Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[daveman]

then you are saying only he can be deemed Lucifer (the son of perdition)

No, I am not. And there is no way to interpret what I said as meaning that lunacy.

 

[HaShev]

No, I am not. And there is no way to interpret what I said as meaning that lunacy.

so you can't put 2+2 together, well that explains being deceived.
If the only prophet ever deemed sinless (aka perfect) is Jesus, then only Jesus can fulfill being Lucifer who'd be the only one deemed perfect while being called the christ nazarene (anointed Cherub) -Ezekiel 28:14-15
There is nobody else called Christ Nazarene nobody else called perfect.
Put 2 +2 together it's not rocket science.
By the way you just called Jesus and the NT writers -"Lunacy" because at the end of the punchline Jesus claims himself Lucifer (the morning star Baal's son) in Rev 22:16.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There has never been a question about the gender of the "Son of God". There has neve been any reference to ambiguous sexuality. To all that has been written Jesus would likely be asexual.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It was pertinant to the topic proving the many figures are mentioned but once again earliest copies have no mention of the compiled figure given a new GREEK name.

Well, I'm sure a lot of other people said a lot of things. There no telling how many other volumes are out there that have differing stories. Doesn't mean they are verifiable.

 

[daveman]

so you can't put 2+2 together, well that explains being deceived.
If the only prophet ever deemed sinless (aka perfect) is Jesus, then only Jesus can fulfill being Lucifer who'd be the only one deemed perfect while being called the christ nazarene (anointed Cherub) -Ezekiel 28:14-15
There is nobody else called Christ Nazarene nobody else called perfect.
Put 2 +2 together it's not rocket science.
By the way you just called Jesus and the NT writers -"Lunacy" because at the end of the punchline Jesus claims himself Lucifer (the morning star Baal's son) in Rev 22:16.

There is something seriously wrong with you. You've let Satan into your heart.

 

[shimon]

If you attack a rival religion, you're a religious nutjob.

I see so where does that put Christianity and by extension all Christians that have done so for two millennium

 

[shimon]

Your 8-8 sign will be Feb 28th

Should be interesting and enlightening I am sure…

 

[shimon]

There has never been a question about the gender of the "Son of God". There has neve been any reference to ambiguous sexuality. To all that has been written Jesus would likely be asexual.

It depends if your interpretation is the pagan son of god for example the Greek gods were notorious for impregnating woman or so those woman used those excuses so the wouldn’t be labeled bad woman, stoned or sent away or shame brought on their families… The Jewish concept of Son of G-d was completely different concept which the Roman and Greek scribes got completely wrong and they pushed that in the New Testament because of their silly errors…For example my name in Hebrew is Shimon Favel Ben Chaim which means He who hears or is heard son of G-d not to betaken literally but someone who acts in a Gdly fashion… David and many others were considered sons of G-d by how they acted or behaved and Israelis exodus is mentioned as Gds son as well..

 

[Meriweather]

like the Roman commissioned NT does to the Jews?
If there were historical records you'd have named them. The NT self testimony doesn't count because once again they are PROVEN combining characters from various eras.
Example: Lysanias died in 35bc, King Herod 4bc, so how could Jesus be in the Pilate era yet in the Lysanias era. They already had to fudge his birth back 6 years to fit some of king Herod accounts but missed the mark because of the known census dating.
The widows mite coin is a Jannaeus Alexander coin 100bc.
The passover stoning slaying and hanged on tree is too rare someone is sentenced on a holy holiday the description and day shows up as the 100bc Yeshu son of Mary a far cry from the AD era christ who was crucified for his revolt.
NT says he was slew & hanged
Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew (stoned)and hanged on a tree" Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree" Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree" 1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree" Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deuteronomy 21:22.

The only hanged christ at passover, was Yeshu of 100bc.

Lastly the false placement of Jesus into fulfilling Zech 12:10 is an admission because there's 2 people confused for each other: they'd miss treat one but
they'd mourn for another is speaking of 2 people confused for each other not a singular person.

Again, I think you know better. If not, it's a truly poor presentation of research available.

