Why aren't you wearing an N95 Mask?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

Lies, lies, and more lies! Why don't you educate yourself on a topic before lying about it? Oh, wait! That's your TDS dominating your brain!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Wearing a mask and no gloves is pointless
Shit, guys can't even wash their hands after using the restroom
Furthermore, the mexicans wipe their ass and leave the fucking toilet paper
on the fucking floor in the guys bathroom and the sanitary fixture in the woman's

Get sick and get it over with

Some of us don't have that option. We die.

Wow...I'm sorry you are living in fear right now
I am not being sarcastic either, I am serious

What is different right now then before

The virus doesn't kill you, the worst of the possibilities do

You may die from viral pneumonia but not because of it or a virus
You died because God required your soul....He determined when before you
Your life is not at the mercy of some fucking virus

We all know death is certain, only He knows how and when

You are so f-ing stupid about this topic. Why don't you take a short walk in front of a long train and see how well you come out?

Ok, I am so fucking stupid about this topic
No, i will not take a short walk in front of a long train
and I refuse to become a prisoner of your fears

No one said you had to be a prisoner. Maybe you should work on those poor reading skills before exposing your ignorance.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

Lies, lies, and more lies! Why don't you educate yourself on a topic before lying about it? Oh, wait! That's your TDS dominating your brain!

Have every tried contributing anything other than personal insults?

 

[keepitreal]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Wearing a mask and no gloves is pointless
Shit, guys can't even wash their hands after using the restroom
Furthermore, the mexicans wipe their ass and leave the fucking toilet paper
on the fucking floor in the guys bathroom and the sanitary fixture in the woman's

Get sick and get it over with

Some of us don't have that option. We die.

Wow...I'm sorry you are living in fear right now
I am not being sarcastic either, I am serious

What is different right now then before

The virus doesn't kill you, the worst of the possibilities do

You may die from viral pneumonia but not because of it or a virus
You died because God required your soul....He determined when before you
Your life is not at the mercy of some fucking virus

We all know death is certain, only He knows how and when

You are so f-ing stupid about this topic. Why don't you take a short walk in front of a long train and see how well you come out?

Ok, I am so fucking stupid about this topic
No, i will not take a short walk in front of a long train
and I refuse to become a prisoner of your fears

No one said you had to be a prisoner. Maybe you should work on those poor reading skills before exposing your ignorance.

You are right

Yes, maybe I should work on my reading comprehension and critical thinking skills

Please forgive me for offending you, those were not my intentions
You are among the handful of posters I do enjoy hearing from here

Peace, Love, Strength and Blessings
Lynn

 

[keepitreal]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Wearing a mask and no gloves is pointless
Shit, guys can't even wash their hands after using the restroom
Furthermore, the mexicans wipe their ass and leave the fucking toilet paper
on the fucking floor in the guys bathroom and the sanitary fixture in the woman's

Get sick and get it over with

Problem is some people don't get over it. They die.

Since when do we stop life because life is happening

If 7/10 people were dying I'd get it

There are people who exercise, eat healthy, don't smoke, drink or use drugs
and have a heart attack and die in their 30's

We all die

Yes we do. The only point I was making is that getting the virus and stopping it that way is not applicable to everybody. I certainly can't do that. If I catch it, I'm at high risk of not recovering.

There is no right or wrong decision here. Life or economics are at risk no matter which way we decide to go.

Like a lot of things in life there is a need for a balance...

I am sorry but WH has made some bad calls so far and is pushing for a quick back due election fears... We know this because he and his supporters accuses anyone who doesn't agree with him as trying to ruin the economy to hamper his election chances.

Truth is there is plenty of people like CDC, responsible Governors, etc etc... who aren't just looking at what is happening in the world but also what is happening in other countries.. Germany had hot spots and quickly identified them earlier this week and shut a region down again. This didn't take over the country because Germany is testing at levels fairly higher than US... So is Ireland, Denmark and even New Zealand (yes the country who have 10 new cases in the last 10 days and none for 4 days)...

