Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[JoeB131]

You should run for office --- as a Democrat. You've mastered the use of "buzz words."

Misogynist
Homophobe
Xenophobe
Antisemite
Racist
Sexist
Bigot
Extremist
Transphobe

Old, boring, tired, worn out, and completely overused.

Naw, Lisa is perfectly fine with racism, xenophobia, transphobia, homophobia.

It's just when someone criticizes her religion that she starts screaming "Anti-Semite" like a stuck pig.

 

[JoeB131]

Shrug. Research and study supports true doctrine. I believe (as the Gospels teach) the Kingdom of God is within the reach of everyone living. Our choices here give us a glimpse of who is entering the Kingdom. As in Sirach (and a few other places), what are we choosing, for what we choose will be given to us. Are we choosing fire or water? Are we choosing good or evil? Most of all, are we choosing love of others or disdain? When we die, we see our own heart, see what we have chosen and God's judgment will be both just and merciful.

Meh, not really. Your God seems to be more concerned with who grovels in front of him than who treats others decently.

Seriously, without Christ, I doubt I would have ever chosen to enter the door to the Kingdom. It is Christ who has dropped me into the lap of the Father. I depend on the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And I am human, often lost, always fallible. That is why I do so much research, so much study. It is why I search for context, history, cultural anthropology, and etymology. I do not go with what I think the original authors said. I go with years of research.

Yet, you are for the mass deportation of immigrants, despite what your bible says.

It is also why I object to your portrayal of Christ. You have several (if not all) Jews here seeing Jesus as some sort of monster whose sole purpose is to herd them into a tortured afterlife. That is not God's plan for anyone--and much less for those of the Jewish faith. You know that--or should know it.

Yet according to your own bible, most people ARE going to hell.

 

[JoeB131]

The Gospels were written by men who wanted people to believe Jesus was Gd-personified, or son of Gd, of whatever. They focused their ire on Jews who would not abandon their religion, hence all the negativity toward Jews.

Well, that and they totally killed Jesus.
And they cooperated with the Muslim occupiers of Spain.
And they collected Taxes for the Tsar.
And they conspired to overthrow the Kaiser at the end of World War I.
And they charged the goyim criminal interest rates.

But you do have a point, they really are hostile because you didn't accept their God Man. Until Vatican II, when they all decided we want to sit down at that interfaith pancake breakfast, and pretend they all aren't sneering at each other "You're going to hell while I'm going to heaven!!!"

Ah, for the happy day when humans outgrow the need for Sky Pixies.

 

[JoeB131]

There are MILLIONS of people who have been murdered unjustly. I am opposed to all of them.

You are making more of a fuss over the killing of ONE Jew 2,000 years ago than the killing of 6 million Jews 80 years ago.

70 million people died 80 years ago.
You are the only ones still whining about it.

And using it as an excuse for bad behavior.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This is a thread Jews shouldn't even be participating in. Do you see how their defensiveness gutted the thread?

The thread is asking about the meaning of a passage in REVELATION and JEWS, who REJECT THE NEW TESTAMENT, decide to dismantle the thread

Yes, I believe the contentious Jews participating in this thread are "real Jews.*. I see no difference between your behavior here today as your argumentive, self righteous behaviour in Jesus' day.

 

[Quantrill]

You speak from the Christian interpretation. Here is the Jewish interpretation, if you are interested:

Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant | Aish

aish.com

Yes I am interested. I didn't click on the link you gave in your reply. I did log off here and googled it myself. The article that surfaced is by David Rosenfeld, if that is the correct one you are addressing.

If it is the one, I had no problems with most of what he said, though much more could have been said. The problem I did have comes in the next to the last paragraph.

There he states that "The new covenant did not abrogate the original one to keep the Torah..." By 'original I believe he is speaking of the Mosaic Covenant. And he says, "...this renewal of the covenant..."

This I disagree with. The New Covenant was/is not a 'renewal' of the Old Covenant. Else it would not be a New Covenant. And (Jeremiah 31:32) is clear. "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers..."

Quantrill

 

[Carl in Michigan]

There he states that "The new covenant did not abrogate the original one to keep the Torah..." By 'original I believe he is speaking of the Mosaic Covenant. And he says

I was going to say I agree with what he said, and for the most part I do. But your point is correct. Ours (the Church is a NEW covenant)

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes I am interested. I didn't click on the link you gave in your reply. I did log off here and googled it myself. The article that surfaced is by David Rosenfeld, if that is the correct one you are addressing.

If it is the one, I had no problems with most of what he said, though much more could have been said. The problem I did have comes in the next to the last paragraph.

There he states that "The new covenant did not abrogate the original one to keep the Torah..." By 'original I believe he is speaking of the Mosaic Covenant. And he says, "...this renewal of the covenant..."

This I disagree with. The New Covenant was/is not a 'renewal' of the Old Covenant. Else it would not be a New Covenant. And (Jeremiah 31:32) is clear. "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers..."

Quantrill

Some Christians try to negate Jewish history because we intimidate them. We refuse to believe in Jesus and are the most successful culture in human history against the worst opposition ever inflicted on a people. Doesnt that prove something. Maybe we are right and they have it wrong. Ironically they worship a Jew. Go figure, goyim

 

[Quantrill]

I was going to say I agree with what he said, and for the most part I do. But your point is correct. Ours (the Church is a NEW covenant)

Yes, we the Church come into the New Covenant. But in (Jeremiah) the Church is unknown. Not to God, but to Israel and Jeremiah. And the New Covenant is promised there to Israel, a promise which God shall keep.

