Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

surprise, jesus himself was not a desert dweller, they taught the heavenly religion of antiquity - liberation theology, self determination - not the desert religions of servitude and denial.

your post sounds like the latter - the desert dwellers and their uninterrupted recorded histories throughout the ages of persecution and victimization of the innocent ...

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past and present - ever heard of netanyahu and the gaza genocide ... they claim not to try and harm the innocent which they are themselves a limitless supply using precision bombing at all times.
The figure the Roman church favored out of the 3 was the one who fled towards "Egypt" to avoid the Jannaeus (not Herod) persecutions during the Pharisee revolt. It's where he learned his underworld teachings (death worship) & maggis stunts.
 
Where are they getting this bitter wormwood from, such hatred in their replies?
Let's review the false claim that they are to love thy neighbor and are a religion of love (thousands of wars later they still teach this)
Jesus hated families (Luke 8:19-21,Luke 14:26,33,Luke 18:29-30, Matt 10:34-37), hated life (1 John 2:15-17) and this earth and mankind (2 Peter 3:10, Mat 10: 34-40 & Thomas 16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8), hated the Pharisee , hated Woman (1 Cor. 11, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 & all over the book of Thomas), hated his brethren (seen by what he caused to them), hated people with disabilities(Mark 9:14-19,Matt 9:32-33, 12:22 & Luke 11:14) hated gentiles (Matt15:26), hated his own chosen town of Capernaum (Mat.11:23), thus must not have Knoweth G-d according to 1John 4:8
 
you all attacking Jesus are so ignorant.
there was no Jesus, we are trying to discuss the men and or women making up his accounts /image but nobody has been brave enough or knowledgable enough to disclose which figure of the bunch that would be the one they call THEIR christ.
 
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Someone was offended by this artwork someone released of a trans Jesus, but they weren't offended by the real travesty of the Sun cross (Baal cross) symbol in it.
I ask you all why can't the artist have this discussion if there is good evidence he might have a secret worth sharing.

Actually it's a valid discussion as to the Gender of 1 of the trinity of characters used for the Jesus image and combined story.
Resarch the female skeleton of Jesus, the head is hiding in Neuillville --France
At one time The Vatican insisted they found the tomb of Jesus.About the story it was researched by British biochemist Anthony Harris who is formerly from the TRINITY College in Dublin (so non biased or more biased towards the Church). He saw many possibilities that Jesus was a woman with turners syndrom, because only a woman with this condition is known to sweat blood (Luke 22:43-44)
Around the time of the Inquisition
There were found the catheri relics one labeled "Caput LVIII" contained the skull of a woman and this was sworn to be the flesh and blood tomb of Jesus.Josephus reported Jesus to be a mere 5 foot tall. Other history reports Jesus to be slightly built and without beard.
These facts can be read in the old Omni magazine Dec 1988 issue or his book titled the Sacred Virgin and the Holy Whore.
Hey I don't write these things or make them up, I just leave open all possiblities for us all to ponder, I basically just report what I see and what you all miss, even as connections appear to support these possibilities.
The relic:
A great head of gilded silver, most beautiful, and constituting theimage of a woman. Inside were two head bones, wrapped in a cloth of white linen, with another red cloth around it. A label was attached, on which was written the legend Caput LVIIIm. The bones inside were those of a rather small woman."

Other evidence would be the fact that when they discovered the bones to be of a woman that is the time period where the forged shroud of an over 6'
bearded man thst magically appeared on the scene.

Fact: Jesus relationships reveal it's possibility:
"A newly translated Gnostic gospel, entitled The Secret Book of Judas of Kerioth, According to this seeminglyauthentic early Cainite-Ophite text, translated from the Coptic by Mohammed al-Murtada and Francis Bendik, said Jesus had an active bisexual love life, including relations with John, Lazarus and Mary Magdelene.
Also validating that: is
in the missing portions of Mark it shows Jesus sleeping with a naked young rich man, but also the NT validates this:
"...there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold of him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked." (Mark 14:51-52). Was this the companion that Luke observed with Jesus inside the garden?

"...he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked on that day..."(Amos 2:16----the Hebrew 'labab' translated 'flee away' here, actually means 'transported with love', and also 'ravished'). Now that certainly fits this episode of the young man fleeing away naked from Jesus outside the garden of Gethsemane.

Who was this young man if not perhaps the rich man whom "Then Jesus beholding him, loved him..."(Mark 10:21). Perhaps it was the rich man Lazarus, of whom "...he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth..."(John 11:11----The Greek 'philos' translated 'friend', also means 'dear' and 'fond of').

Fact: the only historical person named Jesus was in 70 or 90 ad and was a name used for a woman.
Joshua (Hosea) is used for a man.

