Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[irosie91]

are you saying the Roman empire created Jesus to Troll the revolting Jews in the same way Anton Levay trolled the church?

not even close

 

[HaShev]

 

[BreezeWood]

Just about EVERYONE FAILS this simple question.

1)you have no idea why it's the wrong answer
2)you don't even care to know the answer via the way you repeated the mistakes already addressed with historical facts here, that you never refuted.
3)you never even gave a legittimate answer (because you still left no name) which is what giving the character acnew name does, takes it out of the historical context whereby you can study the failures of that historical figure to deliver as promised and required.

what is lacking is judaism's claim by moses (if they existed) of tablets etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments that never existed they and the other desert religions falsely use to this day as well the claim by abraham of hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid as heavenly conspired that never happened et al - discrepancies throughout the bibles of all three desert religions.

the burden of proof weighs upon those who assert that some thing or some process exists.

who are those that do not fail - simple, the ones who are truthful ... which excludes all desert dwellers.

 

[HaShev]

who are those that do not fail - simple, the ones who are truthful ... which excludes all desert dwellers.

So then you are ok with people stealing your stuff, murdering and coveting your loved ones, because their idols said they have a free get away sin card if you bow to them and rub their tummy? and that's only 3 of the 10 I mentioned.

 

[BreezeWood]

So then you are ok with people stealing your stuff, murdering and coveting your loved ones, because their idols said they have a free get away sin card if you bow to them and rub their tummy? and that's only 3 of the 10 I mentioned.

surprise, jesus himself was not a desert dweller, they taught the heavenly religion of antiquity - liberation theology, self determination - not the desert religions of servitude and denial.

your post sounds like the latter - the desert dwellers and their uninterrupted recorded histories throughout the ages of persecution and victimization of the innocent ...

past and present - ever heard of netanyahu and the gaza genocide ... they claim not to try and harm the innocent which they are themselves a limitless supply using precision bombing at all times.

 

[daveman]

we don't proselytize, but they do, so all those nice words you had for me are actually deflections of how you feel Christianity is to all the faiths they subvert and slay in the name of their truth that needs violence and hate mongering to protect that fake good news, sort of like-hmmm I don't know, the progressive radicals perhaps?

Nope. I'm still a Christian. Your words mean nothing. Stamping your feet and pouting is useless.

But it's the best you can do.

 

[shimon]

Nope. I'm still a Christian. Your words mean nothing. Stamping your feet and pouting is useless.

Carefull Dave you can claim to be a Christian but in order to be a "true christian" one must pass these crucial tests mark 16 :17-18 ready alrighty then.... In my name(this is the idol speaking or is it the mark) they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with new tougues(now these are easy to fake) but continuing they shall pick up serpents(since most so called christians speak with a forked tougue not so hard) however they must drink any deadly poison , it shall not hurt them... They shall lay their hands on the sick and they shall recover.... There are some more would you care for me to list them....I am not trying to yank your chain here just trying to show you it is one thing to claim something itis another to actually be able to pass an impossible and silly list don’t you think….

 

[daveman]

You screwed up the formatting, genius.

"Carefull Dave you can claim to be a Christian but in order to be a "true christian" one must pass these crucial tests mark 16 :17-18 ready alrighty then.... In my name(this is the idol speaking or is it the mark) they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with new tougues(now these are easy to fake) but continuing they shall pick up serpents(since most so called christians speak with a forked tougue not so hard) however they must drink any deadly poison , it shall not hurt them... They shall lay their hands on the sick and they shall recover.... There are some more would you care for me to list them....I am not trying to yank your chain here just trying to show you it is one thing to claim something itis another to actually be able to pass an impossible and silly list don’t you think…."

I don't answer to any man, especially one with such warped views of my faith.

I answer to God and to God alone.

And you are not God.

 

[Meriweather]

Carefull Dave you can claim to be a Christian but in order to be a "true christian" one must pass these crucial tests mark 16 :17-18 ready alrighty then.... In my name(this is the idol speaking or is it the mark) they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with new tougues(now these are easy to fake) but continuing they shall pick up serpents(since most so called christians speak with a forked tougue not so hard) however they must drink any deadly poison , it shall not hurt them... They shall lay their hands on the sick and they shall recover.... There are some more would you care for me to list them....I am not trying to yank your chain here just trying to show you it is one thing to claim something itis another to actually be able to pass an impossible and silly list don’t you think….

Perhaps you are not familiar with another New Testament book, 1 Corinthians, specifically verses 3:10

3...And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit;c
5 there are different forms of service but the same Lord;
6 there are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone.
7 To each individual the manifestation of the Spirit is given for some benefit.
8 To one is given through the Spirit the expression of wisdom; to another the expression of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
9 to another faith by the same Spirit; to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit;
10 to another mighty deeds; to another prophecy; to another discernment of spirits; to another varieties of tongues; to another interpretation of tongues.
11 But one and the same Spirit produces all of these, distributing them individually to each person as he wishes.

