

"We already have 1000's killed and 10's of 1000's maimed, physically & psycologicall "

Just as we did in a few hours when the war was started by the terrorists. 9/11. It was in all the papers

BTW- I served and didn't refer to taxpayers (the ones who paid my check) "assholes".

I very often refer to taxpayers and the government as assholes for other reasons but I consider anyone who tries to make political points from dead soldiers the very worst of assholes. They died in service to the American people and while under orders of the officials elected to represent them. They died for America not for petty politics of a party. To claim otherwise is to dishonor them.
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EXACTLY what was the threat from Iraq?

We declared war on terrorists. Sadam was himself a terrorist aiding and abetting terrorist groups with the money from his oil fields. He had chemical weapons. What part of that did you miss?
 
EXACTLY what was the threat from Iraq?

We declared war on terrorists. Sadam was himself a terrorist aiding and abetting terrorist groups with the money from his oil fields. He had chemical weapons. What part of that did you miss?
Did you miss this part?

"In 1987, the U.S. became directly involved in the (Iran-Iraq) war on Iraq's side by protecting the passage of Kuwaiti tankers with a major military presence in the Persian Gulf.

"Some U.S.-escorted, Kuwait tankers carried Iraqi oil while Iraqi planes attacked Iranian tankers.

"The U.S. sank Iranian patrol ships and destroyed their oil platforms.

"In 1987, Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. became commander of the U.S. Central Command. He had a unique background for the assignment.20 In the 1953, his father assisted in the CIA's coup in Iran.

"When the Iran-Iraq War ended in 1988, U.S. war contingency plans made Iraq the enemy.21

"In January 1990, CIA Director William Webster testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on growing Western dependency on Middle East oil.22

"In February, Schwarzkopf told the committee that the U.S. should increase its military presence in the region and described new intervention plans.23

"In 1990, the U.S. conducted at least four war games directed at Iraq, some premised on an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

"The U.S. wanted a new war in the Middle East: the Pentagon, to maintain its tremendous budget; arms industries, to feed their Middle East and U.S. military contracts; oil companies, for increased profits; and the Bush administration, which saw the USSR's disintegration as a chance to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East to control of its oil resources.

"The challenge was to force Iraq, a country more interested in rebuilding than expansion, to take action that would justify U.S. military intervention.

"To create this crisis, the U.S. invoked its special relationship with the Kuwait.

"In his book Hidden Agenda Behind the Gulf War, Pierre Salinger observed that Kuwait drastically increase oil production one day after the Iran-Iraq ceasefire."

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"so you think that 10+ yr old, Repub-instigated, war of choice was a good idea?"

You assume a lot.
Yes, I think it was a good idea.
But it was (and continues)a terrorist instigated war and is no more a war of choice than any other.

Would you propose, like other rw'ers here, that we stay there and suffer more 1000's of casualties No.

"We already have 1000's killed and 10's of 1000's maimed, physically & psycologicall "

Just as we did in a few hours when the war was started by the terrorists. 9/11. It was in all the papers

BTW- I served and didn't refer to taxpayers (the ones who paid my check) "assholes".

I very often refer to taxpayers and the government as assholes for other reasons but I consider anyone who tries to make political points from dead soldiers the very worst of assholes. They died in service to the American people and while under orders of the officials elected to represent them. They died for America not for petty politics of a party. To claim otherwise is to dishonor them.
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They died for Haliburton in Iraq. The truth doesn't dishonor anyone.
 
EXACTLY what was the threat from Iraq?

We declared war on terrorists. Sadam was himself a terrorist aiding and abetting terrorist groups with the money from his oil fields. He had chemical weapons. What part of that did you miss?
Did you miss this part?

"In 1987, the U.S. became directly involved in the (Iran-Iraq) war on Iraq's side by protecting the passage of Kuwaiti tankers with a major military presence in the Persian Gulf.

"Some U.S.-escorted, Kuwait tankers carried Iraqi oil while Iraqi planes attacked Iranian tankers.

"The U.S. sank Iranian patrol ships and destroyed their oil platforms.

"In 1987, Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. became commander of the U.S. Central Command. He had a unique background for the assignment.20 In the 1953, his father assisted in the CIA's coup in Iran.

