Why a Conservative America is a Myth

[midcan5]

"....Democrats may win an election here or there, but at its most fundamental level, conventional political wisdom assumes America is a conservative country: hostile to government, in favor of unregulated markets, at peace with inequality, desirous of a foreign policy based on the projection of military power, and traditional in its social values.

This report demonstrates the inaccuracy of that picture of America. Media perceptions and past Republican electoral successes notwithstanding, Americans are progressive across a wide range of controversial issues, and they're growing more progressive all the time."

Media Matters - The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth


"Everything Americans think they know, they learned from a televised morality play. It's all theater. You root for some good guy and boo some bad guy. You pick your own, but you dance to the tune of the men running the show. It's mind control, pure and simple, and if there is an American immune to it, then he is probably living in a snow cave somewhere in Alaska." Gypsy Joe Hess (1919-1988), prospector, self-educated philosopher and horse trader

 

[sealybobo]

No, most people agree with liberals, for the most part. It's the Conservative's spin on what we say and do that confuses people. People think we love to give crack mothers welfare and we want to take guns away.

And the social conservatives are a minority too. The people calling the FCC to ban Howard Stearn are really a minority.

Bush didn't actually win 2000 or 2004. They stole it.

And the metropolis' are liberal. The bible belt may be conservative but they don't produce squat, except cotton and tobacco.

Every great thing that happened to this country was due to progressive movements.

Washington was a Progressive. The conservatives wanted to stay with England.

 

[editec]

Push comes to shove I think you'll find most Americans want the same OUTCOMES for themselves, their children, and their nation.

Their differences are really how to arrive at that state.

 

[sealybobo]

Push comes to shove I think you'll find most Americans want the same OUTCOMES for themselves, their children, and their nation.

Their differences are really how to arrive at that state.

True. I don't want the GOP's "survival of the fittest" plan. Even if I succeed, which I would, I don't want to see 90% of America struggle like that and see people die without dignity because the GOP wants to do away with Social Security, and things like that.

Ed Schultz was talking about that last night on Air America Radio AM station. He said, "social security isn't the problem, it's what the politicians are doing to social security that is the problem." Social Security is a great plan.

PS. McCain was against the lock box for social security. In other words, he approved of spending the funds on other things. Probably because he wants to do away with it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, most people agree with liberals, for the most part. It's the Conservative's spin on what we say and do that confuses people. People think we love to give crack mothers welfare and we want to take guns away.

And the social conservatives are a minority too. The people calling the FCC to ban Howard Stearn are really a minority.

Bush didn't actually win 2000 or 2004. They stole it.

And the metropolis' are liberal. The bible belt may be conservative but they don't produce squat, except cotton and tobacco.

Every great thing that happened to this country was due to progressive movements.

Washington was a Progressive. The conservatives wanted to stay with England.

Yup, the Bush guys were smart enough to steal 3 elections and then suddenly forgot how in 2006. You keep claiming that, you dumb shit.

 

[sealybobo]

Yup, the Bush guys were smart enough to steal 3 elections and then suddenly forgot how in 2006. You keep claiming that, you dumb shit.

Bush clearly doesn't care about the GOP party. He's done. He got his. He did things the GOP begged him not to do. And now the Republicans in office are trying to distance themselves from the president. They occasionally vote against him now to show they are not Bush lap dogs. Too late!!!

And we are watching carefully now. It'll be hard to steal another one, dumb ass.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Bush clearly doesn't care about the GOP party. He's done. He got his. He did things the GOP begged him not to do. And now the Republicans in office are trying to distance themselves from the president. They occasionally vote against him now to show they are not Bush lap dogs. Too late!!!

And we are watching carefully now. It'll be hard to steal another one, dumb ass.

LOL, if there were any proof he stole any election we would have seen it by now you fucking moron. What are you? 12? Yup we can not make a secret plan to spy on Iran BUT Bush can steal elections and no one is the wiser.

Same machines in 2006 as in 2004. But hey you keep making that claim that you were to stupid to catch them cheating you out of Nation wide elections. Sounds so much better then you retards couldn't find someone a Majority of the population would vote for.

By the way dumb shit, are you aware Clinton never won with even 49 percent of the vote?

 

[William Joyce]

Well, it's an interesting attempt by the far-left "Media Matters" folks to say they've got the majority, but I don't know how well it holds up. First, it's true that Americans love government. They want more and bigger bureaucracy, not less. But when you consider that big government has been with us since FDR, it might not be wild-eyed liberalism driving that attitude, but good ol' preference for the way things are. Next, Americans not caring about taxes is, to me, a sign that they're RESIGNED to them, not that they love them.

And so on.

Curious they don't mention race.

 

[Charles_Main]

Bush clearly doesn't care about the GOP party. He's done. He got his. He did things the GOP begged him not to do. And now the Republicans in office are trying to distance themselves from the president. They occasionally vote against him now to show they are not Bush lap dogs. Too late!!!

And we are watching carefully now. It'll be hard to steal another one, dumb ass.

We finally agree on something. So if this is the case, why do you guys keep blaming Bushes BS on the GOP and Conservatives again?