So balance is there... This Trump Supporters calls is open and forget the science because it is awkward is reckless and dangerous...

I agree. If the pandemic had hit in Trump's first year or so year in office, he might have been more interested in providing an adequate response to the virus, even thou it hurt the economy but in an election year he has go after the votes and to him that means to open businesses and get people back to work. Of course he's gambling on the voters ignoring the cost in human lives which may well be over 200,000 by election day.

You know what, I can't believe I'm actually going to have to say this to you...
you are talking out your ass

1. You are aware this all occurred during flu season, yes
2. You do know 650,000 people die a year from viruses, yes
3. Are you aware they replaced the H1N1 vaccine virus strain with a live virus?
Oh yeah, just for the Northern Hemisphere
4. Are you aware that knuckleheads who got a flu shot became carriers and could infect others
5. Are you aware it was egg based and less effective to bind and induce an immune response
Oh yeah, this applied to the Northern Hemisphere, WHO recommended SH use cell based
6. Are you aware this was in the last 2 years
7. Are you aware they replaced the H7 master for flu shots the last 2 years
Why...because they had a USELESS H7 STOCKPILE of a master strain
(they had been using since '09, with minimal tweaks and only 10%-60% affective)
AND AN ANTIGENIC VARIANT OF A HPAI H7N9 SUBTYPE EMERGING IN CHINA
IN THE VERY WUHAN VIRUS EPICENTER THAT HAD PANDEMIC POTENTIAL

THE 6TH WAVE IN APRIL 2019 THAT HAD BEEN ONGOING SINCE 2013
AFTER A YEAR WITHOUT CASES(18) SINCE CHANGING
THE POULTRY VACCINE STRAIN AFTER THE 5TH WAVE(16/17)

IT WENT FROM H7N9
TO HPAI H7N9
TO ANTIGENIC VARIANT HPAI H7N9 SUBTYPE
BECAUSE OF VACCINES...VACCINES THEY THROW TOGETHER
USING OTHER PROTEINS FROM OTHER VIRUSES TO FILL GAPS
IN THE VIRUS SEQUENCE THEY NEED WHOLE TO PRODUCE A VACCINE FAST
BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING SO MUCH MONEY CULLING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
OF PIGS AND CHICKENS BECAUSE THEY KEEP GETTING AI AND SWINE VIRUSES

BECAUSE THESE PIGS AND CHICKENS ARE WALKING IN THEIR SHIT AND PISS
ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER IN ENCLOSURES UNSANITARY AND INHUMAN
THESE ANIMALS GET DISEASES BECAUSE OF THEIR CONDITIONS
NOT BECAUSE A FUCKING PATHOGEN JUMPED OFF A FUCKING BAT

HYPOTHESIS...DID YOU KNOW THAT
PHYLOGENETIC TREES ARE NOT, I REPEAT, NOT BASED ON FACT

AFRICAN SWINE FEVER....ANOTHER CURRENT OUTBREAK IN NASTY CHINA
WHICH HAS BEEN SPREADING ACROSS EUROPE

WELL THATS WHAT WHO NAMED IT....
CAUSE GOD FORBID THEY HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT
FOR WHY THEY ARE RELEVANT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM

WHO MADE CHANGES IN MARCH 2019 TO 2019/20 NORTHERN HEMISPHERE FLU VACCINES
THEY SWITCHED OUT H7 FOR H3

WHY WERE CHINAS DEATH NUMBERS LOW
THEY ALREADY HAD A VACCINE THEY HAD BEEN USING
WHY WERE THEIR CASES SO HIGH
BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DETERMINED POSITIVE CASES

WHY WERENT CHILDREN IN CHINA AFFECTED
THEY VACCINATED THEM

WHY ARE CHILDREN HERE BEING AFFLICTED WITH SHIT NOW
DID YOU KNOW THEY STARTING USING LIVE VIRUSES
IN CHILDHOOD VACCINES RECENTLY FOR A STUDY...ME NEITHER

