Who is responsible for the crisis at our S. Border?

[bendog]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

I think the people in the caravans are responsible, because that's the only "crisis." And Obama had a "crisis" with unaccompanied minors at one time too.

That said, Trump's political use of the immigration issue (legal too) is just making it harder to eventually find a bipartisan compromise solution to making it nigh impossible for illegal immigrants to find work and housing here. And we need to make it harder for illegal aliens to have children here.

 

[bendog]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Both parties. Only one party currently says that they have an issue with an unsecure border, but that party just lost power and had two years to start building a wall and failed.

No, I'd say that both parties are getting their pockets filled from drug lords and human traffickers to keep the border open.

Do you believe a wall will keep anyone out? Ever seen the tunnels built, see here:

Google
q=Photos+of+tunnels+crossing+our+border+with+mexico&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS823US823&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ87XkzvfeAhUCJXwKHZO8BncQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1024&bih=626

Some examples:

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This is NO reason not to build a wall.

Like laws, walls are not full proof, but without them, there is more lawlessness.

Well there is a reason not to. it's called private property and not letting the govt take it. And there's the practical problem caused by private property. In the end it would take decades to get right of ways and avoid natural physical barriers to building a wall. In the end, you'd have some Americans' property on the wrong side fo the wall.

 

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Globalists. Tyrants who hate America and want us brought low.

 

[danielpalos]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Both parties. Only one party currently says that they have an issue with an unsecure border, but that party just lost power and had two years to start building a wall and failed.

No, I'd say that both parties are getting their pockets filled from drug lords and human traffickers to keep the border open.

Do you believe a wall will keep anyone out? Ever seen the tunnels built, see here:

Google
q=Photos+of+tunnels+crossing+our+border+with+mexico&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS823US823&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ87XkzvfeAhUCJXwKHZO8BncQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1024&bih=626

Some examples:

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Under water

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This is NO reason not to build a wall.

Like laws, walls are not full proof, but without them, there is more lawlessness.

capitalism is of no use to the right wing?

 

[DJT for Life]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Simple...every elected official between the early 70s and now.

Oh, and all of us who let our elected official ignore the problem so we could have cheap produce.

This is a problem 5 decades in the making and we are all responsible.

I'd agree with that.

What makes it worst is we could continue to have cheap produce, and
control immigration better by doing the things that were done 50 or 60
years ago.

There are three seasons when oranges are harvested. I know of one
former company that will bring in illegals (Haitians) and house them
3 times a year. They had two barracks for them to live in about 200
yards off of Hwy 27 south of Clermont. That's where they would stay
during the picking seasons. They didn't bring their families or anything
like that. Nor could they roam the country freely. The Company provided
a General Store for them for their odds and ends.

They came here to work and that was it. When the season ended they
were shipped back. You just have to have legislation that exempts them
from minimum wage. The good workers always exceeded the minimum
wage limit anyway and the bad workers were hustled out very quickly.

That could be done today if anybody wanted to work on it and forget
the PC garbage or how it will read in the newspapers.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Both parties. Only one party currently says that they have an issue with an unsecure border, but that party just lost power and had two years to start building a wall and failed.

No, I'd say that both parties are getting their pockets filled from drug lords and human traffickers to keep the border open.

Do you believe a wall will keep anyone out? Ever seen the tunnels built, see here:

Google
q=Photos+of+tunnels+crossing+our+border+with+mexico&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS823US823&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ87XkzvfeAhUCJXwKHZO8BncQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1024&bih=626

Some examples:

View attachment 231363

View attachment 231364
Under water

View attachment 231367

This is NO reason not to build a wall.

Like laws, walls are not full proof, but without them, there is more lawlessness.

BULLSHIT It begins with diplomacy, not calling out Mexicans as murderers and rapists and using the anchor baby as a pejorative and a scapegoat. Grow up Votto, nothing Trump has done has mitigated a damn thing. He has exacerbated every issue and blamed others for what goes wrong.

People like you, hear what you want to hear, and most of what trump says or tweets are negative, hateful and irrational. You can continue to defend Trump and Trumpism but don't ever try to convince anyone but another biddable fool that Trump will make America anything more than a banana republic.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Simple...every elected official between the early 70s and now.

Oh, and all of us who let our elected official ignore the problem so we could have cheap produce.

This is a problem 5 decades in the making and we are all responsible.

I'd agree with that.

What makes it worst is we could continue to have cheap produce, and
control immigration better by doing the things that were done 50 or 60
years ago.

