Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[shimon]

No more self righteous and "proud" people as the Jews.
I can criticize Catholics, Protestants, JWa and Mormons but criticisms of the Jews who plotted to . murder the followers of Jesus Christ is "antisemitism".

If you really are children of Abraham you would not have a murderous heart. You do because you wont criticize murder unless it's your own.

Really… You have things backwards or opposite the Jews were murdered for two millennium by the followers of Christianity .. I have found the followers of Christianity arrogant and proud in their beliefs … Most Jews just want to be left alone we don’t push ourselves on anyone but Christian missionaries come to our doors of our homes… Place literature on our cars… Disturbus when we are sitting down in restaurants and accost us on the streets are you really that blind or are you playing at ignorance….

 

[Lisa558]

That is true, the old covenant was not evil, and it wasn't the better covenant.

But, the New Covenant was promised to Israel which would replace the Old Covenant.

(Jeremiah 31:31-32) "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:"

Then follows the promises of God that He will not cast off Israel forever. (Jer. 31:33-37)

That New Covenant was established upon the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ and the coming of the Holy Spirit. And we who are Christian, be we Jew or Gentile, come into that Covenant, and make up the Church of Jesus Christ.

But that New Covenant was/is for the nation of Israel. (Jer. 31:31) And God has promised that He will make it with them. (Jer. 31:33) At present, Israel, on the whole, rejects Jesus Christ and is under a judicial blindness from God. But there is a future day when God will lift that blindness. (Acts 3:19-26) (Rom. 11:1) (Rom. 11:25)

That day is marvelously pictured with Joseph and his brethren, which is not just a story but an actual event that really occurred. (Genesis 45:1-7) And on that day, all who make up the nation of Israel shall repent and be saved. (Rom. 11:26-28)

Quantrill

You speak from the Christian interpretation. Here is the Jewish interpretation, if you are interested:

Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant | Aish

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[Lisa558]

Christ is both human and divine. This is God's teaching. A Christian simply believes it:

John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

No, once again - that’s the Christian interpretation, and a verse from the Christian Bible.

You scold Jews as thinking they’re superior, and then you insist YOUR way is the only correct way - and screech and yell at those who believe differently, which by the way is the majority of the world.

 

[Lisa558]

Exactly. And to deny that Christ is divine is to deny Christ. According to Christ, if a person is not with Him then they're against him. "Against" means "anti." Easy peasy.

And to believe that a mortal man was a deity is to deny Gd, who said “I am ONE.”

So there, you anti-Gd person.

 

[Lisa558]

Nice try the gospels were anonymous at the beginning those names of Luke and Mathew were added later at a much later date people should look these things up for themselves and not take my word for it alone what you are doing is known as being an apologist for the facts that Jesus of the gospels was not anointed at all in the proper manner indeed is was opposite quite frankly I expect this of you as you have done this in the past but the ones who read this should look up the info that has been portrayed and draw their own conclusions..

The Gospels were written by men who wanted people to believe Jesus was Gd-personified, or son of Gd, of whatever. They focused their ire on Jews who would not abandon their religion, hence all the negativity toward Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

You should run for office --- as a Democrat. You've mastered the use of "buzz words."

Misogynist
Homophobe
Xenophobe
Antisemite
Racist
Sexist
Bigot
Extremist
Transphobe

Old, boring, tired, worn out, and completely overused.

YOU should run as a Democrat: you attack and demonize anyone who doesn’t believe as you do.

 

[Lisa558]

I have not quarrel if you wish to update the meaning of the allegory. However, the original author of the Jonah story was addressing his own audience as he had something to say to them. That meaning, too, is worth preserving.

This is true, and I’m going to agree with you. The story of Jonah was way before Jesus’ time and was thus geared to a Jewish audience.

 

[shimon]

The Gospels were written by men who wanted people to believe Jesus was Gd-personified, or son of Gd, of whatever. They focused their ire on Jews who would not abandon their religion, hence all the negativity toward Jews.