TRUMP DIDNT ACT SOONER
GUESS WHAT...WE CANT ACT NOW
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH

AND THAT WILL TAKE LONGER THAN IT SHOULD
BECAUSE THESE MOTHER FUCKERS ARENT GOING TO ADMIT
THEIR VACCINES ARE CAUSING ALL THESE FUCKING PROBLEMS

I'll leave links to shit I stated...i'm taking my dog out

I can't believe you waste your time writing a collection of unrelated facts, half truths, and lies that are off topic, and no one is going to waste their time reading.

As soon as I get back from the store
I will go line by line just for you

You're right about one thing though, no one wants to bother reading
what i spent hundreds of hours researching since January 23

Where did you research?

medical journals, publications, clinical papers/studies,
genbank, PRC releases that I translated starting in January
Would you like me to continue what I started, I'd be happy to

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

Right, because even if we did have that pesky pandemic response team, they would have screwed everything up, right? What a joke of an argument. Dude, you have to have the government in some capacity or else you have anarchy!

This so-called Pandemic Team is a phony argument; like they could have prevented anything.

Then Ambassador Bolton got rid of one guy. The rest of the so-called team carried their duties as normal. Need a Factcheck link on that, just ask. Don't try to convince me that one person could have saved this country from the misery we are experiencing today and in future months. This pandemic came from one place, and affected over 180 countries.

Trump followed all the advice from Fauci to the CDC. Trump is not a doctor, nor viral specialist. That's why a President has a team of people who are.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

Trump never disbanded your so-called pandemic response team. It was reduced in an overhaul of the NSC. Why do we have a CDC and NIH if that is not their function? Where do Fauci and Birx normally work?

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

Right, because even if we did have that pesky pandemic response team, they would have screwed everything up, right? What a joke of an argument. Dude, you have to have the government in some capacity or else you have anarchy!

This so-called Pandemic Team is a phony argument; like they could have prevented anything.

Then Ambassador Bolton got rid of one guy. The rest of the so-called team carried their duties as normal. Need a Factcheck link on that, just ask. Don't try to convince me that one person could have saved this country from the misery we are experiencing today and in future months. This pandemic came from one place, and affected over 180 countries.

Trump followed all the advice from Fauci to the CDC. Trump is not a doctor, nor viral specialist. That's why a President has a team of people who are.

The mission of pandemic response team in 2018 was to create a plan to be followed by the administration in dealing with a pandemic. It would have established the responsible within the CDC, FEMA, FDA, and other agencies for various tasks. It should have also establishing the division of responsibility between the states and federal goverment thus allowing states to mesh their plans with the federal plans. FEMA has disaster plans drawn up and kept update for almost every possible national disaster except a pandemic. In 2019, a report out of of Homeland Security pointed out how unprepared America was to deal with a pandemic and cited the lack of a plan. The WHO had also pointed this out to Trump in 2017. The Trump administration's response was to dissolve the 17 member pandemic response team in 2018 and reassign staff. We don't know what happen to the plan but we do know that no plan was given to Trump's new pandemic response team organized on Jan 31, 2020.

If you have every worked in the federal government, you would understand the need for a documented plan that has been signed off by the agencies and the president or his Chief of Staff for any project that requires immediate attention and crosses agency or government bounders. If you don't have this, it will take you fucking forever to get anything done. Frankly, I'm surprised the CDC produced any test kits at all. It took them over two months, and they didn't work but they did produce something.

 

[Dick Foster]

L

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

Parachutes are extremely useful and save lives too..... in an extremely narrow set of circumstances.
Masks are the same way. If you think wearing one everywhere, all the time, is useful, then you're just not thinking.

Seriously? Are you that fucking stupid? I would not go to the doctor or hospital with my wife because every time I did, I caught some dread disease in the waiting room!