I am a Conservative who thinks Bush is a Moron, and Anything but a Conservative.

 

[greenpartyaz]

Midcan is a brilliant mind, I gain more respect for him by each post.

 

[Mr. Right]

This is a conservative country. Based on what is conservative today. We like our traditions. We like our language.

Our media and education system, are loaded with liberals and leftist thought.

I fear liberalism and it's lack of open mindedness. I am fearful that the liberalism of the 60's will erode into a socialist totalitarianism. One only has to look at Germany in the 30's and see that this is not only possible but probable.

I see today's hard left soft on our enemies. This will leave us vulnerable and weakened.

If you look at the culture, the left has been incrementally been taking over. I see this ideology as nothing more than a cancer. If America is to survive, a drastic alternative to our left is imperative.

 

[midcan5]

This is a conservative country. Based on what is conservative today. We like our traditions. We like our language.

I hope you are young as that was about as off base as one could get. American people have always been liberal socially, in the other areas the jury is mixed. Germany was fascist which is closer to conservatism than any left leaning ideology.

Gore won in 2000, he won the popular vote and probably won the election in Florida. Imagine for a moment if the SC hadn't selected W how many less tears there would be in the world. How many parents and children would have their father mother son or daughter. Many claimed in 2000 the choice didn't matter. That lesson was learned the hard way. Sad, such a small man got to so high a place.


"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

 

[editec]

Saner Americans (and probably few of us reading this post qualify) are neither liberal nor conservative, they are pragmatists.

Americans who suport the so called conservatives generally do so because they feel that the policies proposed and supported by so called conservatives, serve their interests best.

Likewise with those who indentify themselves as so called liberals.

But what we all should know by now is that the POLs who claim to stand for conservative social philosophies or liberal social philosophies are bascially frauds when it comes to them standing for the basica tenents of either conservatism or liberalism.

I THINK most Americans are finally waking up to that fact as they are going broke thanks to BOTH PARTIES.

That is why issues with little real importance to the nation as a whole (abortion, gun control, homosexual issues, flag lapel pins, and symbolic but irrelevant crap like that) get so much press time, while truly important issues bearly make the news.

These parties know, that sans those insignificant issues, there's really isn't all that much difference between these so called parties.

 

[Mr. Right]

I hope you are young as that was about as off base as one could get. American people have always been liberal socially, in the other areas the jury is mixed. Germany was fascist which is closer to conservatism than any left leaning ideology.

Gore won in 2000, he won the popular vote and probably won the election in Florida. Imagine for a moment if the SC hadn't selected W how many less tears there would be in the world. How many parents and children would have their father mother son or daughter. Many claimed in 2000 the choice didn't matter. That lesson was learned the hard way. Sad, such a small man got to so high a place.


"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

This is why if given the chance, your leftism would nationalise all or most industry.

Wouldn't this marriage between industry and gov't along with the social cause be deemed as Fascist?

No sir it is the right who currently are open minded and are standing up to the evil forces that threaten all of our rights as free people.

One only has to look on any campus to figure out that there is no academic freedom. If you are "right", you are not tolerated.

Your quest for equality is your downfall. Equality is unattainable. Justice is another story.

You want everything equal. And equally miserable we will be if you and those who think like you have your way.

Your side is on the wrong side of history once again.

Aaron Burr won the election.

Richard Nixon beat Kennedy in 60'.

Do you really want to re-write history that badly?

Bush won on 00'

He also won in 04'

He's not a conservative. He hasn't governed like one either.

He hijacked the lefts agenda and spent other people's money like Huey Long on Steroids.

Now we have to pay for him and the liberals.

There is only one agenda dominating Washington. One World Government.

Consolidation of currency is the first goal.

Be careful of what you wish for. It is coming and when every-one's equal and standing in line for Toilet paper. You'll be wishing you were paying $4 a gallon for gas instead of riding that bicycle and breathing the clean air.

The lefts goal is to make everything too expensive and then they can take care of you.

Your system can't make it. It goes against human nature.

Capitalism is the solution for every major problem not politicians or gov't.

I believe people can solve their own problems. You believe we need to take money from those who earn it in order to make those who do nothing feel better about who they are or what they become.

I have faith in people. You don't.

[I can prove that statement.]

 

[midcan5]

This is why if given the chance, your leftism would nationalise all or most industry.

Wouldn't this marriage between industry and gov't along with the social cause be deemed as Fascist?

Sounds like you've been reading the right wingnut bible too long. Have you ever heard a liberal call for nationalizing business, regulating it will suffice. And K street is married to both parties just a little less so to the democrats. And just because Bush has been a failure is no reason to throw him under the bus. He is an example of conservatism in action. Capitalism is for the poor people, socialism is for the rich, you do notice who it is that gets bailed out when they screw up? Bush, SLAs, Investment firms, the poor get coupons to walmart. If you have faith in people you won't vote for McCain.


A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

 

[William Joyce]

This is a conservative country. Based on what is conservative today. We like our traditions. We like our language.

But we don't love them enough to FIGHT for them, and that is the problem. We let liberals and leftists -- and sometimes, morons like Bush -- talk us out of them on grounds that it's "fair" or "nice."

