Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[Kruska]

We don’t have to go back far. But if we do, we know that even Moses expressed doubts about the character of Israel (Deut 32:19-20). Many passages in the Bible lament Israel’s disobedience. Even their neighbors deemed them rebellious and wicked, hurtful to kings and provinces (Ezr 4:11-16), as evidenced by the genocides they had committed in Canaan.

The only real division I see is between the Jews and their prophets, or the Jews and the remnant among them who abide only in their one God.

Makes sense, so the last "divider" & prophet within the Hebrew community would be Maleachi, who is mentioned in both, the Tanach and the OT. His main critics were towards the Temple-cult, neglect of piety and towards divorcing.

Actually core-topics that Jews claimed where picked up by Jesus. (& Johan the Baptist?) Later transferred into the pillars of Christianity. AFAIK besides the (Roman Catholic Church) no other religion "condemns" (or used to) condemn divorce. Whereby Protestants would come in, in regards to criticizing Temple-cult, (in regards to the Roman Catholic Church-cult), but not condemning divorce.

As such the major divisions in Christianity base on the same main-topics of criticism, as those of the Hebrews. Surprising?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Quite welcome. Indeed, God's prophecy certainly plays a role.

No, I haven't read that, but will look into it.

I know that when God moves, He is never just accomplishing 'one thing'. Several, if not many things, are done in one move.

With Israel, the end times are at hand. They must be in the land promised. Time for them to get back to the land as a nation as God promised to Abraham. They were still under the judgement from God, which the holocaust was part of also.

Some might say, why didn't God send a prophet to tell them to get back to the land. But, what good would that do? They are still under the judgement from God. They would not listen to some so-called prophet from God. Just like they wouldn't listen to Jesus Christ, That Prophet Moses spake of. (Deut. 18:15-19)

The Jews were doing well in Europe prior to Hitler. They were not going to leave that and go to that pile of rocks in Palestine just to return to the land. It would take a Hitler and the holocaust to encourage them.

Quantrill

Uncomfortable Questions for Comfortable Jews, by Rabbi Meir Kahane speaks to this topic. It was addressed to Jews worldwide who felt comfortable as citizens in "foreign" lands. Pre Nazi Jews thought they were safe in Germany and throughout Europe, saying "we are German citizens' There were countless calls to return "home"
But they were too comfortable in foreign lands. They didn't hear the call so until the window of opportunity closed.

Those who urged them to return, were mocked and ridiculed and ignored. They were labeled "antisemite ". They should have heat God in their prophets. Kahane was one (in my opinion)

 

[JoeB131]

Trump gave us the vaccine deaths went up after Biden took over.
Atheism on a national scale is oppression and murder.

Trump failed to distribute the vaccines, and they went bad on the shelves. Biden had to start the process all over again.

Atheism is awesome.

Do you know why you cannot seek and find God? It is because the god you want does not exist. God is much greater than that, but you want something small and wan that you can control and direct.

Not at all. A God who lets the Holocaust happen is not worthy of anyone's respect.

 

[BreezeWood]

Not at all. A God who lets the Holocaust happen is not worthy of anyone's respect.

no doubt the heavens were in despair when christians voted hitler into power as again history repeats itself today and blessed by the jews of the type in this thread ...

Trump gave us the vaccine ...

the ship of fools, not murder rather who is the victim that matters.

 

[Meriweather]

Not at all. A God who lets the Holocaust happen is not worthy of anyone's respect.

It's our world. Try addressing mankind.

 

[JoeB131]

no doubt the heavens were in despair when christians voted hitler into power as again history repeats itself today and blessed by the jews of the type in this thread ...

why would the Heavens be upset? The Christian Church had been demonizing Jews for 1900 years at that point.

Inquistions, Pogroms, Blood Libels.

The Holocaust was just the final act in that play.

It's our world. Try addressing mankind.

So you hold God blameless for all the bad stuff and credit him with all the good.

Kind of like you do with Trump, but never mind.

 

[ding]

So you hold God blameless for all the bad stuff and credit him with all the good.

Who would you like to blame for all the bad stuff and who would you like to credit for all the good stuff?

 

[Quantrill]

Not at all. A God who lets the Holocaust happen is not worthy of anyone's respect.

You ain't seen nothing yet. "(Matt. 24:21) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

No need to just mock God for the holocaust. A greater holocaust is coming.

Quantrill

 

[Meriweather]

So you hold God blameless for all the bad stuff and credit him with all the good.

Kind of like you do with Trump, but never mind.