I work in an ER in downtown Houston, I get exposed to shit all the time. Harden the fuck up.

Quit being a drama queen, will you?

You don't wear PPE? Right! Have someone let us know when you die so we can symbolically piss on your grave.

The virus can also enter via your eyes. You planning on wearing goggles?

Listen up for possible penetration, wearing a mask is to prevent you spreading it to others. Take a minute and let that sink in. unless you are crying on someone, who gives a shit? Sneezes and coughs are the main method of transmission. Most of the fucking morons in America are confused by the purpose of the masks. They will not keep you safe. whatever you may be carrying.They are used to protect others FROM you.

Even healthcare workers don’t wear the N95 masks for long periods of time. They are particularly bad for people with respiratory issues.

Bullshit. Where do you dig up this crock of crap? An N95 is easy to breathe through that those paper masks.

It depends on the mask. There's a number of different designs. I think the ones with an intake value are better. Most of the give away masks you see at hospitals and clinics are not very comfortable.

LOL INTAKE valve?
WTF do you think the masks are supposed to be for? Why wear it at all if it has a valve that bypasses the mask? DUH!
However, it doesn't really matter because any mask that could filter out tiny little virus cells would likely suffocate you to death anyway.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

You'd like to think he does only for political reasons. First of all, we never had a Pandemic Response team until that Kenyan lawn jockey got into the White House. Secondly, Ambassador Bolton only let go of one person on that team, and the NIH performed their regular duties.

To conclude that one person could have made any difference in our situation today is totally ridiculous. That "team" would have still had to rely on blessings from the CDC and FDA to make any kind of moves, just like Trump did. They didn't have any legal authority to override Trump or any other agency.

Oh! Trump didn't act fast enough. That begs the question: what if we totally shutdown the country at every threat: SARS, Ebola, AIDS, West Niles Virus just to name a few? Where would our country have been before Covid?

The buck stops at the President, but only if it's a Republican President. The buck never stopped at the President for Fast and Furious. The buck never stopped at the President for the phony applications to spy on the Trump team. The buck didn't stop at the President for the so-called Russians rigging the election. The buck didn't stop at the President for the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson, and the Ferguson Effect that terrified many major cities and police departments. The buck didn't stop at the President when somebody hacked the DNC emails. Over 92,000 US death with SARS, and nobody even knew about it because DumBama was President and the media barely covered it.

But now.........NOW, the buck stops at the presidency, because the President just happens to be Donald Trump.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

Trump never disbanded your so-called pandemic response team. It was reduced in an overhaul of the NSC. Why do we have a CDC and NIH if that is not their function? Where do Fauci and Birx normally work?

As you should be aware, the CDC has very specific responsibility. The CDC is primarily concerned with communicable diseases, and epidemics. It is most involved with healthcare aspects of the epidemic. However there lots of other agencies involve because of huge scope of the response. The NIH is a broad base medical research center consisting of 27 institutes that do medical research on everything from ingrowing toenails to cancer. America's response to the pandemic required coordination between many agencies plus all the states. The state plans should have been meshed with the federal plans except there were no federal plans. Thus we had an almost constant argument over responsibilities. Most states assumed the feds would do more and the feds assume the states would do more. To this day, I don't think the states and federal government are together on testing.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

You'd like to think he does only for political reasons. First of all, we never had a Pandemic Response team until that Kenyan lawn jockey got into the White House. Secondly, Ambassador Bolton only let go of one person on that team, and the NIH performed their regular duties.

To conclude that one person could have made any difference in our situation today is totally ridiculous. That "team" would have still had to rely on blessings from the CDC and FDA to make any kind of moves, just like Trump did. They didn't have any legal authority to override Trump or any other agency.

Oh! Trump didn't act fast enough. That begs the question: what if we totally shutdown the country at every threat: SARS, Ebola, AIDS, West Niles Virus just to name a few? Where would our country have been before Covid?