"When the Iran-Iraq War ended in 1988, U.S. war contingency plans made Iraq the enemy.21

"In January 1990, CIA Director William Webster testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on growing Western dependency on Middle East oil.22

"In February, Schwarzkopf told the committee that the U.S. should increase its military presence in the region and described new intervention plans.23

"In 1990, the U.S. conducted at least four war games directed at Iraq, some premised on an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

"The U.S. wanted a new war in the Middle East: the Pentagon, to maintain its tremendous budget; arms industries, to feed their Middle East and U.S. military contracts; oil companies, for increased profits; and the Bush administration, which saw the USSR's disintegration as a chance to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East to control of its oil resources.

"The challenge was to force Iraq, a country more interested in rebuilding than expansion, to take action that would justify U.S. military intervention.

"To create this crisis, the U.S. invoked its special relationship with the Kuwait.

"In his book Hidden Agenda Behind the Gulf War, Pierre Salinger observed that Kuwait drastically increase oil production one day after the Iran-Iraq ceasefire."

1958

What I missed was:
Whatever point you were trying to make
Why you thought your post had anything to do with the topic
And what makes you think you have the right to disrespect our fallen
 
"so you think that 10+ yr old, Repub-instigated, war of choice was a good idea?"

You assume a lot.
Yes, I think it was a good idea.
But it was (and continues)a terrorist instigated war and is no more a war of choice than any other.

Would you propose, like other rw'ers here, that we stay there and suffer more 1000's of casualties No.

"We already have 1000's killed and 10's of 1000's maimed, physically & psycologicall "

Just as we did in a few hours when the war was started by the terrorists. 9/11. It was in all the papers

BTW- I served and didn't refer to taxpayers (the ones who paid my check) "assholes".

I very often refer to taxpayers and the government as assholes for other reasons but I consider anyone who tries to make political points from dead soldiers the very worst of assholes. They died in service to the American people and while under orders of the officials elected to represent them. They died for America not for petty politics of a party. To claim otherwise is to dishonor them.
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They died for Haliburton in Iraq. The truth doesn't dishonor anyone.

The truth is that died doing the job America sent them to do. You're just another asshole trying to make political points disrespecting our fallen. Shame on you.
 
Why did we invade Iraq?

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Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

Iraq worked to build a nuclear arsenal starting in the 1960s. At the behest of then-VP Saddam Hussein, the 1970s saw Iraq establish a nuclear weapons program through 1991. Following his ouster in Kuwait, Hussein was anything but truthful about his nuclear program. He vacillated between threatening allied powers that he was close to completion of his program and playing a shell game with the UN inspectors about his true state of nuclear readiness that he claimed he was working on every time the issue popped up. It is known that by 1991 Iraq had created a robust, covert program that included a complete, although untested, nuclear weapon design and roughly 36.3 kilograms of weapons useable HEU as research reactor fuel. Later on, it could not be established that Hussein actually had what he said he had. Some construed it as it never existed, while others construed that he had successfully hoodwinked the UN Inspectors. There is the possibility it is a state secret as a political device to control public opinion. I do not know.

At any rate, legally, when someone claims they are armed with a specific type of weapon, the person they fooled who retaliates is not responsible for the avaricious lie in thinking the truth was established by his testimony. Saddam made egregious claims he was unstoppable, which gave pause to his enemies. After his particularly egregious aggression to expatriate Kuwaitis for the oil he would gain in conquest was snuffed, his behaviors toward Americans were so unthinkable that Secretary of State Madeline Albright established in her State Department notes a considerable resource for those who wanted to know on the War Crimes of Saddam Hussein. They amounted to his regular political decimation of around 60,000 human lives off the face of the planet for daring to bar his aggressive tendencies.

He established rape rooms and put his bloodthirsty sons, Uday and Qusay in charge, who regularly took the families of his adversaries, and raped the women while the men watched, sometimes just killing the broken-hearted husband who'd just watch his wife raped and possibly maimed, and sometimes killing all of them in the most gruesome means possible, depending on his whim, no trials, either.

After his agreement to stop using WOMDs on the Kurds in Iraq, mass graves were still needed for those other means he used to take out his political adversaries, real and imagined.

Even so, I well recollect reports of his claims of having nukes well into the months following 9/11 and the particular horror of hearing how he was paying off families of homicidal maniac bombing and killing Israeli citizens with checks in the amount of $25,000, and if they got an American killed, the amount was increased to double that ($50,000.)

