Is it doublethink or non-binary think?

[toomuchtime_]

Ok. kyzr , do you see contradiction between those two statements?
1) Iran is too weak to survive the blockade.
2) Iran is strong enough to survive US retaliation strike.

There is no contradiction,

George Orwell in his 1984 described "doublethink" as ability to change one's mind between two mutually contradictory statements by using some mental tricks and self-control. Victor Pelevin described "non-binary think" as a skill to ignore even most obvious contradictions at all.

So, there are some guys who more or less simultaneously believe (or just say so) in two contradictory statements:
1) Iranian society is so divided, weak and undetermined, that it will collapse even because of extended blockade and some economic problems.
2) Iranian society is so united, determined and unselfish (some use term "freaking lunatics"), that they won't afraid even massive retaliation nuclear strike and will definitely and immediately attack the USA as soon as they acquire this possibility.

So, here is the question: How do you manage to keep two those statements in your heads? Are you turning between them using some mental or intellectual tricks or you just don't see the contradition?

There is no contradiction. Everyone understans that the regime has been severely weakened and its milirary degraded by military and economic pressure from the US and Israel, and no one belives the regime will be strong enough too strike the US as long as the allies continue to apply this pressure.

 

[kyzr]

Ok. kyzr , do you see contradiction between those two statements?
1) Iran is too weak to survive the blockade.
2) Iran is strong enough to survive US retaliation strike.

If you are replying to my post #4,
1) The US blockade along with other financial sanctions are hurting Iran's finances.
Eventually, after ~3 months, Iran would collapse according to the US CIA.
If oil wells don't keep pumping they lose capacity, that loss of future revenue would doom Iran.

2) Copying from my post #4:
"If the extremists attack the US they will be exterminated." ("exterminated" means dead)

I don't see any contradiction either. Thanks for confirming.....toomuchtime!

 

[Zavulon]

If you are replying to my post #4,
1) The US blockade along with other financial sanctions are hurting Iran's finances.
Eventually, after ~3 months, Iran would collapse according to the US CIA.

It's simply not true. CIA said, that Iran would be able to stand blockade at least months before they start feel some difficulties. But "difficulties" doesn't mean "imminent collapse". They don't predict it.

CIA Assesses that Iran Can Withstand US Blockade for Months | The Libertarian Institute

The CIA provided an assessment to the White House that Iran would be able to hold out against the US blockade for months before suffering more severe economic hardships. President Donald Trump has claimed that the blockade will force Tehran to comply with his demands. Four people familiar with the…

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And IF Iranians are fanatics, they will ignore this possible inconvenience.

If oil wells don't keep pumping they lose capacity, that loss of future revenue would doom Iran.

2) Copying from my post #4:
"If the extremists attack the US they will be exterminated." ("exterminated" means dead)

They do know that, so they won't attack the USA if the USA doesn't attack them. That's what we call detterence.
Do you believe, that Iran would start some pretty complicated kind of attack, just to be destroyed?

 

[Zavulon]

There is no contradiction,

There is no contradiction. Everyone understans that the regime has been severely weakened and its milirary degraded by military and economic pressure from the US and Israel, and no one belives the regime will be strong enough too strike the US as long as the allies continue to apply this pressure.

So, if regime is too weak to stand the pressure, how it can be strong enough to commit suicide by deliberately attacking the USA, without being attacked, blockaded or sanctioned first?

 

[kyzr]

It's simply not true. CIA said, that Iran would be able to stand blockade at least months before they start feel some difficulties. But "difficulties" doesn't mean "imminent collapse". They don't predict it. And IF Iranians are fanatics, they will ignore this possible inconvenience.

We'll see. Its not just the loss of revenue, its also the loss of functioning oil well capacity.
If oil wells don't pump they stop producing oil permanently. Iran's wells are primarily in carbonate-reservoirs very susceptible to flow loss if not pumped.

They do know that, so they won't attack the USA if the USA doesn't attack them. That's what we call deterrence.
Do you believe, that Iran would start some pretty complicated kind of attack, just to be destroyed?

Iran needs things can go from bad to catastrophic if they attack the US.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So, if regime is too weak to stand the pressure, how it can be strong enough to commit suicide by deliberately attacking the USA, without being attacked, blockaded or sanctioned first?

There is no contradiction because no one believes both things.

 

[Zavulon]

We'll see. Its not just the loss of revenue, its also the loss of functioning oil well capacity.
If oil wells don't pump they stop producing oil permanently. Iran's wells are primarily in carbonate-reservoirs very susceptible to flow loss if not pumped.

Did I say, that US blockade won't harm them at all? No, I believe it might cause certain problems. What I actually said, is that massive US nuclear strike will definitely cause much more significant problems. Like the death 30 to 90% of Iranians. If you believe that your neighbour hate you so much, that even believable threat of his death can't deter him, and prevent his breaking and entering, why do you think, that $100 fine could possibly stop him?

Iran needs things can go from bad to catastrophic if they attack the US.

Everybody knows that in the case of a nuclear attack against the USA, retaliation might be pretty catastrophic.

 

[Zavulon]

There is no contradiction because no one believes both things.

Do you mean, that it's neither "double-think", nor "non-binary think", but simply old fashioned lie? But for what possible reason could kyzr (or anybody else) lie to a random guy in the Internet?