The buck stops at the President, but only if it's a Republican President. The buck never stopped at the President for Fast and Furious. The buck never stopped at the President for the phony applications to spy on the Trump team. The buck didn't stop at the President for the so-called Russians rigging the election. The buck didn't stop at the President for the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson, and the Ferguson Effect that terrified many major cities and police departments. The buck didn't stop at the President when somebody hacked the DNC emails. Over 92,000 US death with SARS, and nobody even knew about it because DumBama was President and the media barely covered it.

But now.........NOW, the buck stops at the presidency, because the President just happens to be Donald Trump.

The pandemic response team consist of 17 members. Bolton actually dissolved the team and members were reassigned. We have no idea what happen to the pandemic response plan but we do know it was not available in Jan. 2020. Judging by the priority that Trump placed on preparing for a pandemic, it seems likely that it was shit canned. That plan could have solved so many problems and cut through tons of red tape. States would have known what to expect from the CDC and how to plan. Fights over responsibility, PPEs and test kits could have been resolved long before the pandemic. Decisions on minimum stockpiled PPEs and ventilators could have been made along with a procedure maintaining the stockpile. We could have had one the best responses to the pandemic instead one of the worst. If we had the kind of testing, quarantining and tracking we needed in March, we may been able to avoid much economic damage due to the virus.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

You'd like to think he does only for political reasons. First of all, we never had a Pandemic Response team until that Kenyan lawn jockey got into the White House. Secondly, Ambassador Bolton only let go of one person on that team, and the NIH performed their regular duties.

To conclude that one person could have made any difference in our situation today is totally ridiculous. That "team" would have still had to rely on blessings from the CDC and FDA to make any kind of moves, just like Trump did. They didn't have any legal authority to override Trump or any other agency.

Oh! Trump didn't act fast enough. That begs the question: what if we totally shutdown the country at every threat: SARS, Ebola, AIDS, West Niles Virus just to name a few? Where would our country have been before Covid?

The buck stops at the President, but only if it's a Republican President. The buck never stopped at the President for Fast and Furious. The buck never stopped at the President for the phony applications to spy on the Trump team. The buck didn't stop at the President for the so-called Russians rigging the election. The buck didn't stop at the President for the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson, and the Ferguson Effect that terrified many major cities and police departments. The buck didn't stop at the President when somebody hacked the DNC emails. Over 92,000 US death with SARS, and nobody even knew about it because DumBama was President and the media barely covered it.

But now.........NOW, the buck stops at the presidency, because the President just happens to be Donald Trump.

The pandemic response team consist of 17 members. Bolton actually dissolved the team and members were reassigned. We have no idea what happen to the pandemic response plan but we do know it was not available in Jan. 2020. Judging by the priority that Trump placed on preparing for a pandemic, it seems likely that it was shit canned. That plan could have solved so many problems and cut through tons of red tape. States would have known what to expect from the CDC and how to plan. Fights over responsibility, PPEs and test kits could have been resolved long before the pandemic. Decisions on minimum stockpiled PPEs and ventilators could have been made along with a procedure maintaining the stockpile. We could have had one the best responses to the pandemic instead one of the worst. If we had the kind of testing, quarantining and tracking we needed in March, we may been able to avoid much economic damage due to the virus.

The economic damage is caused by the country closing down. What would this super human Pandemic team have done to avoid that?

We only had one type of test kit when the pandemic started that had FDA approval, and those were the ones made by the CDC. Like anything government, it was a complete failure. Trump had to have people run around to see who in the private sector could help us. That wasn't Trumps fault, and there is no pandemic team that would have changed that.

You don't realize you are being played like a fiddle with this fantasy of the pandemic response team. The Democrats are using you people like sheep to try and promote the lie that everything is Trump's fault. They give you this crystal ball view of what would have happened if that one guy wasn't let go; like one person out of 7.5 billion people on this planet would have made all the difference in the world. You really have to start thinking these things through a little bit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone I get close enough to to infect, on the off chance I may have it, consented to me being that close to them.