He said he had nukes, Madeline Albright's notes said he had nukes, he repeated it over and over, until, guess what. In addition to Interpol information and our own intelligence, all we could surmise was that not only did Saddam Hussein likely have nukes, he needed to stop the massive killing of neighbors and Iraqi citizens, because he wasn't satisfied until tens of thousands of people were murdered to sate his tyrannically insecure appetite that his own people did not love him. IOW, he was a madman and unworthy of ruling a country with 26,000,000 people living in it.

And due to his aggression against American citizens in his country and history of trying to assassinate prominent Americans, the lot fell onto the president at the time, President George W. Bush, who reluctantly went to the UN with the best information he had, delivered by Colin Powell, who apparently agreed enough with that information from information we had on Saddam dating back several blood-filled decades to do whatever it took to stop nukes from proliferating in the Middle East with all that talk of wiping people off the face of the map long preceding the nut Ahmadinejad of Iran who took up where Saddam Hussein left off, for approbation from other nutcases in the Middle East, not to mention a few in Washington using the entire war for political takeover of a schema to redistribute wealth in America, which would decimate our role as peace-through-strength measures.

I don't think we can exactly beat up on any one President for blocking America-haters in the world considering the alternative of a motivated-to-snuff-the-earth bunch led by an Ahmadinejad, who once held his foot on an American serviceman, shot him through the temple, and kicked him off an Airplane when Jimmy Carter was president (not blaming Carter for this atrocity, BTW).

I've lived the years through all of this as many of you have. The only difference is that I made copious notes of Madeline Allbright, thought she was a good lady to call America's attention to the atrocities and war crimes of Saddam Hussein, she just couldn't convince her boss over his Commie wife's protests that he should do something about Iraq that was so severe Hussein would be emasculated. Bombing the empty aspirin factor had just the opposite effect, but I'm not faulting any one person for not knowing that in advance. The people who know these kind of things are called Generals, and the military men were all but ignored, which is a crying shame.

That's why we should put stronger men into the office of presidency, and not philanderers and treasury-ambitious targeters of taxpayers' hard-earned moneys that should go to America's defense, while Americans are encouraged to become productive citizens and not sponges.
 
EXACTLY what was the threat from Iraq?

We declared war on terrorists. Sadam was himself a terrorist aiding and abetting terrorist groups with the money from his oil fields. He had chemical weapons. What part of that did you miss?
Did you miss this part?

"In 1987, the U.S. became directly involved in the (Iran-Iraq) war on Iraq's side by protecting the passage of Kuwaiti tankers with a major military presence in the Persian Gulf.

"Some U.S.-escorted, Kuwait tankers carried Iraqi oil while Iraqi planes attacked Iranian tankers.

"The U.S. sank Iranian patrol ships and destroyed their oil platforms.

"In 1987, Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. became commander of the U.S. Central Command. He had a unique background for the assignment.20 In the 1953, his father assisted in the CIA's coup in Iran.

"When the Iran-Iraq War ended in 1988, U.S. war contingency plans made Iraq the enemy.21

"In January 1990, CIA Director William Webster testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on growing Western dependency on Middle East oil.22

"In February, Schwarzkopf told the committee that the U.S. should increase its military presence in the region and described new intervention plans.23

"In 1990, the U.S. conducted at least four war games directed at Iraq, some premised on an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

"The U.S. wanted a new war in the Middle East: the Pentagon, to maintain its tremendous budget; arms industries, to feed their Middle East and U.S. military contracts; oil companies, for increased profits; and the Bush administration, which saw the USSR's disintegration as a chance to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East to control of its oil resources.

"The challenge was to force Iraq, a country more interested in rebuilding than expansion, to take action that would justify U.S. military intervention.

"To create this crisis, the U.S. invoked its special relationship with the Kuwait.

"In his book Hidden Agenda Behind the Gulf War, Pierre Salinger observed that Kuwait drastically increase oil production one day after the Iran-Iraq ceasefire."

1958

What I missed was:
Whatever point you were trying to make
Why you thought your post had anything to do with the topic
And what makes you think you have the right to disrespect our fallen
You seem to think Saddam was a terrorist who posed a threat to the US.
He never posed as great a threat to this country as those who get rich from wars and the private debt war requires.
If you're serious about respecting the fallen, make sure they didn't die in vain.
War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935
 
Did you miss this part?

"In 1987, the U.S. became directly involved in the (Iran-Iraq) war on Iraq's side by protecting the passage of Kuwaiti tankers with a major military presence in the Persian Gulf.