Quantrill

 

[Meriweather]

Meh, not really. Your God seems to be more concerned with who grovels in front of him than who treats others decently.

First step: Know God. Don't rely on "seems".

Yet, you are for the mass deportation of immigrants, despite what your bible says.

I have no issues with mass deportation of immigrants who have committed crimes either here or elsewhere. Remember Jesus saying those who do not enter the proper gate are liars and thieves. Worse, some are sex traffickers of both women and children.

Yet according to your own bible, most people ARE going to hell.

That's one of the issues of free will. People are given what they choose. God wants all to choose him and his ways. According to you, the majority are choosing an eternity without God--they see that "hell" as their heaven.

 

[BreezeWood]

According to Christ, if a person is not with Him then they're against him. "Against" means "anti." Easy peasy.

prove jesus ever claimed either of your 4th century lies, they must be followed or who does not follow them are their enemy in anything left by them in written hand or etching - your claim is no different than the judaism fallacies made for their own benefit.

as well that jesus ever claimed to be a heavenly messiah. found anywhere than the 4th century christian bible without a shred of evidence.

 

[Lisa558]

This is a thread Jews shouldn't even be participating in. Do you see how their defensiveness gutted the thread?

The thread is asking about the meaning of a passage in REVELATION and JEWS, who REJECT THE NEW TESTAMENT, decide to dismantle the thread

Yes, I believe the contentious Jews participating in this thread are "real Jews.*. I see no difference between your behavior here today as your argumentive, self righteous behaviour in Jesus' day.

Wow! So Jews should not participate in a thread about “Who are really Jews?” CHRISTIANS get to decide that? Based on what it says in the anti-Jew New Testament?

Talk about self-righteous behavior! Who are YOU to tell Jews who are real Jews or who are not?

I bet if Jews started a thread on who the real Christians are, you’d be over there shitting a brick.

 

[BreezeWood]

And to believe that a mortal man was a deity is to deny Gd, who said “I am ONE.”

true monotheism, all in the heavens are equal as is equated by your quote proves the insignificance of abraham and their fallacious claims.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Gospels were written by men who wanted people to believe Jesus was Gd-personified, or son of Gd, of whatever. They focused their ire on Jews who would not abandon their religion, hence all the negativity toward Jews.

true ... 4th century christian bible - nothing to do with the 1st century events repudiation of judaism, false commandments et al stone throwing jews.

They focused their ire on Jews who would not abandon their religion ...

they focused on the jews, their silver coins for murdering jesus for which they have no remorse and are yet to be brought to justice.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes, and that is what we were chosen for: to be a light to all nations.

mission accomplished ...

how jews made themselves recognized world wide - genocidal, land gabbing zealots.

 

[Lisa558]

prove jesus ever claimed either of your 4th century lies, they must be followed or who does not follow them are their enemy in anything left by them in written hand or etching - your claim is no different than the judaism fallacies made for their own benefit.

as well that jesus ever claimed to be a heavenly messiah. found anywhere than the 4th century christian bible without a shred of evidence.

You actually hit on a point that I’ve been reluctant to bring up, given that it would be disrespectful to Christians, but given how they’ve screamed “you lying anti-Christ!” and other nasty things, I’m going ahead:

Christians use, as “proof,” that Jesus said you must believe in him to get to heaven. I’ve had this thrown in my face by Christians numerous times: They say, “well, you know that Jesus said the only way to the Father is through the son.” As if that proves anything.

I usually let their smack in the face against me drop, because I’m too polite, but here’s the truth: How do we KNOW Jesus said that?! Because some gospel writers claim he did?

The fact of the matter is that no practicing Jew, either then or now, would claim to be Gd’s son, or a deity, or Gd personified, or whatever.

 

[Lisa558]

true ... 4th century christian bible - nothing to do with the 1st century events repudiation of judaism, false commandments et al stone throwing jews.



they focused on the jews, their silver coins for murdering jesus for which they have no remorse and are yet to be brought to justice.

And yes, I know you’re antisemitic too - here you are, claiming that “we” haven’t been brought to justice. I had nothing to do with what happened 2,000 years ago, just as Jews of 1,500 years ago didn’t, or 1,000 years ago, or 500 years ago, or 100 years ago, or last year.

In fact, 99.999% of the Jews alive when Jesus were killed had nothing to do with it either, and never even HEARD of the guy.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jews were persecuted because we know there is no original sin in Genesis which means there was never a reason for Jesus to exist as a god. Hes an idol

what jesus said to the jews during their trial ... hereditary idolatry is the basis for abraham, the reason jews worship him.

 

[BreezeWood]

Hate for Jews is now political and coming from the left

no, what you describe is new and comes from the jews themselves as attested throughout this thread - they have no remorse for their crimes and claim the heaves as their own and provider. lots of luck in your beliefs you are not alone.

 

[JoeB131]

First step: Know God. Don't rely on "seems".

Would this be the God who sends She-Bears to maul children, or the God who demands a man butcher his daughter because he made a foolish oath?

I have no issues with mass deportation of immigrants who have committed crimes either here or elsewhere. Remember Jesus saying those who do not enter the proper gate are liars and thieves. Worse, some are sex traffickers of both women and children.

Except the vast majority of undocumented immigrants haven't done anything like that.

That's one of the issues of free will. People are given what they choose. God wants all to choose him and his ways. According to you, the majority are choosing an eternity without God--they see that "hell" as their heaven.

That kind of makes God sound awful. "I'm going to send you to hell for making the wrong choices, even though the circumstances were dire."