Really? So the person in front of you in the grocery store checkout line got your consent to be two feet away from you?

I was a mean, anti-social person before this, I don't get that close to people anyway.
The only way you have to worry about what I have is when your wife comes home from my place, but at least she'll be in a good mood.
You're welcome.

Family is a no no little man.

You go so far as call him a man?

View attachment 337245

We were originally told to save PPE for healthcare.
The surgical clinic my wife works for is running short, so I see the use of N95 masks as unhelpful and selfish to our healthcare workers.
Anything less than a proper mask is useless and nothing but virtue signaling.

My niece made masks for everybody in the family. Of course, they are not N-95's. She told me not to worry as the fabric she created the masks from are pretty protective for myself and others. She suggested that if I wear it frequently, perhaps spray it with Lysol at the end of the day. Every other day use, if there is any Covid on it, it will die on it's own.

While she is only a waitress at a restaurant in Florida, she is also a college graduate with a biology degree, hoping for a break in a medical laboratory. I place my trust in her judgment and education her truck driver Uncle doesn't have.

I don't doubt your niece doesn't have a biology degree but I would ask her if she is sure about spraying the lysol into the mask. I had read in a science magazine you shouldn't do that but rather after wearing put it in sun for a few hours. I know where your located probably doesn't have the amount of daily sunlight we have in down here but ask her what she think's. I have N95 and regular surgical masks the surgical I throw away most of the time with one use but do put them in the sun for a few hours. The N95's I have I do find very restricted in my breathing but probably because I have copd. I only wear either or when I go into a store and will when I go to the doctor.

I'll ask her next time I see her, but her opinion is that if I only wear it every other day or so, no cleaning is required unless it's a personal desire. What I got off the internet is that the virus can last up to one day on paper and cloth products, but three days on plastic. Of course, as always, that is subject to change.

I don't wear the same one everyday and either place the one I took off in a paper bag or put it out in the sun for hours. I had bought my N95 at the end of January when I saw a letter from the Fl Dept of health to the Fl dept of Education. In early April when I saw things just might get out of hand ordered 50 of the surgical masks. I have thrown away about 10 of the surgical after wearing a couple times or if I went from one store to another. Maybe the lysol won't hurt you if you spray and then don't wear a few days.

Too bad the government didn't plan as well as you did.

They had the chance after all if the Fl Dept of health knew about it they had to have gotten their info from the Feds. BTW that letter said they had been monitoring it since end of November 2019.

The CIA informed the White House in December as to seriousness of outbreak in China and the likelihood that it would spread outside of China. In early January, the National Security Advisor met with Trump about the danger the virus posed to the US. Rick Bright testified before congress that he informed the head of HHS in January of the shortage of masks. The Pandemic Response Committed formed by Trump at end January was charged with looking into mask shortages. Apparently Trump had decided that managing the pandemic in the US was the responsibility of the states so the federal didn't order masks till late March. Too bad he didn't make this clear to the states back in January.

OK, now prove that Trump received that information. It was also contradicted by China's lies about the COVID-19.

A president gets all the information he wants to receive. The president's staff determines what to bring to his attention based on his priorities. If Donald Trump had determine that the pandemic was a high priority item, you can bet his staff would keep him informed. However, we all know Trump wants plausible deniability. How many times have we heard him say about his people and administration issues, "Don't know who that is", "Never heard that", "Never seen that". It seems quite obvious that in January and February, the President wanted to distance himself from the epidemic, downplay it's seriousness, and even deny it exist. He was gambling on it just fading away. Too bad he lost.

So what you're saying is that Trump did what Cuomo was doing, what Piglosi was doing, what DeBlazio was doing, what Fauci was doing. Did you know that during the first two weeks of March, the Democrats were trying to pass a bill to stop Trump from issuing travel bans? How serious were they taking it?