The only test one must pass to be a "true Christian" is belief and faith that Jesus is One with God, that he redeemed the world, and he opened the Way of Salvation to all. As an example: Should non-Jews claim or announce that in order to be a "True Jew" one must follow the Law at all times and never break it? If not, you might ask yourself who are you to proclaim and announce what a "True Christian" must do.

 

[shimon]

Perhaps you are not familiar with another New Testament book, 1 Corinthians, specifically verses 3:10

3...And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit;c
5 there are different forms of service but the same Lord;
6 there are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone.
7 To each individual the manifestation of the Spirit is given for some benefit.
8 To one is given through the Spirit the expression of wisdom; to another the expression of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
9 to another faith by the same Spirit; to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit;
10 to another mighty deeds; to another prophecy; to another discernment of spirits; to another varieties of tongues; to another interpretation of tongues.
11 But one and the same Spirit produces all of these, distributing them individually to each person as he wishes.

The only test one must pass to be a "true Christian" is belief and faith that Jesus is One with God, that he redeemed the world, and he opened the Way of Salvation to all. As an example: Should non-Jews claim or announce that in order to be a "True Jew" one must follow the Law at all times and never break it? If not, you might ask yourself who are you to proclaim and announce what a "True Christian" must do.

Meriweather …. Plagerism and telling tall tales is a funny thing as I pointed out before when you tell a lie in order to cover it up you must tell bigger and bigger fibs to do so… It is interesting that you quoted the passage in first Corinthians however it does not take away from the facts I quoted in Mark of what is a true Christian or what he or she should be able to do…I have found instead of people taking things at face value they try to twist their way out hence my comment to you in an earlier post about becoming a pretzel by trying to twist and contort into any shape to do so…


It doesn’t help that whoever penned that passage in Mark was trying to plagerize what Moses did regarding a serpent but in a bigger better more dramatic way…. Many of the stories found in the New Testament are or seem to be quilty of that… Hey I didn’t write it you should take it up with Mark or better yet don’t try any of those things because quite frankly no one can pass those tests unless they are delusional to say the least….

 

[shimon]

You screwed up the formatting, genius.

"Carefull Dave you can claim to be a Christian but in order to be a "true christian" one must pass these crucial tests mark 16 :17-18 ready alrighty then.... In my name(this is the idol speaking or is it the mark) they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with new tougues(now these are easy to fake) but continuing they shall pick up serpents(since most so called christians speak with a forked tougue not so hard) however they must drink any deadly poison , it shall not hurt them... They shall lay their hands on the sick and they shall recover.... There are some more would you care for me to list them....I am not trying to yank your chain here just trying to show you it is one thing to claim something itis another to actually be able to pass an impossible and silly list don’t you think…."

I don't answer to any man, especially one with such warped views of my faith.

I answer to God and to God alone.

And you are not God.

There is nothing warped about my views on a side note Dave I see you have a quotation of Marxism you do realize that Communism came from Christianity would you like me to show you where and how…. Sometimes we need to have our eyes opened by others for us to learn and prosper .. Your choice…

 

[daveman]

There is nothing warped about my views on a side note Dave I see you have a quotation of Marxism you do realize that Communism came from Christianity would you like me to show you where and how…. Sometimes we need to have our eyes opened by others for us to learn and prosper .. Your choice…

No, I'm not interested. It may have come from Christianity, but it is by no means Christian, and it's utter insanity to make that claim.

 

[shimon]

I will give you a taste shall I go on… As they had things in Common( ism). Checkout acts 2:44-45 as well"……Communism is from Christianity…..Acts 4:32-37
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32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

 

[daveman]

I will give you a taste...​

I told you I wasn't interested, you idiot.

 

[shimon]

I told you I wasn't interested, you idiot.

