Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”

“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”

“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”

“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”

Some things are just worth repeating.

It also coincided with the century of Space Exploration ... Probably connected to Computers, Advanced Medicine and the progression of Liberal Sciences as well.

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You are not a veteran. Veterans do not speak to women the way you speak to me on this forum. You are nothing but an asswipe.

agreed

If someone says they are a veteran, I take them at their word. Whether or not they are telling the truth is not for me to decide. Republicans pretending to be human is worse than someone pretending to be a veteran. Democrats want to help veterans. Republicans want to crush veterans. How many times on this board have right wingers said, "You enlisted, you knew what you were getting into"?

Beside, for a real veteran, if they hear another describe their military experience, it's really easy to spot the fakes. I think that's why so few claim to be veterans who aren't.

agreed ;)
 
You really think 5 years is long enough to fix what has been wrong since before WWII?

He's good but, believe it or not, he's not a god.

Baja Democrats - News & events of AZ Democratis, with emphazsis on Southern Arizona Democrats

One million Vets wait for care – A National Disgrace

... For example, in 2010 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki announced that three diseases — ischemic heart disease, Parkinson’s disease and b-cell leukemia — would be considered the result of Agent Orange exposure for veterans who served in Vietnam. More than 240,000 claims for those diseases have been filed since that announcement. ...

... the VA spent 4 years and $537 million on a new computer to streamline the claims process. It was less than a resounding success; 97% of veteran’s claims are still filed on paper, and that’s the single biggest reason that stands out for the backlog – they VA is literally being buried in a mountain of paperwork....

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That [photo above] the mountain of paperwork at the Winston-Salem NC VA office, the weight of all that paperwork compromised the structural integrity of the building – they were worried the floor would collapse.

Quit blaming President Obama for everything. Its childish and counter-productive.


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I guess Obama quit blaming everything on Bush.

Now he blames everything on Fox News or the Tea Party .

That's so friggen childish......
 
Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]

Obama took out Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and tried to take down Syria.

So who's calling the shots?

Seems to me the same people that were in Washington during the Bush years. Was Bush smart enough to know who?
 
You all know I'm a 22+ years vet. So, this may come as a surprise - I totally agree with Ron Paul that we have no business involving ourselves in the internal conflicts of other counties. We were wrong to get involved in Vietnam and could've avoided it if only we'd treated Ho Chi Minh correcting during WII. We have no business in Kosovo, Croatia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. We certainly have no business getting involved in Africa - which out Bumbler-in-Chief is getting us into.
We were ATTACKED by Afghanistan, that was a justifiable war, however, the war in Iraq, Libya, Somolia, KOSOVO (esp), Vietnam and Korea (however, if we didn't help Korea we would have had a communist Korean Pennisula and not the great capitalist experiment of South Korea). But there are military incursions that are necessary. Grenda wasn't a bad one, we need to capture a state run drug kingpin. Nation building NEVER works. That is why the war in Afghanistan is turning south, that is why Vietnam didn't work. That is why no African operations ever came to fruition. Etc.

I also believe we should stop all foreign military aid. If countries want to obtain our military equipment, let them pay for them out of their own funds.

Spend all that money to defend our own borders and use it to deal with many of the problems we face here in the USA.
The foreign aid budget (which includes the VAST contributions to the UN) is less than 0.5% of the federal budget, so it's not making or breaking us. The majority of foreign aid is for humanitarian causes, such as help have natural disasters or to fight AIDS in Africa (which has been VERY successful). With the military aid, it allows us to influence governments without invading them. See Egypt for example. They have been cooperative with us, even though they HATE our government and KING. Pakistan might have been assholic on Bin Laden, but they have been cooperative with us. I mean name a country that would allow drone strikes within their borders? Not many!

As long as foreign aid never goes about the 0.5% of the budget, I am good with that!
 