1. The New Testament was being circulated long before the supposed "commission" by the Romans.
2. As you must know, there is evidence pointing to a younger Lysanias, in fact there could have been more than that as It seems to have been a popular name. Historical data on the name of who was in charge at this time is scant.
3. The widow's mite was still widely used in Judea during the first century, even if it was no longer being minted.
4. You must know that only the King James version uses 'slew' and even so, the Jewish word for 'slew' is also used for kill. For example, the Commandment says, Do not kill. It does not say, "Do not stone." Other translations use the word 'kill' in Acts 5:30.
5. As you are familiar with Deuteronomy 21:22, I believe you are familiar with Deuteronomy 27:26 and intentionally skipped it. Paul is pointing out that Deuteronomy notes, Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. Paul's point, which I am almost positive you understood is that Christ ransomed us from this curse of the Law by becoming accursed. Keep in mind Jesus was without sin, so the only way he could have joined in the curse placed on mankind by not obeying the Law is by being hung on a tree.
   
6. Yeshu of 100 BC - Seriously, now you are quoting an account written in the tenth century, a thousand years after Christ?
7. Zechariah 12:10 references one who is "thrust through" (with a sword or knife). Christians know Jesus met this fate. In Judaism there are a couple of theories as to whom Zechariah may have been referencing. One is Messiah ben Yosef who lived before David; the second is that Zechariah's prophecy was referencing the Jewish nation/people as a whole.

Note all of the above can be verified by non-Christian sources. As a former reporter, I like it being confirmed by at least three sources, so I did a quick look again tonight.

 

[HaShev]

There has never been a question about the gender of the "Son of God". There has neve been any reference to ambiguous sexuality. To all that has been written Jesus would likely be asexual.

which god? If Yhwh had David as his begotten son
and Solomon was called a son of God as well then how can Jesus be deemed "only" bwgotten unless it was another Father.
He can't be Yhwh's son, who in
Psalm 2:27 David is called God's Begotten Son.
So who's the daddy? He/they speaking for him tells you at the end:Rev:16 the morning star is Baal's son-look it up.
Baal's cross is the sun symbol behind the cross. Baal's birthday is Dec 25th the Baal death scene passion play was found dating back past 900bc as is used exactly for the Jesus death scene including the 3 day risen. Hence called father and son as one(and the same mythology). Even Baal's father who was Dagon the fishman god is seen in today's church from the fishman god ring the pope wears to the fishead hat mitre and fish scale design on their robes.

 

[HaShev]

Well, I'm sure a lot of other people said a lot of things. There no telling how many other volumes are out there that have differing stories. Doesn't mean they are verifiable.

Once again, but using your own point:
Constantine and known liar forger Eusebius compile the texts of the NT which are not written by any of the dead apostles attributed to them, & which is "not the Bible".

 

[HaShev]

There is something seriously wrong with you. You've let Satan into your heart.

that's not a refutation nor viable answer to your mistake nor deflection, that's an ad hominem reply. When they warned everyone would be deceived why would you in the majority think this would not be you?=answer: human ego- rules for theee but not for me.....

 

[HaShev]

Again, I think you know better. If not, it's a truly poor presentation of research available.

1. The New Testament was being circulated long before the supposed "commission" by the Romans.
2. As you must know, there is evidence pointing to a younger Lysanias, in fact there could have been more than that as It seems to have been a popular name. Historical data on the name of who was in charge at this time is scant.
3. The widow's mite was still widely used in Judea during the first century, even if it was no longer being minted.
4. You must know that only the King James version uses 'slew' and even so, the Jewish word for 'slew' is also used for kill. For example, the Commandment says, Do not kill. It does not say, "Do not stone." Other translations use the word 'kill' in Acts 5:30.
5. As you are familiar with Deuteronomy 21:22, I believe you are familiar with Deuteronomy 27:26 and intentionally skipped it. Paul is pointing out that Deuteronomy notes, Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. Paul's point, which I am almost positive you understood is that Christ ransomed us from this curse of the Law by becoming accursed. Keep in mind Jesus was without sin, so the only way he could have joined in the curse placed on mankind by not obeying the Law is by being hung on a tree.
6. Yeshu of 100 BC - Seriously, now you are quoting an account written in the tenth century, a thousand years after Christ?
7. Zechariah 12:10 references one who is "thrust through" (with a sword or knife). Christians know Jesus met this fate. In Judaism there are a couple of theories as to whom Zechariah may have been referencing. One is Messiah ben Yosef who lived before David; the second is that Zechariah's prophecy was referencing the Jewish nation/people as a whole.

