Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill?

[cnm]

New Zealanders were sent to the island of Crete because they were mountain-trained. To this day, the Greeks of Crete hold them in high regard. I know this from personal experience. Most New Zealanders were evacuated by British submarines after the parachute invasion of the island.

Evacuation mostly by RN surface ships. NZ troops weren't specifically mountain trained.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The article and some of the commentary in this thread are sophomoric. NOBODY claims that Churchill was a perfect man - far from it. He was a flawed man who accomplished great things at a time when Western Civilization itself was on the brink. One must not assess historical figures against sensitivities of the modern era, any more than one would assess a modern-day politician against the social standards of generations past. Context is everything. And to suppose that Churchill and Hitler were two side of the same coin because Churchill held some racist views? I don't recall him suggesting mass extermination of any group of inferiors, eh?

As for Churchill's "racism," the entire creation and maintenance of the British Empire was done with the fervent and seldom-challenged belief that white people were intrinsically superior to brown, yellow and Black people, a position that was supported by a mountain of universal evidence. If one were to "cancel" every historical world leader who held similar views, the history of the world could be contained in a short pamphlet.

Where does this writer think India would be on the world scene today had the British not come in and imposed a bit of order, common law, and modernity? Just another shit-hole country dominated by disease, infighting, and corruption, one might guess.

If they want to hold seminars to examine Churchill's leadership history in context, no one would have a problem with it. But to highlight only his shortcomings through the lens of 21st Century Woke attitudes? Gimme a break. Grow the Fuck up.

So much shit in one post.British misruule led to the death of millions of Indians. They have made great progress since losing their colonial oppressors.

You are unreal.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

You know if you look at Churchill with today’s eyes then yes he was a horrible man but when you place him in the era he was, well compared to Stalin and Hitler Winston was a saint!

 

[Meathead]

New Zealanders were sent to the island of Crete because they were mountain-trained. To this day, the Greeks of Crete hold them in high regard. I know this from personal experience. Most New Zealanders were evacuated by British submarines after the parachute invasion of the island.

Evacuation mostly by RN surface ships. NZ troops weren't specifically mountain trained.

You have very little idea of what you're talking about, as usual.

 

[Indeependent]

Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill? | Priyamvada Gopal

Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side, says academic Priyamvada Gopal

www.theguardian.com

Even his contemporaries found his views on race shocking. In the context of Churchill’s hard line against providing famine relief to Bengal, the colonial secretary, Leo Amery, remarked: “On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.”

Its because we are programmed to flap like seals when the "glory" of empire and our outdated societal norms are discussed.
Its good that someone has come out and said it. Interesting observations about right wing authoritarians marching against different ideas. Hypocritical bastards.

What would your life be like if the Empire had been defeated 1,000 years ago?

There was no empire 1000 years ago you thick fucker.

Exactly; you would have simply been living in a another brutal empire.

 

[HenryBHough]

...you people HATE brave, smart, industrious, etc men and LOVE criminals !!!!!!
WHY?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

Just doing what they were indoctrinated to do.

Pity there are no longer any actual schools.

 

[cnm]

You have very little idea of what you're talking about, as usual.

Mmm. Maybe. Read a few books, had a few uncles who were members of 2NZDiv.

 

[harmonica]

Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill? | Priyamvada Gopal

Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side, says academic Priyamvada Gopal

www.theguardian.com

Even his contemporaries found his views on race shocking. In the context of Churchill’s hard line against providing famine relief to Bengal, the colonial secretary, Leo Amery, remarked: “On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.”

Its because we are programmed to flap like seals when the "glory" of empire and our outdated societal norms are discussed.
Its good that someone has come out and said it. Interesting observations about right wing authoritarians marching against different ideas. Hypocritical bastards.

we laugh when you people use the word RACISM
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Litwin]

Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill? | Priyamvada Gopal

Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side, says academic Priyamvada Gopal

www.theguardian.com

Even his contemporaries found his views on race shocking. In the context of Churchill’s hard line against providing famine relief to Bengal, the colonial secretary, Leo Amery, remarked: “On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.”

Its because we are programmed to flap like seals when the "glory" of empire and our outdated societal norms are discussed.
Its good that someone has come out and said it. Interesting observations about right wing authoritarians marching against different ideas. Hypocritical bastards.

Marxists hate him much like they hate the civilization, greatest man of 20c. who wanted to save my family from marxist permanent famine
Soviet famine of 1946–47 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Soviet_famine_of_1946–47



Between 1946 and 1947, there were a minimum of 115,000 to over 300,000 recorded deaths linked to starvation. ... The famine in Moldova has also led to ..

 

[Litwin]

He was a product of his time. It both formed his biases, his drinking habits, and, his patriotism.

Yes. A drunk, racist, imperialist.

in 19c-20c everyone was A drunk, racist, imperialist.
but he was the best what 19c did produce

 

[cnm]

in 19c-20c everyone was A drunk, racist, imperialist.
but he was the best what 19c did produce

You're welcome to him. I wouldn't touch him with yours.

 

[Meathead]

You have very little idea of what you're talking about, as usual.

Mmm. Maybe. Read a few books, had a few uncles who were members of 2NZDiv.

Mmmm. I'm Greek and have spent a great deal of time in Crete. I have a 92-year old aunt who lives there and have often spoken with her friends who actually remember the war. Now of course they are mostly dead, but they were uniformly appreciative of the New Zealand soldiers who backed up the remnants of the Greek army in the Battle of Crete and the Cretian resistance.

