They've apparently been using it for decades in various military applications. Other countries are also using it, including the US, just not for nearly as long. Iran is not the Taliban.
Who thinks that the Iranian WMD program was destroyed?
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They've apparently been using it for decades in various military applications. Other countries are also using it, including the US, just not for nearly as long. Iran is not the Taliban.
AZrailwhale
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Don’t be stupid.
zaangalewa
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I will never understand why stupid US-Americans think the NATO is their property. The NATO is a defense alliance. And the USA left this defense alliance under Donald Trump because it is no reliable partner any longer. And with the Iran has the NATO nothing to do - except the Iran starts a war against a member of the NATO. But in case of the attack of the USA the USA broke the international laws by attacking the Iran. So no one has to help the USA in a war against the Iran which the USA started. Again: The NATO is a defense alliance. If Israel would be a member of the NATO then this could perhaps be another theme - but Israel is no member of the NATO.
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zaangalewa
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No idea whether this would really be a threat
Of what treaty do you speak and what's written there?
Okay. ... What do you think made the reunion of Germany possible? A military strong Germany or a military weak Germany? I tell you: a military weak Germany. We lost us into our reunion by being not taken serios any longer - from no one - specially not from the USA and Russia. You see in the reunion of Germany a victory of the USA and so it may be. But indeed you was in the beginning of this process an enemy of the reunion of Germany. Only within a very small window of some weeks or months the winners of World War 2 agreed to the reunion of Germany. This was a diplomatic masterpiece which shows to you: Not only Death is a master from Germany.
Ich bin gekommen - um Ihnen mitzuteilen - dass heute - ihr Ausreise ... [lauter Jubel]
Hans Dietrich Genscher in September 30th 1989
I have come - to tell you - that today - your departure ... [loud cheers]
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kyzr
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The JCPOA had an end date, after which Iran had no restrictions on developing nuclear weapons. Trump said "no nukes ever", and did not hesitate to bomb their enrichment facilities. Now Iran needs to decide to keep working on bombs, or work on prosperity for their people.
1. There is some evidence that after the 2017 tax cuts tax revenue increased, there is no evidence "it ran in the opposite direction"
2. The BBB imposes a 3% Remittance Tax on money sent out of the US to pay for the wall. Promise kept. Congress had to impose the new tax.
3. Tariffs have not caused inflation. I know democrat commies like free stuff, just tax the shit out of the rich, but capitalism works best when tariffs are fair to all partners. To his credit Trump is fixing trade deals to be fair to US manufacturers, especially US car manufacturers, who democrats shit on.
kyzr
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NATO is US property because we paid for it. When EU deadbeats increase military spending then they can open their mouths.
The word "partner" implies shared spending. The EU deadbeats should kiss Trump's ass for not leaving them fend for themselves
zaangalewa
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You are extremely stupid. A defense alliance no one owns. A defense alliance is the expression of a common will.
You pay a lot of money to your army - why such a lot of money knows indeed no one - and Germany for example pays the same money to the organisation "NATO" as you do. The budget of the organisation NATO is about 1-2 billions.
Your list is by the way incomplete. Where is Turkey for example? And the military household of Germany in 2024 had been 88 billions and not 44 billions. Did you pay last year 1.2 trillions? Then the relations would be correct.
(2024 was the date for the 2% agreement of the NATO which was made when Barack Obama had been president of the USA. At this time of history Germany agreed only with 1.5% as far as I know. Whatever Donald Trump said at whatever moment of history was always only bullshit).
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That is all excellent and relieving news, but the leftists would rather believe what Islamic terrorists say.It is not from the Kiddie Table of the DISGUSTING FILTH or Amateur Hour Novices.... Try this on for size
Iran Update Special Report, June 24, 2025, Evening Edition
Israel conducted a two-week air campaign with the objective of degrading, destroying and removing the threat of Iran’s nuclear program.www.understandingwar.org
The Institute for Science and International Security assessed that US and Israeli strikes on Iran have “effectively destroyed” Iran’s enrichment program.[16] The Institute said it will take a “long time” for Iran to restore its enrichment capabilities to pre-strike levels. This assessment is based on the destruction Iran suffered at Natanz nuclear facility, Fordow nuclear facility, Esfahan Nuclear Technology Center and the elimination of many nuclear scientists.[17] The six entry point craters for the US bunker-buster bombs at Fordow were above two weak points, and the bombs would have detonated within the facility.[18] The Institute for Science and International Security assesses that the bomb blast would have been channeled by the centrifuge cascade hall’s side walls, which would have destroyed all of the installed centrifuges there.[19] International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) battle damage assessments indicate that Israeli strikes also likely damaged or destroyed several thousand centrifuges at Natanz.[20] Israel and the United States conducted airstrikes targeting the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant above ground and Fuel Enrichment Plant underground at Natanz, respectively.[21] The IAEA added that it was possible that uranium isotopes may have been dispersed within the facility (though not outside), which would make it difficult to access.[22] This means it may be some time before even the Iranians can determine the true extent of the damage.
kyzr
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You were the one who said
"I will never understand why stupid US-Americans think the NATO is their property."
I showed you how stupid that statement was by agreeing with you.