There are three seasons when oranges are harvested. I know of one
former company that will bring in illegals (Haitians) and house them
3 times a year. They had two barracks for them to live in about 200
yards off of Hwy 27 south of Clermont. That's where they would stay
during the picking seasons. They didn't bring their families or anything
like that. Nor could they roam the country freely. The Company provided
a General Store for them for their odds and ends.

They came here to work and that was it. When the season ended they
were shipped back. You just have to have legislation that exempts them
from minimum wage. The good workers always exceeded the minimum
wage limit anyway and the bad workers were hustled out very quickly.

That could be done today if anybody wanted to work on it and forget
the PC garbage or how it will read in the newspapers.

Food for thought:

Sixteen Tons
Johnny Cash
Some people say a man is made out of mud
A poor man's made out of muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that's a-weak and a back that's strong
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
Raised in the Canebrake by an old mama lion
Ain't no a high-toned woman make me walk the line
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
If you see me comin', better step aside
A lot of men didn't, and a lot of men died
With one fist of iron, and the other of steel
If the right one don't get you then the left one will
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

 

[TheDude]

The left in order to build division, gather votes, and destroy US culture and tradition toward the goal of one world order. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Here's something to hang your hat on. Despite fake news this caravan is made up of primarily young men, and a good portion of them criminals. Consider their own women, children and elderly could not count on these men for support.

 

[danielpalos]

Entry into the Union is a federal obligation since 1808. We should be upgrading Ellis Island.

 

[jc456]

The invaders.

 

[danielpalos]

The invaders.

a potential market using capitalism. only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The left in order to build division, gather votes, and destroy US culture and tradition toward the goal of one world order. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Here's something to hang your hat on. Despite fake news this caravan is made up of primarily young men, and a good portion of them criminals. Consider their own women, children and elderly could not count on these men for support.

I suppose it is simple to you Simon. Look up the word "biddable" and how the demagogue and charlatan-in-Chief has convinced you of fake facts.

 

[TheDude]

The left in order to build division, gather votes, and destroy US culture and tradition toward the goal of one world order. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Here's something to hang your hat on. Despite fake news this caravan is made up of primarily young men, and a good portion of them criminals. Consider their own women, children and elderly could not count on these men for support.

I suppose it is simple to you Simon. Look up the word "biddable" and how the demagogue and charlatan-in-Chief has convinced you of fake facts.

Wait.......I stated a FACT the progressives feature fake news, and your response is it's Trump who is dishonest? Looks like projection to me.

 

[my2¢]

My vote was cast Republican because they're the ones seeing it as a crisis.

 

[danielpalos]

This is what we should be doing:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[danielpalos]

Let's upgrade Ellis Island to relieve pressure on our southern border.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The left in order to build division, gather votes, and destroy US culture and tradition toward the goal of one world order. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Here's something to hang your hat on. Despite fake news this caravan is made up of primarily young men, and a good portion of them criminals. Consider their own women, children and elderly could not count on these men for support.

I suppose it is simple to you Simon. Look up the word "biddable" and how the demagogue and charlatan-in-Chief has convinced you of fake facts.

Wait.......I stated a FACT the progressives feature fake news, and your response is it's Trump who is dishonest? Looks like projection to me.

I suppose you need to retake and this time pass bone head psychology.

 

[DJT for Life]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Simple...every elected official between the early 70s and now.

Oh, and all of us who let our elected official ignore the problem so we could have cheap produce.

This is a problem 5 decades in the making and we are all responsible.

I'd agree with that.

What makes it worst is we could continue to have cheap produce, and
control immigration better by doing the things that were done 50 or 60
years ago.

There are three seasons when oranges are harvested. I know of one
former company that will bring in illegals (Haitians) and house them
3 times a year. They had two barracks for them to live in about 200
yards off of Hwy 27 south of Clermont. That's where they would stay
during the picking seasons. They didn't bring their families or anything
like that. Nor could they roam the country freely. The Company provided
a General Store for them for their odds and ends.

They came here to work and that was it. When the season ended they
were shipped back. You just have to have legislation that exempts them
from minimum wage. The good workers always exceeded the minimum
wage limit anyway and the bad workers were hustled out very quickly.

That could be done today if anybody wanted to work on it and forget
the PC garbage or how it will read in the newspapers.