I understand what you are conveying but it deeper then that…As long as jewishpeople are still around then the lies being portrayed in the gospels could be exposed… If you repeat a lie no matter how big it is eventually it becomes the truth… By the Jews still exsisting then the followers of Christianity who pushed their replacement theories and teachings were vulnerable that is why the Jews were persecuted and scattered and without power because if given a platform to speak and correct errounous views and assumptions their whole house of cards would collapse and fail… That is why even today we are being thwarted on all sides esp about rebuilding a temple that we could use to teach the proper concepts as a house of learning to straighten the crooked paths … That is why Mount Moriah where the temple will be built means literally to teach…We are supposed to be a light to the nations… Light meaning truth and knowledge… Henceit is to shine forth and correct the gross darkness(lies and follies) that currently cover the whole earth…Itis hard to be a light when you are constantly thwarted and attacked from all sides because of their fear of being exposed…

 

[SaxonJackson]

YOU should run as a Democrat: you attack and demonize anyone who doesn’t believe as you do.

Did you just hear yourself? You just described your own modus operandi.

 

[SaxonJackson]

And to believe that a mortal man was a deity is to deny Gd, who said “I am ONE.”

So there, you anti-Gd person.

Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. Jesus is 100% flesh man. Christ is 100% divine God. Jesus Christ is 100% God in the flesh.

 

[Meriweather]

Christ is both human and divine. This is God's teaching. A Christian simply believes it:

John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

In Jesus time, Jews talked much about the way in which men must walk and the ways of God.

• God said to Moses: "You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. You shall walk in all the ways which the Lord your God has commanded you" (Deuteronomy 5:32-33).
• Moses said to the people: "I know that after my death you will surely act corruptly, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you" (Deuteronomy 31:29).
• Isaiah 30 "Your ears shall hear a word behind you saying, This is the way, walk in it"
• Isaiah 35:8: A highway will be there, called the holy way; No one unclean may pass over it, but it will be for his people; no traveler, not even fools, shall go astray on it.
• Psalm 27 "Teach me your way, O Lord".

These teachings, in Judaism, were intended for this life. The afterlife, sometimes, was spoke of as being in the bosom of Abraham. Some did not believe in an afterlife. Even today, modern Jewish belief does not dwell on the afterlife. Possibly, it is like how Eden is described. Jesus description of the afterlife differs.

Shortly before he was to be crucified, Jesus was talking about going to the Father, going to prepare a place for them. Thomas, mystified, said they didn't know the way. Jews knew all about the way, the truth, the life. This would have been familiar to Thomas, and Jesus started his explanation with this. Jews were familiar with walking in the ways of God, but the Way to God was mystifying Thomas. Now, if one wants to come to the Father, one continues on the way of which they are already familiar, but add Jesus' way of the cross: Follow Jesus on that way to come to the Father.

 

[Meriweather]

Exactly. And to deny that Christ is divine is to deny Christ. According to Christ, if a person is not with Him then they're against him. "Against" means "anti." Easy peasy.

What is easy is that message is for the followers of Christ. In context, it was never intended to bind those of other faiths.

 

[SaxonJackson]

No, once again - that’s the Christian interpretation, and a verse from the Christian Bible.

You scold Jews as thinking they’re superior, and then you insist YOUR way is the only correct way - and screech and yell at those who believe differently, which by the way is the majority of the world.