Fact: the truth Gospels shows us the original trinity
at that time was Father- Mother -Son,
Jesus was therefore both man and Woman.

Fact: The church is clothed in the lady worship.

Fact:they claim the central source Q used to write the gospels came from a woman.

Fact: in the Book of Thomas he speaks of the day body parts will be changed and man made female and female into men, but why?
How would he know unless he was transformed?
Which brings us to:
Fact: He always spoke about being transformed.

Discuss: was Jesus like Chaz Bono, a woman living as a man, or like woman characters in history (Joan of Arc) who were mischaracterized & posed as men to compete in a male dominant society?
*(in my best Seinfeld voice: "not that there was anything wrong with that")
Because that would be retarded. Hope that helps.
What part of "Son of God" did you not get?
Also, did you wear a football helmet in class but weren't on the football team? 😆
 
Because that would be retarded. Hope that helps.
What part of "Son of God" did you not get?
Also, did you wear a football helmet in class but weren't on the football team? 😆
???????????????????
 
Because that would be retarded. Hope that helps.
What part of "Son of God" did you not get?
Also, did you wear a football helmet in class but weren't on the football team? 😆
some day someone may find a writing by the person called
'jesus christ'-----be optimistic. According to the account in the
New Testiment, Jesus was literate. He seems to have been unemployed but a kind of leader figure in his time. Lots of
stuff is ascribed to him in a time when people DID LEAVE
WRITINGS and in a place in which at least something would have
been preserved-------keep looking
 
Because that would be retarded. Hope that helps.
What part of "Son of God" did you not get?
Also, did you wear a football helmet in class but weren't on the football team? 😆
Don't even joke about things like that, I went to a HS that allowed them to have a special class within the school and one such person (wearing a helmet so she would not hurt herself) got lost from the herd and had enough faith and trust in me to ask to assist her back to her guardians, so in short, what's your excuse that she had more sense than you-once again: Zechariah 8:23
 
Nope. I'm still a Christian. Your words mean nothing. Stamping your feet and pouting is useless.

But it's the best you can do.
Your standard: "Jesus' words mean nothing. Stamping his feet and pouting & overturning (ransacking) the NECESSARY Temple trade tables is useless. But it's the best he can do as our idol god"
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"YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THE MARK OF THE BEAST ON THEIR FOREHEADS"
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Where are they getting this bitter wormwood from, such hatred in their replies?
Let's review the false claim that they are to love thy neighbor and are a religion of love (thousands of wars later they still teach this)
Jesus hated families (Luke 8:19-21,Luke 14:26,33,Luke 18:29-30, Matt 10:34-37), hated life (1 John 2:15-17) and this earth and mankind (2 Peter 3:10, Mat 10: 34-40 & Thomas 16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8), hated the Pharisee , hated Woman (1 Cor. 11, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 & all over the book of Thomas), hated his brethren (seen by what he caused to them), hated people with disabilities(Mark 9:14-19,Matt 9:32-33, 12:22 & Luke 11:14) hated gentiles (Matt15:26), hated his own chosen town of Capernaum (Mat.11:23), thus must not have Knoweth G-d according to 1John 4:8
My eyes are getting quite a work out...I hope eye rolls are good for them. It's as if you haven't a clue that we are to put God first, above all else, to choose God above all else. In Hebrew/Aramaic using 'hate' in such a way simply means to love less. An example of this of God loved Jacob but hated Esau. God chose Jacob over Esau. Come on. A Christian should not have to point this out to anyone of the Jewish faith. Get.a.grip.
 
Your standard: "Jesus' words mean nothing. Stamping his feet and pouting & overturning (ransacking) the NECESSARY Temple trade tables is useless. But it's the best he can do as our idol god"
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"YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THE MARK OF THE BEAST ON THEIR FOREHEADS"
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Naturally, you may choose to remain in your ignorance. But at least consider where the Bible mentions the purpose of marks on foreheads. It occurs in Judaism, as early as Exodus.

Exodus 13:9: It shall be as a sign on your hand and a a reminder on your forehead.

Exodus 13:16 – Let this, then, be as a sign on your hand and as a pendant on your forehead: With a strong hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt (i.e. slavery)

Deuteronomy 11:18: Therefore, take these words of mine into your heart and soul. Bid them at your wrist as a sign, and let them be a pendant on your forehead.

All these were a sign that these people worshiped God.


Now, let take a look at Revelation 13:16 (New Testament) where Nero decreed a sign that he was the god to be worship be on the people’s foreheads:

"He (Nero) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads".

In the Roman Empire during Nero’s time, no one could buy or sell unless they had Nero’s mark (the sign of the beast that he was to all Christians) on their foreheads.