"Some U.S.-escorted, Kuwait tankers carried Iraqi oil while Iraqi planes attacked Iranian tankers.

"The U.S. sank Iranian patrol ships and destroyed their oil platforms.

"In 1987, Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. became commander of the U.S. Central Command. He had a unique background for the assignment.20 In the 1953, his father assisted in the CIA's coup in Iran.

"When the Iran-Iraq War ended in 1988, U.S. war contingency plans made Iraq the enemy.21

"In January 1990, CIA Director William Webster testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on growing Western dependency on Middle East oil.22

"In February, Schwarzkopf told the committee that the U.S. should increase its military presence in the region and described new intervention plans.23

"In 1990, the U.S. conducted at least four war games directed at Iraq, some premised on an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

"The U.S. wanted a new war in the Middle East: the Pentagon, to maintain its tremendous budget; arms industries, to feed their Middle East and U.S. military contracts; oil companies, for increased profits; and the Bush administration, which saw the USSR's disintegration as a chance to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East to control of its oil resources.

"The challenge was to force Iraq, a country more interested in rebuilding than expansion, to take action that would justify U.S. military intervention.

"To create this crisis, the U.S. invoked its special relationship with the Kuwait.

"In his book Hidden Agenda Behind the Gulf War, Pierre Salinger observed that Kuwait drastically increase oil production one day after the Iran-Iraq ceasefire."

1958

What I missed was:
Whatever point you were trying to make
Why you thought your post had anything to do with the topic
And what makes you think you have the right to disrespect our fallen
You seem to think Saddam was a terrorist who posed a threat to the US.
He never posed as great a threat to this country as those who get rich from wars and the private debt war requires.
If you're serious about respecting the fallen, make sure they didn't die in vain.
War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

And you remain off topic. This is notabout politics. Not yours. Not mine. Nor anyone else's.
 
And the lies continue.

NOBODY could have died in Iraq or Afghanistan since January, 2009 when all the Americans were brought home exactly as PROMISED in all those marvelous campaign speeches.

Weren't they?????
 
EXACTLY what was the threat from Iraq?

We declared war on terrorists. Sadam was himself a terrorist aiding and abetting terrorist groups with the money from his oil fields. He had chemical weapons. What part of that did you miss?

where'd he get then chem weapons? :eusa_think: Oh! thats right :up: Reagan :)
 
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yep, it was basically a repub jobs program w/ a catch- the catch being that us servicemen died over there so that contractors could rake in taxpayer $$$

Iraq had ZERO to do w/ 9/11. THATS why Bush II/Cheney changed their reasons for invading 4+ times because the American people weren't buying it. Turns out- the American people were right.

Why?

Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War

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Why?

Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War

FOCUS | Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War

Who really won the Iraq war? Oil barons, big business and mercenaries

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk Iraq war winners were oil barons and mercenaries - Mirror Online
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Off topic and shameful disrespect.

"disrespect" is throwing more people's kids into a meat-grinder AFTER finding out the war-of-choice was unnecessary.
 
Why did we invade Iraq?

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Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

I learned in my early 20's this ideology was a myth, great theater and easy to get followers, but it is still a myth...

The fight for freedom is never in vain, never...

Blame W all you want, but it is clear our troops have a very deep respect for this man, Oblammer, not so much...
 
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Why did we invade Iraq?

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

Iraq worked to build a nuclear arsenal starting in the 1960s. At the behest of then-VP Saddam Hussein, the 1970s saw Iraq establish a nuclear weapons program through 1991. Following his ouster in Kuwait, Hussein was anything but truthful about his nuclear program. He vacillated between threatening allied powers that he was close to completion of his program and playing a shell game with the UN inspectors about his true state of nuclear readiness that he claimed he was working on every time the issue popped up. It is known that by 1991 Iraq had created a robust, covert program that included a complete, although untested, nuclear weapon design and roughly 36.3 kilograms of weapons useable HEU as research reactor fuel. Later on, it could not be established that Hussein actually had what he said he had. Some construed it as it never existed, while others construed that he had successfully hoodwinked the UN Inspectors. There is the possibility it is a state secret as a political device to control public opinion. I do not know.