Note all of the above can be verified by non-Christian sources. As a former reporter, I like it being confirmed by at least three sources, so I did a quick look again tonight.

1)the surviving ancestors of followers of John became the Sabean Mandeans forbid the texts written by a wicked woman, they also claim Jesus the wicked one for having John killed to take his flock.
When you say the texts were written before the commission it's because most of it's plagiarized ftom existing texts and stories. With all kinds of theories from Q to Apollonius of Tyana to this wicked woman.
2) where do you get a younger Lysanias from? It's specific to which Lysanias,
Lysanias was the ruler of a tetrarchy, centered on the town of Abilene.
This Lysanias was the son of Ptolemy Mennaeus, the ruler of an independent state, of which Abilene formed only a small portion.
3) the widows mite was a Janneaus Alexander coin, by Herod's time coins were fractioned (cut) in pieces and were not deemed widows mite , it's clearly a time period clue because ONLYVTHE 100BC PERIOD CHRIST DIED BY stoning HANGING ON A TREE ON PASSOVER, no other christs fit the description.
Nt in Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24. On Passover is in Mark and John I believe, with slight conflicting accts..
You needed to take it out of context for a smokescreen selective recognition argument to avoid the only logical conclusion.
4)slew was a word used for stoning, as the action requires to the slew of stones/rocks aka "violent onslaught of MANY stones."
5)is why the world is a mess through it's free get away with sin card it caries in that really bad ideology.
6) it's not 10th century and Rabbis were accurately accounted for thus dating become more accurate that the idiots who confused Theudas dying in 35ad as dying before Yehuda who died in 6bc.
DID YOU KNOW Jannaeus' wife was named Salome and was a friend and follower of Yeshu? That dates the character, she reinstated Shimon
ben Shetach as head priest (=Shimon Peter becomes the head of the church).
Even the story of Judas weeping comes from a Yehuda at his time period (friend of Shimon) who felt guilty for sending a law violator to his death-sound familiar?
7) read the Tanakh it says because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], not that he was. Also if you had it your way you'd be describing Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12-14 especially when Zech 12:10 (not messianic) describes bitterness ( liken to wormwood from the fallen star [messenger]).

We'll stop at Sheva then.

 

[there4eyeM]

Is it possible to have a "serious intellectual conversation" about absurdities? A discussion, perhaps, but certainly not serious.

 

[ding]

yes all 3 christs, all church elect were using your standard-that includes you but you seem to enjoy the Nhilist idea of rules for thee but not for me.
Who should be the next pope?
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You embrace the form of religion over the spirit of God.

 

[ding]

I see so where does that put Christianity and by extension all Christians that have done so for two millennium

Every person is accountable for their self.

 

[irosie91]

You embrace the form of religion over the spirit of God.

----"SPIRIT" ignore the trite stupidity and self aggrandizing
aspects of the "religion" the king chose to impose on you----just concentrate on the "SPIRIT" uhm--be loyal to the
DIVINELY CHOSEN KING and most of all PAY THE TAXES

 

[ding]

----"SPIRIT" ignore the trite stupidity and self aggrandizing
aspects of the "religion" the king chose to impose on you----just concentrate on the "SPIRIT" uhm--be loyal to the
DIVINELY CHOSEN KING and most of all PAY THE TAXES

The Semitically originated religions emerge as exceptional in insisting that human beings are ineradicably body as well as spirit and that this coupling is not a liability.

 

[irosie91]

The Semitically originated religions emerge as exceptional in insisting that human beings are ineradicably body as well as spirit and that this coupling is not a liability.

it is not clear to me that the combo----spirit and body ---
as a concept---do not characterize just about all "religions" with some exceptional cases being Christianity and Islam which confine the spiritual moiety to "believers". Spirit is prominent in many "other" religions-----eg--hinduism---"belief" being of lesser importance. The native american
religions conferred "spirit" even on inanimate 'things'

 

[ding]

Christianity and Islam which confine the spiritual moiety to "believers".

That's news to me.