Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[Hafar1014]

So going back to Epicurus.

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Would you rather be mindless ant or a free human being.

 

[JoeB131]

Would you rather be mindless ant or a free human being.

I don't see ants grovelling in front of an imaginary sky pixie every sunday.

Now that's 'Mindless".

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't see ants grovelling in front of an imaginary sky pixie every sunday.

Now that's 'Mindless".

The communist atheist nations USSR Red China and Cambodia slaughtered over 120 million people. You believe in nothing and those who believe in nothing will believe in anything

 

[JoeB131]

The communist atheist nations USSR Red China and Cambodia slaughtered over 120 million people. You believe in nothing and those who believe in nothing will believe in anything

Well, besides the bizarre nature of those numbers (you only get there if you count famines and wars) it should be pointed out that Christian Capitalists have an equally shoddy record.

The near complete extermination of Native Americans after Columbus
The near-complete extermination of Aboriginal Australians after British Colonization
2 million people were slaughtered in the Belgian Congo, enriching Leopold II.

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, besides the bizarre nature of those numbers (you only get there if you count famines and wars) it should be pointed out that Christian Capitalists have an equally shoddy record.

The near complete extermination of Native Americans after Columbus
The near-complete extermination of Aboriginal Australians after British Colonization
2 million people were slaughtered in the Belgian Congo, enriching Leopold II.

Nope the communists intentionally starved their people Stalin 30 million Mao 80 million. Atheist communism is the most destructive government in human history. The concept of God does have value. Unless youre a Muslim.
The atheists communists are the world champions of mass slaughter by the numbers. I have even included covid

 

[DGS49]

For the record, the decimation of the native population in middle America was not the result of conquest, but rather diseases that were innocently passed on to the natives from Europeans. In exchange, they gave us STD's and tobacco. Fair exchange, I guess. The total death tolls were similar.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope the communists intentionally starved their people Stalin 30 million Mao 80 million. Atheist communism is the most destructive government in human history. The concept of God does have value. Unless youre a Muslim.
The atheists communists are the world champions of mass slaughter by the numbers. I have even included covid

It was the Communist's fault that Trump completely fumbled the response to Covid?

Interesting. Because China did all the things that Trump refused to do, and they managed to contain the disease despite being the first country hit.

But let's look at your other silly numbers.

First, Stalin. Yes, the Ukrainian Famine was bad, but it was probably only about 3.5 million, and a lot of that was due to natural causes. Others were following bad ideas like Trophim Lyssenko's belief that if you plant crops closer together, you can increase yeilds. (This was in the days before modern nitrate fertilizers, when you had to rely on what the soil could actually support.)

As for China. Some of the CCP's actions contributed to the Great Famine. (which probably killed 15-30 million people) The policy of killing Sparrows under the "Four Pests" campaign caused the insect population to explode, for instance. Local officials tried to gain favor in Beijing by overreporting grain yields. And of course, for some bizarre reason, they followed Lyssenko's philosophy after it was a proven failure.

But droughts and floods also contributed to the problem.

Final point: Famine was a common occurrence in China before the modern age. 26 million people, for instance, died in the Qing famine of 1906.

 

[Hafar1014]

It was the Communist's fault that Trump completely fumbled the response to Covid?

Interesting. Because China did all the things that Trump refused to do, and they managed to contain the disease despite being the first country hit.

But let's look at your other silly numbers.

First, Stalin. Yes, the Ukrainian Famine was bad, but it was probably only about 3.5 million, and a lot of that was due to natural causes. Others were following bad ideas like Trophim Lyssenko's belief that if you plant crops closer together, you can increase yeilds. (This was in the days before modern nitrate fertilizers, when you had to rely on what the soil could actually support.)

As for China. Some of the CCP's actions contributed to the Great Famine. (which probably killed 15-30 million people) The policy of killing Sparrows under the "Four Pests" campaign caused the insect population to explode, for instance. Local officials tried to gain favor in Beijing by overreporting grain yields. And of course, for some bizarre reason, they followed Lyssenko's philosophy after it was a proven failure.

But droughts and floods also contributed to the problem.

Final point: Famine was a common occurrence in China before the modern age. 26 million people, for instance, died in the Qing famine of 1906.

Trump gave us the vaccine deaths went up after Biden took over.
Atheism on a national scale is oppression and murder.

 

[Quantrill]

Wait, now, you can't call your God the "Almighty" and then claim he couldn't have stopped the Holocaust.

Here's how God could have stopped the Holocaust.

November 9th, 1923. Instead of just hitting Hitler in the arm, a stray bullet gets him right between the eyes.

No Holocaust.

That was simple.

So if God is good, why did the Holocaust happen?

The holocaust happened because it served God's purpose. God's purpose was to have Israel back in the land and as a nation once again. The Jews were and still under the judicial act of God which scattered them throughout the world. So the holocaust was also an act of judgement.