We were ATTACKED by Afghanistan, that was a justifiable war,
No you weren't America Attacked Afganistan
The War in Afghanistan (2001–present) refers to the intervention by NATO and allied forces in the ongoing Afghan civil war, following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, to dismantle the al-Qaeda terrorist organization and to remove from power the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban government, which at the time controlled 90% of Afghanistan) and hosted al-Qaeda leadership. U.S. President George W. Bush demanded that the Taliban hand over Osama bin Laden and expel the al-Qaeda network which was supporting the Taliban in its war with the Afghan Northern Alliance. The Taliban recommended that bin Laden leave the country but declined to extradite him without evidence of his involvement in the 9/11 attacks. The United States refused to negotiate and launched Operation Enduring Freedom on 7 October 2001 with the United Kingdom and later joined by other allies, to attack the Taliban and al-Qaeda forces in conjunction with the Northern Alliance
War in Afghanistan (2001?present) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]

Obama took out Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and tried to take down Syria.

So who's calling the shots?

Seems to me the same people that were in Washington during the Bush years. Was Bush smart enough to know who?
Meyer Rothschild said he didn't care who wrote the laws as long as he controlled the money; it appears to me the same people call the shots today regardless of who occupies the White House and Congress. Whoever they are, they seem hell-bent on redrawing the borders of the Middle East that we laid down nearly a hundred years ago by Sykes-Picot.
 
Former Sec of the Treasury under bush II also said that invading Iraq was priority #1 in the cheney/Bu$h II Admin. He sat in on Cabinet meetings so he would know. He was subsequently fired, no doubt, for questioning those budget-busting tax-cuts that Bu$h II signed into law.

O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11
In the book, O'Neill is quoted as saying he was surprised that no one in a National Security Council meeting asked why Iraq should be invaded.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" O'Neill said.
quelle surprise!!! NOT!!! Kristol, employed by Fox, was pushing-it for years as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. established in 1997 as a non-profit educational organization founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal is "to promote American global leadership."[1] Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."[2] With its members in numerous key administrative positions, the PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War

anyone know who "William Kristol" is?
 
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Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
I'm sorry that's your view of the Bush family. They're not that kind of people. I know that for sure.

Madeline Albright, Secretary of State under Bill Clinton, kept an online journal of Saddam Hussein's War Crimes. They started by observing events from the minute he took power in Iraq in a coup in which he had half the old parliament shot in the head for not kowtowing to him the minute he took power.

By contrast, President George W. Bush presented evidence he had against the regime that was backed up by Interpol and all other international agencies about Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity.

I regret those pages of Madeline Albright were removed, but they were taken out 6 months before the 2004 election for political reasons, so that the Democrats could paint President Bush as a warmonger.

Information was conveniently omitted from the entire web, with clued-in posters from DNC Party Headquarters all over the web calling all Republicans liars, particularly those of us who'd taken notes and recalled what Mrs. Albright said. It didn't all fit on one page, either.

Saddam Hussein averaged murdering 60,000 people a year in 24 years.

With all due respect, the Cradle of Civilization had a chance for peace after the war, but with a complete withdrawal of American forces, AlQaeda is almost completely in charge, and history is sure to repeat itself, because support was withdrawn by the current executive branch based on the withdrawal of troops. Democrat Secretary of State Madeline Albright's wise words and admonitions to this nation and to the community of nations that supported right being done in Iraq by removing Saddam Hussein from power were the truism that caused our people to look into Saddam's involvement in beating up on Americans for beating him back in Kuwait.

The attempted murder of a United States President used to be an item of national worry and sympathy toward the family. Instead, the Press, driven by delusions of how wealth redistributions would cure the world's ills, supported the brazen humiliation of Republicans and conservatives over following the source of a lot of middle east problems to Iraq.

Saddam received a thousand or so Al Qaeda into Iraq the night Afghanistan's Taliban was ousted by American troops. He created training camps for them and R&R carte blanche for these trained homicidal maniacs. He sent a lot of Jumbo Jets into Kabul to transport those defeated warriors to Baghdad in the middle of the night. He had his finger in every hurt-America pie. It wasn't only about President George H.W. Bush's attempted assassination by Saddam Hussein henchmen. It was about our troops taking a licking on account of Saddam Hussein's classic $25,000 checks to families of killers of Jews and $50,000 checks for killers of Americans.

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Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]

Obama took out Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and tried to take down Syria.

So who's calling the shots?

Seems to me the same people that were in Washington during the Bush years. Was Bush smart enough to know who?

Obama attacked Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria? I didn't know.
 
Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
I'm sorry that's your view of the Bush family. They're not that kind of people. I know that for sure.