In the Old Testament, ashes were a sign of penance. The cross is a sign of God’s redemption of mankind, therefore a sign of God. I understand that Jews hold no belief that God, Himself became man to share in our humanity, and continually showed his love for his people even through death. Again, Jews hold no such belief, but it is the heart of Christianity and Christian teaching.

Jews can sincerely and respectfully say, "We hold no such belief" while respecting the faith of Christians. The reasoning and logic Christians have for belief Jesus was the begotten Son of God, a part of Him from the beginning of time, is immense, and this, too, deserves respect.
 
Naturally, you may choose to remain in your ignorance. But at least consider where the Bible mentions the purpose of marks on foreheads. It occurs in Judaism, as early as Exodus.

Exodus 13:9: It shall be as a sign on your hand and a a reminder on your forehead.

Exodus 13:16 – Let this, then, be as a sign on your hand and as a pendant on your forehead: With a strong hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt (i.e. slavery)

Deuteronomy 11:18: Therefore, take these words of mine into your heart and soul. Bid them at your wrist as a sign, and let them be a pendant on your forehead.

All these were a sign that these people worshiped God.


Now, let take a look at Revelation 13:16 (New Testament) where Nero decreed a sign that he was the god to be worship be on the people’s foreheads:

"He (Nero) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads".

In the Roman Empire during Nero’s time, no one could buy or sell unless they had Nero’s mark (the sign of the beast that he was to all Christians) on their foreheads.


In the Old Testament, ashes were a sign of penance. The cross is a sign of God’s redemption of mankind, therefore a sign of God. I understand that Jews hold no belief that God, Himself became man to share in our humanity, and continually showed his love for his people even through death. Again, Jews hold no such belief, but it is the heart of Christianity and Christian teaching.

Jews can sincerely and respectfully say, "We hold no such belief" while respecting the faith of Christians. The reasoning and logic Christians have for belief Jesus was the begotten Son of God, a part of Him from the beginning of time, is immense, and this, too, deserves respect.
Unbelievers that denigrate the religion aren't interested in respect
 
Just noticed the emoji in my post (#295) I did not notice this before I had access to edit! I am so sorry. I copied and pasted the Exodus verse (Exodus 13:9) not realizing ": 9 :" (without spaces) would bring in an unknown and unwanted emoji! So embarrassed!
 
As I mentioned communism comes directly from the Christian bible one just has to look at the verses ...

not true: theirs and judaism are religions of servitude and denial ...

the reference is to the 1st century events repudiation of judaism's false commandments, hereditary idolatry - religion of apartheid and are what jesus taught - liberation theology, self determination.

- reluctantly present in the christian bible.

at least give credit where credit is due.
 
The figure the Roman church favored out of the 3 was the one who fled towards "Egypt" to avoid the Jannaeus (not Herod) persecutions during the Pharisee revolt. It's where he learned his underworld teachings (death worship) & maggis stunts.

no that was not the indiscript jesus who was crucified by the jews ... their repudiation of judaism not mentioned in the christian bible is what throws you off.


* freudian slip "alert" ... maggis - were you thinking the - magi - who were sent by the heavens to protect jesus mary joseph from the hateful moses and their 10 commandments ... yes, they showed their blades on several occasions when the jews were looking for some stones - not intended for cooking ...
 
My eyes are getting quite a work out...I hope eye rolls are good for them. It's as if you haven't a clue that we are to put God first, above all else, to choose God above all else. In Hebrew/Aramaic using 'hate' in such a way simply means to love less. An example of this of God loved Jacob but hated Esau. God chose Jacob over Esau. Come on. A Christian should not have to point this out to anyone of the Jewish faith. Get.a.grip.
A Christian should not be silent and decide to NOT SAY ANYTHING when they see a fellow Christian attack a Jew in a blatant anti semitic way, or make racist stereotype comments about Black, Asians, or Latinos liken to a Muslim being Silent when a radical fellow Muslim goes all Jihadist, But they do, and only speak out to voice that same hate speech themselves, when someone uses their own text to make their frail human ego feel a booboo to their affiliation pride, so here's your blinkie, sit in the corner and have a time out. 🍼
 
A Christian should not be silent and decide to NOT SAY ANYTHING when they see a fellow Christian attack a Jew in a blatant anti semitic way, or make racist stereotype comments about Black, Asians, or Latinos liken to a Muslim being Silent when a radical fellow Muslim goes all Jihadist, But they do, and only speak out to voice that same hate speech themselves, when someone uses their own text to make their frail human ego feel a booboo to their affiliation pride, so here's your blinkie, sit in the corner and have a time out. 🍼
But we should remain quite when a Jew attacks Jesus right?
 

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