Food for thought:

Sixteen Tons
Johnny Cash
Some people say a man is made out of mud
A poor man's made out of muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that's a-weak and a back that's strong
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
Raised in the Canebrake by an old mama lion
Ain't no a high-toned woman make me walk the line
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
If you see me comin', better step aside
A lot of men didn't, and a lot of men died
With one fist of iron, and the other of steel
If the right one don't get you then the left one will
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Tennessee Ernie Ford

 

[Wry Catcher]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Simple...every elected official between the early 70s and now.

Oh, and all of us who let our elected official ignore the problem so we could have cheap produce.

This is a problem 5 decades in the making and we are all responsible.

I'd agree with that.

What makes it worst is we could continue to have cheap produce, and
control immigration better by doing the things that were done 50 or 60
years ago.

There are three seasons when oranges are harvested. I know of one
former company that will bring in illegals (Haitians) and house them
3 times a year. They had two barracks for them to live in about 200
yards off of Hwy 27 south of Clermont. That's where they would stay
during the picking seasons. They didn't bring their families or anything
like that. Nor could they roam the country freely. The Company provided
a General Store for them for their odds and ends.

They came here to work and that was it. When the season ended they
were shipped back. You just have to have legislation that exempts them
from minimum wage. The good workers always exceeded the minimum
wage limit anyway and the bad workers were hustled out very quickly.

That could be done today if anybody wanted to work on it and forget
the PC garbage or how it will read in the newspapers.

Food for thought:

Sixteen Tons
Johnny Cash
Some people say a man is made out of mud
A poor man's made out of muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that's a-weak and a back that's strong
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
Raised in the Canebrake by an old mama lion
Ain't no a high-toned woman make me walk the line
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
If you see me comin', better step aside
A lot of men didn't, and a lot of men died
With one fist of iron, and the other of steel
If the right one don't get you then the left one will
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Tennessee Ernie Ford

I saw Tennessee Ernie Ford at The Lucky, a PGA pro-am played at Harding Golf Course in San Francisco when I was in High School. My mom was a member of the ladies club, and she was working behind the 18th Green collecting the score cards.

I remember him fondly, he was getting ready to putt on the 18th Green when a bird in a tree started chirping. He pantomimed anger, slowly moved from his putting stance into raising his putter to his shoulder as one would with a shotgun. The bird stopped, and he once again addressed the ball, and once again the bird began to sing again. This went on a couple of times and the normal silence of the fans watching from a distance began to laugh out loud.

 

[DJT for Life]

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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

House Republicans Vote to Block Obama on Immigration - The Atlantic

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

Simple...every elected official between the early 70s and now.

Oh, and all of us who let our elected official ignore the problem so we could have cheap produce.

This is a problem 5 decades in the making and we are all responsible.

I'd agree with that.

What makes it worst is we could continue to have cheap produce, and
control immigration better by doing the things that were done 50 or 60
years ago.

There are three seasons when oranges are harvested. I know of one
former company that will bring in illegals (Haitians) and house them
3 times a year. They had two barracks for them to live in about 200
yards off of Hwy 27 south of Clermont. That's where they would stay
during the picking seasons. They didn't bring their families or anything
like that. Nor could they roam the country freely. The Company provided
a General Store for them for their odds and ends.

They came here to work and that was it. When the season ended they
were shipped back. You just have to have legislation that exempts them
from minimum wage. The good workers always exceeded the minimum
wage limit anyway and the bad workers were hustled out very quickly.

That could be done today if anybody wanted to work on it and forget
the PC garbage or how it will read in the newspapers.

Food for thought:

Sixteen Tons
Johnny Cash
Some people say a man is made out of mud
A poor man's made out of muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that's a-weak and a back that's strong
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
Raised in the Canebrake by an old mama lion
Ain't no a high-toned woman make me walk the line
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
If you see me comin', better step aside
A lot of men didn't, and a lot of men died
With one fist of iron, and the other of steel
If the right one don't get you then the left one will
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Tennessee Ernie Ford

I saw Tennessee Ernie Ford at The Lucky, a PGA pro-am played at Harding Golf Course in San Francisco when I was in High School. My mom was a member of the ladies club, and she was working behind the 18th Green collecting the score cards.

I remember him fondly, he was getting ready to putt on the 18th Green when a bird in a tree started chirping. He pantomimed anger, slowly moved from his putting stance into raising his putter to his should as one would with a shotgun. The bird stopped, and he once again addressed the ball, and once again the bird began to sing again. This went on a couple of times and the normal silence of the fans watching from a distance began to laugh out loud.

His appearance as Cousin Lucy on the old "I Love Lucy" show is a classic