Madeline Albright, Secretary of State under Bill Clinton, kept an online journal of Saddam Hussein's War Crimes. They started by observing events from the minute he took power in Iraq in a coup in which he had half the old parliament shot in the head for not kowtowing to him the minute he took power.

By contrast, President George W. Bush presented evidence he had against the regime that was backed up by Interpol and all other international agencies about Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity.

I regret those pages of Madeline Albright were removed, but they were taken out 6 months before the 2004 election for political reasons, so that the Democrats could paint President Bush as a warmonger.

Information was conveniently omitted from the entire web, with clued-in posters from DNC Party Headquarters all over the web calling all Republicans liars, particularly those of us who'd taken notes and recalled what Mrs. Albright said. It didn't all fit on one page, either.

Saddam Hussein averaged murdering 60,000 people a year in 24 years.

With all due respect, the Cradle of Civilization had a chance for peace after the war, but with a complete withdrawal of American forces, AlQaeda is almost completely in charge, and history is sure to repeat itself, because support was withdrawn by the current executive branch based on the withdrawal of troops. Democrat Secretary of State Madeline Albright's wise words and admonitions to this nation and to the community of nations that supported right being done in Iraq by removing Saddam Hussein from power were the truism that caused our people to look into Saddam's involvement in beating up on Americans for beating him back in Kuwait.

The attempted murder of a United States President used to be an item of national worry and sympathy toward the family. Instead, the Press, driven by delusions of how wealth redistributions would cure the world's ills, supported the brazen humiliation of Republicans and conservatives over following the source of a lot of middle east problems to Iraq.

Saddam received a thousand or so Al Qaeda into Iraq the night Afghanistan's Taliban was ousted by American troops. He created training camps for them and R&R carte blanche for these trained homicidal maniacs. He sent a lot of Jumbo Jets into Kabul to transport those defeated warriors to Baghdad in the middle of the night. He had his finger in every hurt-America pie. It wasn't only about President George H.W. Bush's attempted assassination by Saddam Hussein henchmen. It was about our troops taking a licking on account of Saddam Hussein's classic $25,000 checks to families of killers of Jews and $50,000 checks for killers of Americans.

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That's is so ridiculous. Saddam was a dictator. al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that wanted total control. Only a complete moron would believe Saddam would invite such threatening and armed people into his country. Saddam and Bin Laden were bitter enemies. Where the **** do these idiots come up with such fabricated bullshit? Don't they know how to think? Trying so hard to manufacture a threat they end up looking like they just got pie in the face.

Bush Sr. was a WWII officer, former head of the CIA, vice president and president. He knew exactly how to handle Saddam. Too bad his son didn't ask for his advice. Tens of thousands of Americans would not be maimed or dead.
 
Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
I'm sorry that's your view of the Bush family. They're not that kind of people. I know that for sure.

Madeline Albright, Secretary of State under Bill Clinton, kept an online journal of Saddam Hussein's War Crimes. They started by observing events from the minute he took power in Iraq in a coup in which he had half the old parliament shot in the head for not kowtowing to him the minute he took power.

By contrast, President George W. Bush presented evidence he had against the regime that was backed up by Interpol and all other international agencies about Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity.

I regret those pages of Madeline Albright were removed, but they were taken out 6 months before the 2004 election for political reasons, so that the Democrats could paint President Bush as a warmonger.

Information was conveniently omitted from the entire web, with clued-in posters from DNC Party Headquarters all over the web calling all Republicans liars, particularly those of us who'd taken notes and recalled what Mrs. Albright said. It didn't all fit on one page, either.

Saddam Hussein averaged murdering 60,000 people a year in 24 years.

With all due respect, the Cradle of Civilization had a chance for peace after the war, but with a complete withdrawal of American forces, AlQaeda is almost completely in charge, and history is sure to repeat itself, because support was withdrawn by the current executive branch based on the withdrawal of troops. Democrat Secretary of State Madeline Albright's wise words and admonitions to this nation and to the community of nations that supported right being done in Iraq by removing Saddam Hussein from power were the truism that caused our people to look into Saddam's involvement in beating up on Americans for beating him back in Kuwait.