It's not the job of a governor nor Speaker of House to track a pandemic and create a national response. Despite what Trump might say, protecting the nation is his responsibility. Attempting to shift the blame for America's pitiful pandemic response to the democrats, Obama, the WHO, China, the governors, and our hospitals is not going to fly, no matter how many times Trump says it. The buck does stop with president.

No it does not, especially when our government agencies were mostly responsible. I never said it was the job of Governors, Mayors or the Speaker of the House. I'm merely pointing out that nobody had any idea how bad this could or would get. My father is 88 years old, and in spite of growing up in extreme poverty, he said he's never experienced anything like this in his life.

When we used to talk about the great economy under President Trump, the left always inserted how it was really Hussein's economy that Trump came in with. Now that we are facing such a crisis, don't bring anybody into the mix. The buck stops at the President. It's amazing.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Should I wear a mask? The U.S. infectious disease chief says no: "In the U.S. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask right now."

www.usatoday.com

Those agencies that you’re holding responsible are part of the Trump administration. They work for Trump. And their director serves at his pleasure. Their performance is his responsibility and that responsibility cannot transferred or denied. As a CEO, he is well aware of this but he wants you to believe that he bears no responsibility for what any his agencies do.

In regard to the US response to the virus, the responsibility falls directly on the president because he failed to make the response to virus a priority within his administration. In fact he did just opposite. He called the virus just the common flu. He ridiculed the news media for raising the alarm and called it a hoax. When the subject of the virus would come up he claimed it was all under control. When this is the opinion of your boss, how high a priority would you give it? The CDC sure didn’t give it much priority in getting test kits that worked and FEMA who’s responsible for maintaining supplies and equipment needed in a national emergency certainly did nothing to increase the stockpile of PPEs and ventilators.

In short, the president sets the policy and the agencies carry out the tasks needed to fulfill the president’s policy. And that just didn’t happen and there is no one to blame but the president.

You on the left keep trying that. But most voters don't have severe TDS. Trying to blame a President for a virus that came out of China and affected over 180 countries won't fly in November.

No one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are blaming him for his response to it. The US has the worst record in fighting the virus of all major nations and Trump bears the responsibility, not China, not Obama, not the democrats, not the governors, not the hospitals, or anyone else he's tried to blamed.

There is a lot of blame, mostly with our bureaucracies and agencies. They are the ones who held up any and all progress. I provided the links. And don't say the President can direct them to do things they refuse to do. He can't, and even if he could, what do you suppose the Democrats would be saying about Trump if he acted against their recommendations?

Our entire country is mired in red tape. That's what needs to change, virus or no virus. The only mistake Trump actually made was not closing down at least 80% of our bureaucracies and agencies when he first took office that we never needed in the first place.

An according to you none of the responsibility lies with the president, the commander and chief. If Donald Trump does not bear the responsibility for the planning and coordination of American's response to the virus, who does? Maybe it's his CDC director he appointed or his FEMA director he appointed or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, he appointed ? No, not any of these guys? I guess it's just the whole damn federal government that's responsible.

The fact is nobody was in charge and that's the heart of problem. Trump wanted to be in the limelight making all the major decisions and taking none of the responsibility. Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

I think it's working not bad really. HIs favorable ratings (considering the circumstance) are not doing too bad, and some even have his approval ratings higher than DumBama at the same time of his presidency. I heard a statistic on the radio yesterday (that I didn't actually checkout) that our stock market actually recovered 60% of it's losses, and the country is not nearly totally opened up yet.

I never said "none" of the responsibility lies with Trump, but much of it doesn't. Because he puts people into positions of our agencies and bureaucracies doesn't mean they are all "yes" men and women. On the flip side, you people are saying this is all about Trump and nobody else responsible.

So while Cuomo and DeBlazio were selling off their ventilators like hot cakes, then they looked for Trump to magically come enough for their hospitals. Who was responsible for that? Trump came up with them, he came up with enough beds for a potential overload of Covid patients, he provided it all in a matter of days or a week or so. He's doing an excellent job.