But Dave you like to insult people and refer to them in very derogatory terms . I am far to idiotic to understand right so here is some more info for you personal…As I mentioned communism comes directly from the Christian bible one just has to look at the verses in acts 2; 44-45 and acts 4 : 32 - 37 to see it is so..Before calling someone a fool or an idiot you should do a little research.I once did a long paper on this subject but I can not find it and had to borrow these facts from someone else unfortunately... Thomas Moore who was a catholic saint published a book called Utopia as well...Others came along later and further formulated these ideas such as Wilheim Weitling who wrote the Gospel of poor Sinners it was these books esp Weitling that influenced the founders of The league of the Just which later became the Communist Leaque which both Marx and Engels were members…. You did make a quote about Marx didn’t you…Much of this can be googled up and found as with all things taking a verse or two out of context as I have stated many times is the root for all these problems as unscrupulous people come along later and twist things to their own benefit such as the like of Stalin, Mao Zedung and Hitler with his crooked cross(swatika).. Know it is true that religion became anathema to the leftist ideologies but that is only because they no longer needed it or it wasn't usefull to them... Case in point was the way Stalin destroyed and closed all the churches in the Soviet Union but when Hitler threatened his rule he reopened them and used the people's strong ties to Russian orthodox Christianity to turn the tide against Hitler... Proving that he would use whatever means possible to stay in power like all despots and cunning conning men of power..….I know I am an idiot Dave but even idiots have their use in bringing out hidden truths and lies that are covered up…Christianity has much in “ Common” with this…

 

[daveman]

But Dave you like to insult people and refer to them in very derogatory terms . I am far to idiotic to understand right so here is some more info for you personal…As I mentioned communism comes directly from the Christian bible one just has to look at the verses in acts 2; 44-45 and acts 4 : 32 - 37 to see it is so..Before calling someone a fool or an idiot you should do a little research.I once did a long paper on this subject but I can not find it and had to borrow these facts from someone else unfortunately... Thomas Moore who was a catholic saint published a book called Utopia as well...Others came along later and further formulated these ideas such as Wilheim Weitling who wrote the Gospel of poor Sinners it was these books esp Weitling that influenced the founders of The league of the Just which later became the Communist Leaque which both Marx and Engels were members…. You did make a quote about Marx didn’t you…Much of this can be googled up and found as with all things taking a verse or two out of context as I have stated many times is the root for all these problems as unscrupulous people come along later and twist things to their own benefit such as the like of Stalin, Mao Zedung and Hitler with his crooked cross(swatika).. Know it is true that religion became anathema to the leftist ideologies but that is only because they no longer needed it or it wasn't usefull to them... Case in point was the way Stalin destroyed and closed all the churches in the Soviet Union but when Hitler threatened his rule he reopened them and used the people's strong ties to Russian orthodox Christianity to turn the tide against Hitler... Proving that he would use whatever means possible to stay in power like all despots and cunning conning men of power..….I know I am an idiot Dave but even idiots have their use in bringing out hidden truths and lies that are covered up…Christianity has much in “ Common” with this…

Christianity has nothing to do with Communism. Your paper should have failed.

 

[shimon]

Christianity has nothing to do with Communism. Your paper should have failed.

That’s fine Dave live in your Delusions but you notice I never insulted you or put you down that is your thing keep that in mind…

 

[daveman]

That’s fine Dave live in your Delusions but you notice I never insulted you or put you down that is your thing keep that in mind…

You insult my God. You insult my faith. Your words come from Satan.

I'm through with you.

 

[Meriweather]

Meriweather …. Plagerism and telling tall tales is a funny thing as I pointed out before when you tell a lie in order to cover it up you must tell bigger and bigger fibs to do so… It is interesting that you quoted the passage in first Corinthians however it does not take away from the facts I quoted in Mark of what is a true Christian or what he or she should be able to do…I have found instead of people taking things at face value they try to twist their way out hence my comment to you in an earlier post about becoming a pretzel by trying to twist and contort into any shape to do so…


It doesn’t help that whoever penned that passage in Mark was trying to plagerize what Moses did regarding a serpent but in a bigger better more dramatic way…. Many of the stories found in the New Testament are or seem to be quilty of that… Hey I didn’t write it you should take it up with Mark or better yet don’t try any of those things because quite frankly no one can pass those tests unless they are delusional to say the least….

Or, one could use basic intelligence instead of making a stab at turning what should be common sense into a Gotcha! Even as a child without anyone explaining it to me, I was well aware that some people have greater power and authority than others. I'm guessing you also expect "real Christians" to show you how they call on a mountain to remove itself from land and transplant itself into the sea. Your commentary on Christianity is quite poor and, as I inferred above, can't even impress a child.

How do you get fibs? Does Judaism tell fibs? Too bad if you do. When I study either Judaism or Christianity, all one needs to do is study a little harder, dig a bit deeper.

 

[Meriweather]

It doesn’t help that whoever penned that passage in Mark was trying to plagerize what Moses did regarding a serpent but in a bigger better more dramatic way…. Many of the stories found in the New Testament are or seem to be quilty of that… Hey I didn’t write it you should take it up with Mark or better yet don’t try any of those things because quite frankly no one can pass those tests unless they are delusional to say the least….

Also...The passage in Mark references Paul's experience with a snake (Acts 28:3-6) and has nothing at all to do with Moses or the serpents in Exodus. But...if you can make up a reason to (even falsely) accuse Christianity of plagiarizing, why not take the shot.