Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

It was your people/leaders who murdered the prophets

Zechariah, son of Jehoiada, was murdered in the temple courtyard by being stoned to death on the order of King Joash
 
The same prophets you rejected and killed in their day?
see what you did right there?
You said I killed him, please explain how a man in this millennium could go back to 88bc, 6bc and 35ad to kill all your christs making up your fable Jesus?
You proved that the NT and fable teaches you to hate Rome's opponents. How convenient.
 
John the Baptist was beheaded by King Herod Antipas after being imprisoned for rebuking the king's marriage to his brother's wife, Herodias
 
Stoned by his own brethren

The Bible does not record how Jeremiah died, but traditions outside the biblical text suggest he was stoned to death by his fellow Jews in Egypt
 
John the Baptist was beheaded by King Herod Antipas after being imprisoned for rebuking the king's marriage to his brother's wife, Herodias
research the Mandeans a sect of Sabians, they are the survivors of the followers of John in which people followed first.
Learn what happened and who they claim Jesus was.
 
Stoned by his own brothers

Stephen's stoning was a biblical event, documented in the Book of Acts, where he was the first Christian martyr, stoned to death by a crowd incensed by his preaching. Accused of blasphemy
 
Then that christ was admittingly a female, because only females through turners syndrom sweat blood- yet look like men (example: that actress who played the principle in Kindergarden Cop, short stature (Jesus is listed as 4'6") .
The measure of his height which is as 15 palms and a half, is roughly
4 feet 6 inches.

Only females leave behind female skeletal remains unless you admit the church lies about relics to sell a bigger lie (fake good news stories).

Only females used the name Jesus in that period of time.
One near death experiencer named Kevin Zadai who is six foot one said that the Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who met with him and taught him during his 1992 brush with death, would have been about five ten or five eleven.

I just thought of another near death experiencer whose testimony might be encouraging to you?

[Near death experiencer.... Christian Andreason ] :

12. What about sexually diverse people?​

If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation … enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit … but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their souls to fall into darkness.



I remembered an even more relevant quotation related to your opening post, but I will add it in another post.
 
One near death experiencer named Kevin Zadai who is six foot one said that the Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who met with him and taught him during his 1992 brush with death, would have been about five ten or five eleven.

I just thought of another near death experiencer whose testimony might be encouraging to you?




I remembered an even more relevant quotation related to your opening post, but I will add it in another post.
The Shroud is another example, the Church selling a relic to make their myth seem real, even if you ignore the carbon dating, the shroud still is of someone over 6' when the avg person in that region and heritage was 5' back then. Also the only shroud the church claimed they possessed was of Yehuda.
 
The Shroud is another example, the Church selling a relic to make their myth seem real, even if you ignore the carbon dating, the shroud still is of someone over 6' when the avg person in that region and heritage was 5' back then. Also the only shroud the church claimed they possessed was of Yehuda.
Good points. Emotions tend to get high when people are defending their religious traditions.

I found that other quotation that you might find helpful in at least some ways. One near death experiencer was shown that both John the Baptist as well as Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were influenced by and even mentored through their childhood by the Essene Jewish community that might reminds us of the modern Breslovian Chassids who follow Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.

Although this is not directly in line with your OP you still might find this interesting because the near death experiencer reports hearing Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching the following:

"You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed. (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, The Thomas Book, Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus"





I guess my major point is that the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism as well as the modern research by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Walter Semkiw M. D. offer us possible answers to some troubling big questions.
 
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Good points. Emotions tend to get high when people are defending their religious traditions.

I found that other quotation that you might find helpful in at least some ways. One near death experiencer was shown that both John the Baptist as well as Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were influenced by and even mentored through their childhood by the Essene Jewish community that might reminds us of the modern Breslovian Chassids who follow Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.

Although this is not directly in line with your OP you still might find this interesting because the near death experiencer reports hearing Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching the following:








I guess my major point is that the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism as well as the modern research by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Walter Semkiw M. D. offer us possible answers to some troubling big questions.
Yeshu's mentor Rabbi Yohoshua Perachyah was fleeing Jannaeus Alexander's persecution of Pharisee during the Pharisee revolt, so most likely Yeshu was a Pharisee before fleeing with his Rabbi to Egypt.
But in coming back Yeshu was into forbidden teachings (Egyptian "underworld" cultism, magical rays of light- sun worship) and becoming a fraud necromancer.
Yeshu could have been taller than the norm because his father was Pantheras a Roman soldier and they were taller than Jews,
-5 feet 6 inches to 5 feet 9 inches (168-175 cm) tall. This is slightly taller than the average height of modern-day humans, which is around 5 feet 6 inches (168 cm) for men.
But note: Dr Michael Persinger did experiments to find out all those NDE were a result of lack of oxygen to the brain, and duplicated the exact same experiences in a lab.
Cultures which twist death & life often use the kingdom in death ideology to get unsuspected pawns to do the kings and kingdoms whims inluding dying for their king and authorities in order to gain a place in that mythical land called "underworld"=death cultism.
 
Good points. Emotions tend to get high when people are defending their religious traditions.

I found that other quotation that you might find helpful in at least some ways. One near death experiencer was shown that both John the Baptist as well as Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were influenced by and even mentored through their childhood by the Essene Jewish community that might reminds us of the modern Breslovian Chassids who follow Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.

Although this is not directly in line with your OP you still might find this interesting because the near death experiencer reports hearing Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching the following:








I guess my major point is that the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism as well as the modern research by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Walter Semkiw M. D. offer us possible answers to some troubling big questions.
By Yeshua, do you mean Jesus? Because he wasn’t a rabbi.
 
By Yeshua, do you mean Jesus? Because he wasn’t a rabbi.
Yes, Yeshua is the Hebrew pronunciation of his name in English, Jesus is the Greek pronunciation of his name in English.