 

[TheParser]

Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill? | Priyamvada Gopal

Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side, says academic Priyamvada Gopal

www.theguardian.com

Even his contemporaries found his views on race shocking. In the context of Churchill’s hard line against providing famine relief to Bengal, the colonial secretary, Leo Amery, remarked: “On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.”

Its because we are programmed to flap like seals when the "glory" of empire and our outdated societal norms are discussed.
Its good that someone has come out and said it. Interesting observations about right wing authoritarians marching against different ideas. Hypocritical bastards.

You nutbags should be glad he wasn't like pantywaist Neville Chamberlain. There wouldn't be a Great Britain today

Just as we should not judge Sir Winston by today's standards, neither should we judge Mr. Chamberlain.

World War One was horrific, so Mr. Chamberlain wanted to do everything possible to avoid another war. Neither he nor other leaders realized that it was impossible to trust Herr Hitler's word.

 

[zaangalewa]

Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill? | Priyamvada Gopal

Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side, says academic Priyamvada Gopal

www.theguardian.com

Even his contemporaries found his views on race shocking. In the context of Churchill’s hard line against providing famine relief to Bengal, the colonial secretary, Leo Amery, remarked: “On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.”

Its because we are programmed to flap like seals when the "glory" of empire and our outdated societal norms are discussed.
Its good that someone has come out and said it. Interesting observations about right wing authoritarians marching against different ideas. Hypocritical bastards.

You nutbags should be glad he wasn't like pantywaist Neville Chamberlain. There wouldn't be a Great Britain today

Hmm ... But is Great Britain great today? ... The hidden politics of Chamberlain was it to bring Hitlers Germany and Stalins Russia into a war with each other. This had "killed two birds with one stone" (German: "Zwei Fliegen mit einer Klappe schlagen"). In this way the British empire had had a chance to survive a little longer as it did do. What he did not know: Under all circumstances Hitler liked to do a war against Stalin. But I fear still today nearly no one knows really why.

 

[zaangalewa]

Churchill was the greatest leader of any country in the 20th Century

it serves no purpose to focus on your petty complaints

no purpose whatsoever

He was your hero and if brits want to trash him thats none of my business

but I still consider him a great man

He was a fucking monster.

Seig Heil.

Sieg Heil (verbally: sieg[e] heil ='win sane', Sieg Heil = 'victory [is] heal[ing], salvation')

 

[zaangalewa]

Most Arabs and African in the UK came from countries that were British colonies.

talk about unintended consequences

without colonialism there would be few if any muslims and africans in the UK and it would be a much happier place today

Nice that all Germans are Nazis for you. This honors us, Nazi. By the way: When the French made a parade after the liberation of Paris, they liked to have in the first position of this parade a part of their colonial army, which was ful of blacks, - on reason to honor their good fight for the freedom of Paris. The USA protested against this lack of racism of the French. What do you think, who wan?

 

[BS Filter]

Most Arabs and African in the UK came from countries that were British colonies.

talk about unintended consequences

without colonialism there would be few if any muslims and africans in the UK and it would be a much happier place today

Nice that all Germans are Nazis for you. This honors us, Nazi. By the way: When the French made a parade after the liberation of Paris, they liked to have in the first position of this parade a part of their colonial army, which was ful of blacks, - on reason to honor their good fight for the freedom of Paris. The USA protested against this lack of racism of the French. What do you think, who wan?

Typical French. It was the Americans who gave the most to free the French. Americans should have been in the front. French men squat when they piss.

 

[zaangalewa]

You know if you look at Churchill with today’s eyes then yes he was a horrible man but when you place him in the era he was, well compared to Stalin and Hitler Winston was a saint!

Now in understand why you need enemies in your culture. This makes you to saints, who burn down middle age cities, bomb down modern cities and fire on trails of unarmed refugees with strafers.

 

[surada]

Most Arabs and African in the UK came from countries that were British colonies.

talk about unintended consequences

without colonialism there would be few if any muslims and africans in the UK and it would be a much happier place today

Nice that all Germans are Nazis for you. This honors us, Nazi. By the way: When the French made a parade after the liberation of Paris, they liked to have in the first position of this parade a part of their colonial army, which was ful of blacks, - on reason to honor their good fight for the freedom of Paris. The USA protested against this lack of racism of the French. What do you think, who wan?

Typical French. It was the Americans who gave the most to free the French. Americans should have been in the front. French men squat when they piss.

The French lost so many men in WW1 that the birth rate was flat between the wars. When WW2 broke out they had very few men of age to serve in the military. Don't parade your ignorance.

 

[zaangalewa]

Most Arabs and African in the UK came from countries that were British colonies.

talk about unintended consequences

without colonialism there would be few if any muslims and africans in the UK and it would be a much happier place today

Nice that all Germans are Nazis for you. This honors us, Nazi. By the way: When the French made a parade after the liberation of Paris, they liked to have in the first position of this parade a part of their colonial army, which was ful of blacks, - on reason to honor their good fight for the freedom of Paris. The USA protested against this lack of racism of the French. What do you think, who wan?

Typical French. It was the Americans who gave the most to free the French. Americans should have been in the front. French men squat when they piss.

Oh - I did not know that you was there on your own 75 years ago, brave hero and drivelling idiot. The Blacks of the USA had the right to die for the Whites of the USA in world war 2. And the concrete gratitude was to get a kick in the ass for their heroism after world war 2.