You misunderstand everything about God. What God does is good. If he saves 3000 people, it is good. If he kills 3000 people, it is good. Who knows the total number of people God slew in the Flood? No one. In the millions no doubt. It was good because God did it.

Quantrill

 

[Meriweather]

Wait, now, you can't call your God the "Almighty" and then claim he couldn't have stopped the Holocaust.

Do you know why you cannot seek and find God? It is because the god you want does not exist. God is much greater than that, but you want something small and wan that you can control and direct.

 

[norwegen]

In Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, John of Patmos refers to a group in Smyrna and Philadelphia as a "synagogue of Satan" and as people who "say they are Jews and are not". These individuals are generally understood by scholars to be members of the local Jewish community who were actively persecuting or slandering the early Christian church.
Key insights on who John was referring to include:

• Non-Christian Jews: The most common interpretation is that they were ethnic Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah and, in doing so, were viewed by John as having forfeited their spiritual standing as "true" Jews, thus becoming agents of "Satan" (or "the Adversary") through their opposition.
• Persecutors of the Church: These groups are accused of slandering or informing on Christians to Roman authorities, which was a significant issue for the church in the first-century Roman world.

In the Bible, Jews reported only Jesus and Paul to Roman authorities, and did that after fabricating charges against them. The Romans found no fault in either man, but caved to Jewish pressure. Yes, the Jews did enjoy some political clout.

But by and large, Jews persecuted Christians of their own volition.

A "Synagogue of Satan": The term "synagogue" refers to the local congregation or assembly, not Jews as a whole. John uses this phrase to describe a community that he believes has fallen under the influence of the Devil due to their hostile actions.

On one hand, as some like Paul had believed that the Law – once glorious – had become a ministry of death being supplanted by a new covenant (2 Cor 3:6-8), perhaps all unconverted Jews were of the “Synagogue of Satan.”

On the other hand, I think that those whom John thought of as impostors did not include all Jews, but only those who persecuted their Christian counterparts and rebelled against the imperial city. These were the adversaries of God, i.e. the Satan. Their fathers persecuted and murdered the prophets, and the current crop of Pharisees, scribes, chief priests, and elders would do the same.

The believers in the assemblies of Asia Minor may have known who John of Patmos was referring to, and so the ambiguity that falls on everyone else, especially in the future, serves only to confirm that his audience was Jewish.

Contextual Interpretation: Some academic interpretations suggest John may have been referring to "Judaizing" Christians or Gentile God-fearers in Asia Minor who were claiming the status of "Jew" while not adhering strictly to the Torah, or specifically to those who compromised with Roman society (unlike John, who insisted on strict separation).

God-fearers never claimed to be Jewish except maybe in some vague sense that Jewish converts were beginning to accept them as partakers in their new Israel, the country liberated from the Jerusalem that still stood (Gal 4:25-26), i.e., the spiritual Israel descending from heaven (or coming from God).

The text is generally considered a local, first-century polemic rather than a universal condemnation of all Jewish people.

Now only if the buffoons in this thread would realize that, as I had already told them.



BTW, this is in response to AI, not to ding.

 

[norwegen]

How far do you want to go back?

All two, Abraham and Moses are referred to in the Bible as chosen. And received their orders by the "only true" God.
Moses is the "initiator" of claiming back some "promised" land. aka the "founder" of Israel.

Abraham is the only one who is "highlighted" as having established a formal covenant with God, with God later confirming it with the sign of circumcision. And had told him to go to Canaan.

Abraham is therefore the first Hebrew & founder of Judaism, who was promised to be the father of a great nation. As such the people living in Canaan were to be the seed that needed to be converted to this Judaism.

Around 600 years later Moses shows up with "his" Hebrew folks and claims the land that the descendants of Abraham occupy is his - since God promised him that particular land. Attacks them, devastates their land and cities and subdues them.

As such there must be a "significant" division between Hebrews stemming from Moses led folks and the initial Hebrew folks from Abraham's Canaan. The Egyptians around 1200 BC - destroyed this Moses initiated Israel - "All cities are destroyed, Israel doesn't exist anymore only their seed remains" So are the Abraham Hebrew's the ones who rise again and founded David&Solomon's Israel? or those invading Hebrews led by Moses rose up again? Or when did these two Hebrew clans become one, if at all?

Those Moses Hebrews danced around a golden calf - where they really Hebrews aka followers off the true Abraham Judaism?

Just asking.

We don’t have to go back far. But if we do, we know that even Moses expressed doubts about the character of Israel (Deut 32:19-20). Many passages in the Bible lament Israel’s disobedience. Even their neighbors deemed them rebellious and wicked, hurtful to kings and provinces (Ezr 4:11-16), as evidenced by the genocides they had committed in Canaan.