The attempted murder of a United States President used to be an item of national worry and sympathy toward the family. Instead, the Press, driven by delusions of how wealth redistributions would cure the world's ills, supported the brazen humiliation of Republicans and conservatives over following the source of a lot of middle east problems to Iraq.

Saddam received a thousand or so Al Qaeda into Iraq the night Afghanistan's Taliban was ousted by American troops. He created training camps for them and R&R carte blanche for these trained homicidal maniacs. He sent a lot of Jumbo Jets into Kabul to transport those defeated warriors to Baghdad in the middle of the night. He had his finger in every hurt-America pie. It wasn't only about President George H.W. Bush's attempted assassination by Saddam Hussein henchmen. It was about our troops taking a licking on account of Saddam Hussein's classic $25,000 checks to families of killers of Jews and $50,000 checks for killers of Americans.

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That's is so ridiculous. Saddam was a dictator. al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that wanted total control. Only a complete moron would believe Saddam would invite such threatening and armed people into his country. Saddam and Bin Laden were bitter enemies. Where the **** do these idiots come up with such fabricated bullshit? Don't they know how to think? Trying so hard to manufacture a threat they end up looking like they just got pie in the face.

Bush Sr. was a WWII officer, former head of the CIA, vice president and president. He knew exactly how to handle Saddam. Too bad his son didn't ask for his advice. Tens of thousands of Americans would not be maimed or dead.

yep. becki is either being dishonest or she's clueless. I think she is obviously one of those "America right or wrong" crowd. Wars have been about enriching those involved w/ the Pentagon (Big defense contractors) for decades now. They, in turn make compaign donations & promises of future employment to the Repubs.

Saddam was a Bathist. that means he was an Arab Socialist :eusa_shhh: . He, therefore had no need or want for jihadists (religiously fueled activists) They arrived on the scene AFTER the instability caused by Bush II's optional invasion.
 
From April of 2003

"Ex-U.S. Official Says CIA Aided Baathists
CIA offers no comment on Iraq coup allegations
by David Morgan

"PHILADELPHIA�If the United States succeeds in shepherding the creation of a post-war Iraqi government, a former National Security Council official says, it won't be the first time that Washington has played a primary role in changing that country's rulers.

"Roger Morris, a former State Department foreign service officer who was on the NSC staff during the Johnson and Nixon administrations, says the CIA had a hand in two coups in Iraq during the darkest days of the Cold War, including a 1968 putsch that set Saddam Hussein firmly on the path to power.

"Morris says that in 1963, two years after the ill-fated U.S. attempt at overthrow in Cuba known as the Bay of Pigs, the CIA helped organize a bloody coup in Iraq that deposed the Soviet-leaning government of Gen. Abdel-Karim Kassem.

"This takes you down a longer, darker road in terms of American culpability ....

"'As in Iran in '53, it was mostly American money and even American involvement on the ground,' says Morris, referring to a U.S.-backed coup that brought the return of the shah to neighbouring Iran.

"Kassem, who had allowed communists to hold positions of responsibility in his government, was machine-gunned to death.

"And the country wound up in the hands of the Baath party.

"At the time, Morris continues, Saddam was a Baath operative studying law in Cairo, one of the venues the CIA chose to plan the coup.

"In fact, he claims the former Iraqi president castigated by President George W. Bush as one of history's most 'brutal dictators' was actually on the CIA payroll in those days.

"'There's no question,' Morris says. 'It was there in Cairo that (Saddam) and others were first contacted by the agency.'"

CIA spokesman deny Saddam was ever on their payroll, but whether or not that is true or false, his party would never have come to rule Iraq without US support nor would Saddam have been able to commit many of his terrorist acts without help from DC.

"The United States and other Western powers supported Saddam's regime during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, even after the Baghdad government used chemical weapons to kill thousands of Kurdish villagers in Halabja.

"The 1988 atrocity recently was a cornerstone of U.S. justifications for its war to topple Saddam's regime.

"Before war broke out last month, a flurry of U.S. headlines also called attention to reports that pathogens used by Iraq for its biological warfare program came from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a private Manassas, Va.-based biological samples repository called the American Type Culture Collection.

"Officials at the two institutions said shipments of anthrax, West Nile virus, botulinum toxins and other pathogens were sent to Iraq in the 1980s with U.S. commerce department approval for medical research purposes.