Grin. You enjoy being wrong about everything--must be fun in your world. As a child, you learned resentment and were basking in unfairness. I recognized there was much I do not know and that there is little understanding.

I never set up a courtroom in my own mind where I was the judge over anything. Perhaps I've spent too much time simply observing, studying, and researching?

There is a paradox: Nothing is as simple as it seems; and the simple is often ignored.

 

[Lisa558]

Grin. You enjoy being wrong about everything--must be fun in your world. As a child, you learned resentment and were basking in unfairness. I recognized there was much I do not know and that there is little understanding.

I never set up a courtroom in my own mind where I was the judge over anything. Perhaps I've spent too much time simply observing, studying, and researching?

There is a paradox: Nothing is as simple as it seems; and the simple is often ignored.

My observation is that antisemites, such as Joe and the others we see on this thread, are resentful of the success of Jews despite all the horrific persecution and oppression they’ve been subject to.

 

[JoeB131]

Who would you like to blame for all the bad stuff and who would you like to credit for all the good stuff?

Just ourselves.

 

[JoeB131]

My observation is that antisemites, such as Joe and the others we see on this thread, are resentful of the success of Jews despite all the horrific persecution and oppression they’ve been subject to.

Naw, I'm just resentful of your awful behavior.

Which you keep engaging in no matter how many people you piss off.

 

[Hafar1014]

Naw, I'm just resentful of your awful behavior.

Which you keep engaging in no matter how many people you piss off.

We intimidate the hell out of them no pun intended.

 

[JoeB131]

Grin. You enjoy being wrong about everything--must be fun in your world. As a child, you learned resentment and were basking in unfairness. I recognized there was much I do not know and that there is little understanding.

I never set up a courtroom in my own mind where I was the judge over anything. Perhaps I've spent too much time simply observing, studying, and researching?

There is a paradox: Nothing is as simple as it seems; and the simple is often ignored.

Uh, I think you spelled "Groveling" wrong.

George Carlin had it right.

 

[norwegen]

You ain't seen nothing yet. "(Matt. 24:21) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

No need to just mock God for the holocaust. A greater holocaust is coming.

Quantrill

And then Josephus confirmed what Jesus had foretold decades earlier of the misery to be visited upon Jerusalem and the wickedness of that generation:

That neither did any other city ever suffer such miseries, nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness that this was, from the beginning of the world. (Wars 5.10.5)​

Also after the fact, Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire” (Wars 6.4.5). The long sordid history of the temple people, as the prophets prophesied, came to an abrupt fiery finish.

Your fanciful imagination garbles the story.

 

[Meriweather]

My observation is that antisemites, such as Joe and the others we see on this thread, are resentful of the success of Jews despite all the horrific persecution and oppression they’ve been subject to.

I see insecurity over resentment, and with insecurity fear abounds. It may not be the success of Jews that is resented, but their confidence. The insecure lack confidence, and instead of trying to follow the teachings that bestows this confidence upon Jews, they seem to be of the mind that if confidence cannot be stolen from them and used, it can be taken away. And as you know, that has been tried continually over the millennia--without success.

 

[Meriweather]

Uh, I think you spelled "Groveling" wrong.

As already noted, you enjoy being wrong about everything, so there is no need to continue trying to convince me of this.

 

[JoeB131]

I see insecurity over resentment, and with insecurity fear abounds. It may not be the success of Jews that is resented, but their confidence. The insecure lack confidence, and instead of trying to follow the teachings that bestows this confidence upon Jews, they seem to be of the mind that if confidence cannot be stolen from them and used, it can be taken away. And as you know, that has been tried continually over the millennia--without success.

Grasping onto superstitions for centuries is not a good thing.

I'm very secure in my belief that there isn't an imaginary man in the sky.

As already noted, you enjoy being wrong about everything, so there is no need to continue trying to convince me of this.

You pass your backwards superstitions off as virtues while being part of a church that systematically abused children.

That's nothing to be proud of.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm very secure in my belief that there isn't an imaginary man in the sky.

I share that belief. Where we differ is a secure belief in a very real God who is everywhere.

 

[Meriweather]

You pass your backwards superstitions off as virtues while being part of a church that systematically abused children.

Which virtues do you consider superstitions?

Joe, you have a truly distorted sense of child abuse if you blame only one Church. The greatest offenders of child abuse occur within the family and family friends. There are offenders in every organization. Every. Yet the only one you attack is the Catholic Church as it is an extension of your attack on own warped, individual notion of God.

You seem to hold yourself blameless in many--if not all--things. You always have the right of it, don't you, and everyone else is totally wrong. Everyone.