You reject Christ's divinity which makes you anti-Christ. Just accept it. If you even believed in the Prophecies of the Old Testament then you'd know the truth:

Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

 

[Lisa558]

I understand what you are conveying but it deeper then that…As long as jewishpeople are still around then the lies being portrayed in the gospels could be exposed… If you repeat a lie no matter how big it is eventually it becomes the truth… By the Jews still exsisting then the followers of Christianity who pushed their replacement theories and teachings were vulnerable that is why the Jews were persecuted and scattered and without power because if given a platform to speak and correct errounous views and assumptions their whole house of cards would collapse and fail… That is why even today we are being thwarted on all sides esp about rebuilding a temple that we could use to teach the proper concepts as a house of learning to straighten the crooked paths … That is why Mount Moriah where the temple will be built means literally to teach…We are supposed to be a light to the nations… Light meaning truth and knowledge… Henceit is to shine forth and correct the gross darkness(lies and follies) that currently cover the whole earth…Itis hard to be a light when you are constantly thwarted and attacked from all sides because of their fear of being exposed…

Yes, and that is what we were chosen for: to be a light to all nations.

This contempt and hate from Evangelical Christians is nothing new. When I was in college, I took a course on the New Testament. (I thought it would be interesting to learn what the majority of Americans had been taught.)

I was shocked by some of the anti-Jew verses, but oh well. I completed the course. I was given the WORST grade in the class. (Me…a straight-A student otherwise, ultimately elected to Phi Beta Kappa.) I appealed the grade, and during the hearing (which consisted of three other professors along with the antisemite), the people on the panel reviewed my work and said it was A quality. At that point, the antisemitic Christian bellowed out, “BUT THIS GIRL DOESN’T BELIEVE IN THE GOSPELS!”

Yes, that is how hateful some of these Christians are.

 

[Hafar1014]

I understand what you are conveying but it deeper then that…As long as jewishpeople are still around then the lies being portrayed in the gospels could be exposed… If you repeat a lie no matter how big it is eventually it becomes the truth… By the Jews still exsisting then the followers of Christianity who pushed their replacement theories and teachings were vulnerable that is why the Jews were persecuted and scattered and without power because if given a platform to speak and correct errounous views and assumptions their whole house of cards would collapse and fail… That is why even today we are being thwarted on all sides esp about rebuilding a temple that we could use to teach the proper concepts as a house of learning to straighten the crooked paths … That is why Mount Moriah where the temple will be built means literally to teach…We are supposed to be a light to the nations… Light meaning truth and knowledge… Henceit is to shine forth and correct the gross darkness(lies and follies) that currently cover the whole earth…Itis hard to be a light when you are constantly thwarted and attacked from all sides because of their fear of being exposed…

Jews were persecuted because we know there is no original sin in Genesis which means there was never a reason for Jesus to exist as a god. Hes an idol

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yes, and that is what we were chosen for: to be a light to all nations.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Is that why the IDF bombs 100,000 unarmed women and kids. LOL. What a clown show. The only "light" you folks produce are the reflections of bursting bombs.

 

[Lisa558]

What is easy is that message is for the followers of Christ. In context, it was never intended to bind those of other faiths.

Thank you.

I would argue that Judaism has a more tolerant view of other faiths. We teach the Noahide laws - allowing that those who are NOT Jewish can still earn their way to Heaven.

This insistence by SOME Christians that only they get to Heaven leads to a sense of contempt - and even hate - for those who believe differently. You see examples right on this thread.

I am glad you are participating here, showing that not all Christians are like that.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Really… You have things backwards or opposite the Jews were murdered for two millennium by the followers of Christianity

Catholicism. They are pseudoChristian/pagan.

True Christians don't murder.
Neither do true children of Abraham murder Christians which is the THREAD TOPIC.

Do you support the murder of Jesus?
Would you have shouted, "Barabbas!"

 

[Lisa558]

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Is that why the IDF bombs 100,000 unarmed women and kids. LOL. What a clown show. The only "light" you folks produce are the reflections of bursting bombs.

^^^ and this lie shows the connection between being antisemitic and anti-Israel.

 

[SaxonJackson]

What is easy is that message is for the followers of Christ. In context, it was never intended to bind those of other faiths.

You're just filled with false doctrine these days. Do you really believe that there are multiple ways to enter God's Kingdom? Is Christ the only Door to the Kingdom or is He not?