At any rate, legally, when someone claims they are armed with a specific type of weapon, the person they fooled who retaliates is not responsible for the avaricious lie in thinking the truth was established by his testimony. Saddam made egregious claims he was unstoppable, which gave pause to his enemies. After his particularly egregious aggression to expatriate Kuwaitis for the oil he would gain in conquest was snuffed, his behaviors toward Americans were so unthinkable that Secretary of State Madeline Albright established in her State Department notes a considerable resource for those who wanted to know on the War Crimes of Saddam Hussein. They amounted to his regular political decimation of around 60,000 human lives off the face of the planet for daring to bar his aggressive tendencies.

He established rape rooms and put his bloodthirsty sons, Uday and Qusay in charge, who regularly took the families of his adversaries, and raped the women while the men watched, sometimes just killing the broken-hearted husband who'd just watch his wife raped and possibly maimed, and sometimes killing all of them in the most gruesome means possible, depending on his whim, no trials, either.

After his agreement to stop using WOMDs on the Kurds in Iraq, mass graves were still needed for those other means he used to take out his political adversaries, real and imagined.

Even so, I well recollect reports of his claims of having nukes well into the months following 9/11 and the particular horror of hearing how he was paying off families of homicidal maniac bombing and killing Israeli citizens with checks in the amount of $25,000, and if they got an American killed, the amount was increased to double that ($50,000.)

He said he had nukes, Madeline Albright's notes said he had nukes, he repeated it over and over, until, guess what. In addition to Interpol information and our own intelligence, all we could surmise was that not only did Saddam Hussein likely have nukes, he needed to stop the massive killing of neighbors and Iraqi citizens, because he wasn't satisfied until tens of thousands of people were murdered to sate his tyrannically insecure appetite that his own people did not love him. IOW, he was a madman and unworthy of ruling a country with 26,000,000 people living in it.

And due to his aggression against American citizens in his country and history of trying to assassinate prominent Americans, the lot fell onto the president at the time, President George W. Bush, who reluctantly went to the UN with the best information he had, delivered by Colin Powell, who apparently agreed enough with that information from information we had on Saddam dating back several blood-filled decades to do whatever it took to stop nukes from proliferating in the Middle East with all that talk of wiping people off the face of the map long preceding the nut Ahmadinejad of Iran who took up where Saddam Hussein left off, for approbation from other nutcases in the Middle East, not to mention a few in Washington using the entire war for political takeover of a schema to redistribute wealth in America, which would decimate our role as peace-through-strength measures.

I don't think we can exactly beat up on any one President for blocking America-haters in the world considering the alternative of a motivated-to-snuff-the-earth bunch led by an Ahmadinejad, who once held his foot on an American serviceman, shot him through the temple, and kicked him off an Airplane when Jimmy Carter was president (not blaming Carter for this atrocity, BTW).

I've lived the years through all of this as many of you have. The only difference is that I made copious notes of Madeline Allbright, thought she was a good lady to call America's attention to the atrocities and war crimes of Saddam Hussein, she just couldn't convince her boss over his Commie wife's protests that he should do something about Iraq that was so severe Hussein would be emasculated. Bombing the empty aspirin factor had just the opposite effect, but I'm not faulting any one person for not knowing that in advance. The people who know these kind of things are called Generals, and the military men were all but ignored, which is a crying shame.

That's why we should put stronger men into the office of presidency, and not philanderers and treasury-ambitious targeters of taxpayers' hard-earned moneys that should go to America's defense, while Americans are encouraged to become productive citizens and not sponges.

You are the most brazen military industrial complex fluffer on the board and you haven't even served. :eusa_eh: I thought Texans were AGAINST crony capitalism (see Halliburton & BlackWater)
 
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What I missed was:
Whatever point you were trying to make
Why you thought your post had anything to do with the topic
And what makes you think you have the right to disrespect our fallen
You seem to think Saddam was a terrorist who posed a threat to the US.
He never posed as great a threat to this country as those who get rich from wars and the private debt war requires.
If you're serious about respecting the fallen, make sure they didn't die in vain.
War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

And you remain off topic. This is notabout politics. Not yours. Not mine. Nor anyone else's.
Who made you the decider?
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq.
If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.
 
Why?

Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War

FOCUS | Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War

Who really won the Iraq war? Oil barons, big business and mercenaries

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk Iraq war winners were oil barons and mercenaries - Mirror Online
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

Off topic and shameful disrespect.
The truth can't be disrespectful.
 
What do you mean vets have to fight for every crumb?????
Obama has been President for 5 years...he hasn't fixed this???

That's the fun part. Obama is the bestest, most competentest, president evah, but he can't fix anything that Bush screwed up.
 

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