McCain has a new ad, calling Hispanics "God's children."

So what the fuck are we, creamed corn? America has to die under suffocating layers of 30 million Hispanics because McCain's got the giddies about the little brown people and how special they are.

Fuck you, John McCain. Fuck you, Republican establishment. Fuck all these whistlers.

There's only one thing to conserve, and that's your people. If you don't conserve that, you're not conserving anything.

 

[editec]

But we don't love them enough to FIGHT for them, and that is the problem. We let liberals and leftists -- and sometimes, morons like Bush -- talk us out of them on grounds that it's "fair" or "nice."

McCain has a new ad, calling Hispanics "God's children."

So what the fuck are we, creamed corn? America has to die under suffocating layers of 30 million Hispanics because McCain's got the giddies about the little brown people and how special they are.

Fuck you, John McCain. Fuck you, Republican establishment. Fuck all these whistlers.

There's only one thing to conserve, and that's your people. If you don't conserve that, you're not conserving anything.

You are a ahir's bradth away from getting it.

Her's where you keep getting confused.

We let liberals and leftists -- and sometimes, morons like Bush -- talk us out of them on grounds that it's "fair" or "nice."

the people you are talking about do NOT represent liberalism, any more than Bush rep[resents conservatism.

Really must you demonize millions of people just because you have been force fed this liberal bullshit probably you whole life?

Do you not READ what the liberals are actually saying?

What you describe them as believing, they do not subscribe to.

Honestly, as long as we have conservtives thinking liberalism is the communism, and idiotic liberals thinking every conservative eats minorities babies for breakfast, the INTERNATIONALIST BASTARDS SUPERRICH BASTARDS (LIKE BUSH) keep winning.

You fellow Americans are NOT the enemy, folks.

 

[Mr. Right]

Sounds like you've been reading the right wingnut bible too long. Have you ever heard a liberal call for nationalizing business, regulating it will suffice. And K street is married to both parties just a little less so to the democrats. And just because Bush has been a failure is no reason to throw him under the bus. He is an example of conservatism in action. Capitalism is for the poor people, socialism is for the rich, you do notice who it is that gets bailed out when they screw up? Bush, SLAs, Investment firms, the poor get coupons to walmart. If you have faith in people you won't vote for McCain.


A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

Poor is a state of mind.

Liberals like to make "poor" a permanent condition by having a nice safety net to catch who ever falls.

I'm not throwing Bush under any bus. I'm just calling it like it is, he's a globalist who hijacked socialism to get votes for term 2.

You are right, McCain is a liberal as well. But less liberal than O'Bama. We can't afford either of them.

Oh and what you call regulation is what I call gov't control.

If our country would have allowed our Oil companies to drill everywhere, capitalism would thrive and we wouldn't be going through any of this. As usual the "D's" fight free markets at every turn and we get inflation and more poverty.

Who benefits when things go bad?

Democrats.

The right messed up buy governing like Democrats. They lost in 06'. Look where it has gotten us. 2 years after Pelosi and Reid take over, Oil doubles in price. And they can blame Bush.

They create a stumbling economy and then assign blame. Then they can capitalise and create even more dependents making them more powerful.

Can you see the cycle?

Both political parties have a hand in this.

If politicians solved problems, you wouldn't need them anymore.

I'm against bailouts of any kind.

When the gov't bails out a company, we will eventually pay for it.

When we bail out those who signed up for too much house or all interest loans, we reward them by bailing them out.

This is ridiculus. There are no consequences anymore. No wonder things are so expensive.

In closing I'd just like to say,,

DRILL HERE - DRILL NOW - PAY LESS

 

[Charles_Main]

Sounds like you've been reading the right wingnut bible too long. Have you ever heard a liberal call for nationalizing business, regulating it will suffice. And K street is married to both parties just a little less so to the democrats. And just because Bush has been a failure is no reason to throw him under the bus. He is an example of conservatism in action. Capitalism is for the poor people, socialism is for the rich, you do notice who it is that gets bailed out when they screw up? Bush, SLAs, Investment firms, the poor get coupons to walmart. If you have faith in people you won't vote for McCain.


A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

Yes infact not a week ago I heard a Junior liberal Democrat congress woman call for the Nationalizing of all American Oil refineries. I believe it was on Cavutos show.

Was pretty shocking to hear actually.

 

[Mr. Right]

But we don't love them enough to FIGHT for them, and that is the problem. We let liberals and leftists -- and sometimes, morons like Bush -- talk us out of them on grounds that it's "fair" or "nice."

McCain has a new ad, calling Hispanics "God's children."

So what the fuck are we, creamed corn? America has to die under suffocating layers of 30 million Hispanics because McCain's got the giddies about the little brown people and how special they are.

Fuck you, John McCain. Fuck you, Republican establishment. Fuck all these whistlers.

There's only one thing to conserve, and that's your people. If you don't conserve that, you're not conserving anything.

130 Years a go there were signs that said IRISH need not apply.

There were editorials that read, "Immigration is out of control."


I'm sorry but I now see you for what you are, a biggot.