"Even Iraq's alleged nuclear weapons program, which U.S. officials said was on the verge of producing a nuclear bomb last year, got under way with help from a 1950s Eisenhower administration program to share the peaceful benefits of nuclear energy called 'Atoms for Peace.'"

Ex-U.S. Official Says CIA Aided Baathists
 
Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.
I'm sorry that's your view of the Bush family. They're not that kind of people. I know that for sure.

Madeline Albright, Secretary of State under Bill Clinton, kept an online journal of Saddam Hussein's War Crimes. They started by observing events from the minute he took power in Iraq in a coup in which he had half the old parliament shot in the head for not kowtowing to him the minute he took power.

By contrast, President George W. Bush presented evidence he had against the regime that was backed up by Interpol and all other international agencies about Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity.

I regret those pages of Madeline Albright were removed, but they were taken out 6 months before the 2004 election for political reasons, so that the Democrats could paint President Bush as a warmonger.

Information was conveniently omitted from the entire web, with clued-in posters from DNC Party Headquarters all over the web calling all Republicans liars, particularly those of us who'd taken notes and recalled what Mrs. Albright said. It didn't all fit on one page, either.

Saddam Hussein averaged murdering 60,000 people a year in 24 years.

With all due respect, the Cradle of Civilization had a chance for peace after the war, but with a complete withdrawal of American forces, AlQaeda is almost completely in charge, and history is sure to repeat itself, because support was withdrawn by the current executive branch based on the withdrawal of troops. Democrat Secretary of State Madeline Albright's wise words and admonitions to this nation and to the community of nations that supported right being done in Iraq by removing Saddam Hussein from power were the truism that caused our people to look into Saddam's involvement in beating up on Americans for beating him back in Kuwait.

The attempted murder of a United States President used to be an item of national worry and sympathy toward the family. Instead, the Press, driven by delusions of how wealth redistributions would cure the world's ills, supported the brazen humiliation of Republicans and conservatives over following the source of a lot of middle east problems to Iraq.

Saddam received a thousand or so Al Qaeda into Iraq the night Afghanistan's Taliban was ousted by American troops. He created training camps for them and R&R carte blanche for these trained homicidal maniacs. He sent a lot of Jumbo Jets into Kabul to transport those defeated warriors to Baghdad in the middle of the night. He had his finger in every hurt-America pie. It wasn't only about President George H.W. Bush's attempted assassination by Saddam Hussein henchmen. It was about our troops taking a licking on account of Saddam Hussein's classic $25,000 checks to families of killers of Jews and $50,000 checks for killers of Americans.

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link?

AND

plenty of countries commit atrocities. China & North Korea come to mind. Were they invaded by the U.S. as well? :eusa_whistle: :doubt:

LogicFAIL becki :eusa_hand: (for partisan reasons no doubt :eusa_shhh: )

You want to be the policeman of the world? Be nation building? Who is going to pay for it? You? :rofl: You want your taxes raised not to mention having 20-30-somethings lives shattered & for what? Don't even think you'll cut spending when doing that either lol

The reasons for that vietraq were changed 3+ times when the American people didn't buy what Bush II/Cheney/Kristol & the neocons were selling

Put down the Fox brown acid becki :eusa_hand:
 
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Do you think Bush was good or evil?

I don't believe in "good" or "evil". Those are religious constructs.

I DO believe that Kristol (currently employed at Fox News[AKA- "GOP TV"]) he was the founder of the PNAC (ever heard of it?) Here: PNAC Kristol & the neocons (Perleman, Feith, Abrahms, Cheney, etc...) goaded him into invading both for israel & to line people's pockets like Halliburton (a huge multinational company who had previously employed Cheney)

This is one reason Bush II & Cheney had a falling-out at the end of his Presidency because he knew he was misled by those fuctards- "The war will pay for itself" & "We'll be greeted as liberators" :eusa_liar:
 
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This is one reason Bush II & Cheney had a falling-out at the end of his Presidency because he knew he was misled by those fuctards-

You got that right shit-breath...

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 
and yet they were smart enough NOT to start a ground war in the ME. The next Admin.? Not so much.

I was over there in '88-89 while you will still a boot. :thup:
 
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