The only real division I see is between the Jews and their prophets, or the Jews and the remnant among them who abide only in their one God.

 

[norwegen]

One answer will be found in the books of Ezra & Nehemiah concerning the return of Judah to Jerusalem to rebuild the city. This occurs after or towards the end of the Babylonian captivity. Both Prophets were very angry or vexed knowing that the men of Judah had taken on non-Israelite wives from the peoples of Canaan, Egypt, and several others. But, as you mentioned, the Edomites (Idumeans who were genetically related to Jacob/Israel) also play a role.

Their account: Bible Gateway passage: Ezra 9-10, Nehemiah 1-2 - King James Version

So some modern Jews are admixtures of Canaanites, Edomites, Perizzites, Moabites, and others who intermarried with the men of Judah. While most modern Jews are direct descendants of the Khazars (Ashkenazi) who converted to Judaism in the 7th & 8th centuries, A.D.

So was Jesus speaking of people who existed at the time Revelation 2:9 & 3:9 were penned or are those verses prophetic and speaking of them "who call themselves Jews" today and who worship in synagogues? Possibly both but I lean towards the latter conclusion.

After two millennia of migration and intermarriage, no Jews are admixtures of any of those people anymore. And, again, this thread isn’t about them; it’s about the idolatrous genocidal people of the temple cult, the people who, up until John of Patmos, still had a temple.

And of course he wrote the Apocalypse to his contemporaries. He even explicitly said so.

Jesus placed the events of the Olivet Discourse within his own generation in the city of Jerusalem. The armies that encompassed Jerusalem, the destruction of the temple, apostasy and lawlessness, false messiahs and prophets, famines and earthquakes. All these things happened in his generation, and he had advised his followers to flee the city when they began to see these signs.

Revelation must be read in the context of a war that occurred while some of the disciples were still alive. And we know from several passages in the book – a 3½-year tribulation, a five-month siege on the temple, the flight of the Christians from the city, the two political powers (beasts) engaged in a life-and-death struggle, even the 100-pound hailstones, or ballista shot unearthed in Israel in 1962 (Rv 16:21), that Revelation is John’s account of that war.

It was a war that would spell the beginning of an end of an era, or age, as the text's authors called it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The holocaust happened because it served God's purpose. God's purpose was to have Israel back in the land and as a nation once again

Thank you. This is what I said in the past and caught holy hell for saying it was God's will because it was time to fulfill the prophecy.

Have you read, Uncomfortable Questions for Comfortable Jews?

 

[Hafar1014]

Thank you. This is what I said in the past and caught holy hell for saying it was God's will because it was time to fulfill the prophecy.

Have you read, Uncomfortable Questions for Comfortable Jews?

It was not Gods will thats a sick distorted belief. What was the purpose of the other 8 million killed who were not Jews.

 

[BackAgain]

Jews intimidate Christians because we reject their idol worship and have beccome the most successful culture in hisotry ahainst the worst oppression possible. Must be God protecting us. We dont need Jesus dont want him and your welcome to him

What you lack in literacy you make up for with dishonesty.

 

[SaxonJackson]

What you lack in literacy you make up for with dishonesty.

So you don't know. It's okay to admit it.

Bondi was required to release ALL the unredacted files by December of last year. Did she meet the lawful deadline or did she not. Be honest now.

 

[BackAgain]

So you don't know. It's okay to admit it.

Bondi was required to release ALL the unredacted files by December of last year. Did she meet the lawful deadline or did she not. Be honest now.

Wrong.

Try quoting what the law actually says.*

Seriously, being accurate could only help you.

I pardon your ignorance but call on you to rectify it.

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* See Public Law 119-38(c)

 

[Quantrill]

Thank you. This is what I said in the past and caught holy hell for saying it was God's will because it was time to fulfill the prophecy.

Have you read, Uncomfortable Questions for Comfortable Jews?

Quite welcome. Indeed, God's prophecy certainly plays a role.

No, I haven't read that, but will look into it.

I know that when God moves, He is never just accomplishing 'one thing'. Several, if not many things, are done in one move.

With Israel, the end times are at hand. They must be in the land promised. Time for them to get back to the land as a nation as God promised to Abraham. They were still under the judgement from God, which the holocaust was part of also.

Some might say, why didn't God send a prophet to tell them to get back to the land. But, what good would that do? They are still under the judgement from God. They would not listen to some so-called prophet from God. Just like they wouldn't listen to Jesus Christ, That Prophet Moses spake of. (Deut. 18:15-19)

The Jews were doing well in Europe prior to Hitler. They were not going to leave that and go to that pile of rocks in Palestine just to return to the land. It would take a Hitler and the holocaust to encourage them.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

What you lack in literacy you make up for with dishonesty.

Im completely honest and your making my point