Mary Magdalene called him Rabbonai.
"Rabboni" is a title of respect from the Aramaic language, meaning "my master" or "my teacher". It was used as a term of address for spiritual instructors and learned persons, particularly in a Jewish context.
 
Yes, Yeshua is the Hebrew pronunciation of his name in English, Jesus is the Greek pronunciation of his name in English.

Mary Magdalene called him Rabbonai.
that might have been the christs Yehuda the Galilean 6bc or Theudas bybthe Jordan 35ad both mentioned in Josephus and in Acts5?
Yeshu son of Mary is a 100bc character.
Jesus (IeSus) does not stem from Yeshu, it's from Esus the tri god, the image was from using at least these 3 christ figures, all which failed to liberate the people from Rome's control & subversion.
 
that might have been the christs Yehuda the Galilean 6bc or Theudas bybthe Jordan 35ad both mentioned in Josephus and in Acts5?
Yeshu son of Mary is a 100bc character.
Jesus (IeSus) does not stem from Yeshu, it's from Esus the tri god, the image was from using at least these 3 christ figures, all which failed to liberate the people from Rome's control & subversion.
Since the letter J was not introduced till the late 16 th century… Esus the triune god of the Gauls… the Jewish need for a messiah or redeemer , the Greek fables all of which were interwoven and sold to the masses to be all things to all peoples that the Roman hierarchy had under their control under their empire… Then these fables moved out into the rest of the world in the form of a book that conquered all… It was much cheaper and smarter to send out a few mercenaries in the form of religious men then to send out armies of men that had to be clothed , fed and looked after… Just brilliant and look how far and long this empire of deceptions has stood and how many it has conquered keeping people chained to these erroneous ideas… The Romans were brilliant tacticians to say the least and look at all the money and power and influence they ended up getting control of…
 
Since the letter J was not introduced till the late 16 th century… Esus the triune god of the Gauls… the Jewish need for a messiah or redeemer , the Greek fables all of which were interwoven and sold to the masses to be all things to all peoples that the Roman hierarchy had under their control under their empire… Then these fables moved out into the rest of the world in the form of a book that conquered all… It was much cheaper and smarter to send out a few mercenaries in the form of religious men then to send out armies of men that had to be clothed , fed and looked after… Just brilliant and look how far and long this empire of deceptions has stood and how many it has conquered keeping people chained to these erroneous ideas… The Romans were brilliant tacticians to say the least and look at all the money and power and influence they ended up getting control of…
and we as a nation mimicked the empire, sadly down to it's mistakes, which caused it's fall.
 
and we as a nation mimicked the empire, sadly down to it's mistakes, which caused it's fall.
You are not kidding it is not a coincidence that the capital of the country is in Maryland ( Mother of Jesus supposedly) Virginia( The Virgin) and the area of the capital is known as the DMV which is 1505 in Roman numerically values which is roughly how long it took to put together the 66 books of the New Testament which is some 1500 years…
 
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that might have been the christs Yehuda the Galilean 6bc or Theudas bybthe Jordan 35ad both mentioned in Josephus and in Acts5?
Yeshu son of Mary is a 100bc character.
Jesus (IeSus) does not stem from Yeshu, it's from Esus the tri god, the image was from using at least these 3 christ figures, all which failed to liberate the people from Rome's control & subversion.
I just ran into an article that I believe might be quite helpful to your search.

We humans usually get pretty much all of the major lessons of this life mixed up and confused.

1. Introduction to Sex and NDEs​

Across near-death experiences (NDEs), people often report shedding the limitations of the physical body and awakening as light, consciousness, or a sphere of love. In NDE states, sex and gender feel like earthly roles which are useful for life and learning, but not definitive of who we are. Many NDErs describe themselves as genderless or androgynous, and encounters with the Being of Light, spirit guides, angels, and even God are frequently perceived as beyond male or female, embodying qualities we might call both.

This theme appears in NDE research and firsthand testimonies alike: children and adults, LGBTQ and non-LGBTQ experiencers, mystics and physicians. NDE testimonies describe an inner essence that integrates what we label “masculine” and “feminine,” and some speak of a profound “soul merge” – an intimacy and union far deeper than physical sex. Other NDErs note that orgasm, meditation, or peak mental states can sometimes open doorways to NDE-like consciousness.

Christian de la Huerta wrote in his groundbreaking book, Coming Out Spiritually, that there was a time when gay people “… were the shamans, the healers, the visionaries, the mediators, the peacekeepers, the ‘people who walk between the worlds,’ the keepers of beauty.” (1999, p. 3).

Dr. Melvin Morse wrote in his 2001 book, “Transformed By The Light,” that “The NDEs that gays and lesbians report are powerful reminders that all human beings share a common truth: We will have NDEs when we die… Gay or straight, brown skin or white skin, or rich and poor alike, we will all have one when we die.”

 
the christ figure son of Mary of 100bc was a he, but what about the other 2-3 figures making up the image called Jesus?
Was 1 of them a woman? How would you know, if you didn't even know Jesus wasn't a singular historical figure?

Note: women in history have occasionally dressed as men to assume roles typically reserved for males (such as the Egyptian Pharaoh Hatshepsut) and Joan of Arc

Note: The followers of Yehuda the Galilean tax revolter Christ where called Yehudites, and the feminine for Yehuda is Yehudit (Judith)
Jesus is only one
 
You are not kidding it is not a coincidence that the capital of the country is in Maryland ( Mother of Jesus supposedly) Virginia( The Virgin) and the area of the capital is known as the DMV which is 1505 in Roman numerically values which is roughly how long it took to put together the 66 books of the New Testament which is some 1500 years…
why not coincidence?
 
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