Paying for the NATO offices would not help if Putin invaded a NATO country would it? The NATO commitment is 2% to 5% of GDP for the military. Which is why Trump said we would not help countries who do not meet their military commitment, and why Rutte said Trump strengthened NATO.
You can google many different ways.
zaangalewa
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The NATO "guideline" was 2024. In 2010 Germany was at 1.2% of the GDP and in 2024 Germany had 1.9%. But when we also calculate the help for the Ukraine in the social sector then it was much more than 2% what we payed for defense. In general it could be the military households are not really comparable. I have a feeling in the military household of the USA exist perhaps also hidden social costs compared with the military household of Germany. If so - no problem for me. But the eternal and super stupid rumblings of the criminal traitor Donald Trump, which lack any realistic basis, eventually annoy everyone so much that they no longer want to have anything to do with the USA.
I hope you know that Donald Trumps victory over the NATO "5% up to 2035" means the USA has to spend 50% more for their defense than today. And this 50% are absolutelly 50%. If the USA has to spend today this 50% more - what other sectors of the US-American household have to be reduced to give this money? No problem for Donald Trump? Sure! But perhaps a serios problem for many other US-Americans. About 500 billions now. How do you like to restructure your households to set about 500 billions free for your military household? ... No ... don't give me an answer ... In the end I will feel sorry for the people in the USA who finally achieve what they say they want, but don't really want, because it tears a deep hole in their finances. In average this are costs of ~$1500 a year for every citizen of the USA compared to today's purchasing power.
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kyzr
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Be careful what you wish for. If the US bails on the EU Putin moves in.
Please don't lecture the US on military spending. We both know that the EU countries will never come close to meeting 5%. If they get close to matching the US its a win.
Toddsterpatriot
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Because you read about it somewhere?
zaangalewa
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His problem.
I lectured nothing - I calculated what it means for the USA what Donald Trump is doing.
No idea what you speak about. Which meeting?
Can you tell me anything that is endearing about Trump's USA?
AZrailwhale
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NATO is an alliance, but not one of equals. The USA has always bore the brunt of the costs in manpower, equipment and dollars. What Trump did was to shift SOME of those costs to the NATO partners over time.
AZrailwhale
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West Germany was one of the strongest NATO members, EAST Germany was one of the weakest Warsaw pact members. The USA promoted a strong Germany somewhat to the dismay of the French who were Germany's historical enemies. What weakened Germany after reunification was trying to bring East Germany and East Germans up to modern western standards and repair the environmental damage done by the Soviets. East Germany was building the horrible and horribly polluting Trabant while West Germany was producing world leading cars like Mercedez-Benz and BMW.
My guess based upon the tenor of your postings is that you live in what was East Germany.
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kyzr
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You keep whining about Trump with no basis for criticism. Trump has been right about everything, about the EU buying gas from Putin, about EU deadbeats not paying 2%, about strengthening NATO by paying more than 2%. If Putin attacks a NATO country who will NATO be calling??
No, your problem. Back to the Iron Curtain days.
The US is not delinquent in meeting 2% of GDP. When the EU matches the US in military spending we'll talk again.
Meeting the 5% of GDP.
NATO allies agree to boost defense spending to 5% at The Hague summit
In a press conference before heading back to Washington, Trump struck a conciliatory tone as he sought to harvest praise for the spending boost.
www.defensenews.com
Trump's USA is keeping China at bay, Russia at bay, Iran from getting nukes, North Korea at bay, relative peace in the Middle East with the Abraham Accords, energy prices down, is strengthening NATO, is advancing AI and global trade. Trump is the best president ever, especially after a moron like Joe Biden.
Trump has had a FANTASTIC couple of weeks: he set back the nuclear ambitions of the Iranian Terrorist Regime by years….he negotiated a cease-fire between Iran and Israel….he got NATO partners to pitch in their fair share….the stock market is at a record high….inflation is low….CBS has to fork over $30 million for trying to influence the election against Trump by covering for Kamala’s idiocy….the SCOTUS ruled that local judges cannot issue national injunctions….and I even think he got a new cap!You keep whining about Trump with no basis for criticism. Trump has been right about everything, about the EU buying gas from Putin, about EU deadbeats not paying 2%, about strengthening NATO by paying more than 2%. If Putin attacks a NATO country who will NATO be calling??
No, your problem. Back to the Iron Curtain days.
The US is not delinquent in meeting 2% of GDP. When the EU matches the US in military spending we'll talk again.
Meeting the 5% of GDP.
NATO allies agree to boost defense spending to 5% at The Hague summit
In a press conference before heading back to Washington, Trump struck a conciliatory tone as he sought to harvest praise for the spending boost.
Trump's USA is keeping China at bay, Russia at bay, Iran from getting nukes, North Korea at bay, relative peace in the Middle East with the Abraham Accords, energy prices down, is strengthening NATO, is advancing AI and global trade. Trump is the best president ever, especially after a moron like Joe Biden.
No wonder the radical left is going nuts.
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So true...
ColonelAngus
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I think it was destroyed, but I also think it can be rebuilt.
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They are only copying the ones Russia has made. It's not any different than making a cake from the box.
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