November is a little less than 6 months away. A lot can change (good or bad) by then. So if you're going to put money on whether Trump serves a second term or not, make sure it's money you can afford to lose. After all, look at who your contender is.

Who is responsible for the management and coordination of the federal agencies? I really don't know. Trump's job seems to be that of a commentator about the shortfalls of government, the media, and democratic party. His primary roll when he meets with the pandemic response team seems to be to make comments about the issues, some pertinent and some inane, leaving it to various agents to decide what to do. However, whoever is responsible for management and coordination should be fired for gross incompetence. There is no excuse for the CDC to distribute test kits that can't be processed by the states. And even worse the CDC sending test kits out that the FDA does not allow to be processed, failing to order reagents needed to build test kits, and no PPE's for labs or instructions as to how to process tests. This is nuts.

Who said, I thought Trump would lose the election.. The odds are he will win the election, not because of his brilliant leadership, or his reduction in the size of government which he has actually increased nor anything else he promised but because Americans usually vote for the incumbent following the old adage, "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't."

At the very least, I'm glad you can come to the understanding of the actual responsible parties involved here. However we do not live in an autocracy, and were never founded on that. Our federal government is operated by giving a President only so much power. We also have a House, a Senate, bureaucracies and agencies, most of whom played a part in all this.

Who said you thought Trump would lose the election? You did! Here is your exact quote only a few posts from this one:

Trump's famous "not my responsibility" reply ain't going to work in November.

Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was like an enormous orchestra full of talented players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and without a conductor. Even worst, they had no sheet music. Trump took care that by disbanding the pandemic response team whose job was to create a pandemic response plan.

The primary problem in the US response is two fold. First there was no game plan for dealing with the pandemic and second there was no project manager. What that meant is the responsibilities within agencies and between the states and federal government had to be establish, along with coordination between all federal agencies and states, and other parties. Second, Trump formed a committee to deal with the epidemic; however, the committee was essentially just advisors to the president. There was no "czar" or project manager to coordinate between a half dozen federal agencies and 50 states. It was a project without a plan and without a manger. It was doomed to fail, which it did and Donald Trump is the primary reason it failed so badly.

You're correct in saying the president has limited powers. However, within the executive branch itself, the president has broad powers to manage the workings of the federal government. The president can issue rules, regulations and instructions, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies, and within limits establish by congress he can move funds in the budget to finance a project as needed. The heads of ever agency involved in the response to pandemic were appointed by Trump and serve at his please. Trump is the boss and he bears full responsibility for the poor response of the federal government to the epidemic.

Trump never disbanded your so-called pandemic response team. It was reduced in an overhaul of the NSC. Why do we have a CDC and NIH if that is not their function? Where do Fauci and Birx normally work?

As you should be aware, the CDC has very specific responsibility. The CDC is primarily concerned with communicable diseases, and epidemics. It is most involved with healthcare aspects of the epidemic. However there lots of other agencies involve because of huge scope of the response. The NIH is a broad base medical research center consisting of 27 institutes that do medical research on everything from ingrowing toenails to cancer. America's response to the pandemic required coordination between many agencies plus all the states. The state plans should have been meshed with the federal plans except there were no federal plans. Thus we had an almost constant argument over responsibilities. Most states assumed the feds would do more and the feds assume the states would do more. To this day, I don't think the states and federal government are together on testing.

Right. If this so-called response team were in charge of coordinating efforts around the country, why did they allow NYC to sell off many of their ventilators? Why did they let the depleted medical stockpile remain under stock? Seems to me they didn't do their job.

 

[teddyearp]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others.<snip>

Yup. The N95 mask will 100% prevent one from contracting the controlyavirus just like a condom will 100% prevent pregnancy. And Greta Thunberg is now a medical expert.

Keep up the laughs.